Author Topic: John Vennari on the Doctrinal Preamble (Read 10088 times)

Charles · « **Reply #25 on:** September 21, 2011, 10:59:33 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Everything that Archbishop Lefebvre worked for will be under the control of modernists.

Well, that is true. Are the modernists as much in control today as they were when JPII was still alive ? Or has modernism poisoned so many of the clergy it doesn't matter ?

And just to speculate......

Last time Rome made an offer, it was more an ultimatum and the Society said no. What happens if they say no this time ? A schism declared ?

Also, what if they sign, and then for whatever reason see it as a mistake, and pull back out ? Is that even possible ? I haven't seen that scenario discussed.

John Grace · « **Reply #26 on:** September 22, 2011, 10:39:41 AM »

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PereJoseph · « **Reply #27 on:** September 22, 2011, 11:25:08 AM »

Who knows, maybe the unpleasant fact that the only way to join Rome is to sell one's soul through doctrinal compromise in exchange for the world having a higher opinion of the Society is what is necessary for the wool to be removed from Bishop Fellay's eyes ? Archbishop Lefebvre saw more clearly in a smilar dilemma, when Rome set the perametres of the fight out for him and he realised they were uninterested in the Catholic Faith. I wouldn't count on it, but at least we know that Bishop Fellay must feel quite a burden in making this decision, since the situation is the fruit of his labour and efforts over the past few years -- rotten fruit, as we all hope he sees.

Wessex · « **Reply #28 on:** September 23, 2011, 04:18:15 PM »

There is no point in making an agreement if feel you can not carry most of the faithful with you. You would sound out your hand-picked superiors as to the thoughts of their priests and parishioners on the subject of doing a deal. The strength of reaction to a number of issues including Bp. Williamson, criticism of Rome, censorship and litigation has already neen tested and maybe the leadership now feels the bulk of the Society is ripe for a deal if Rome can prepare an easy passage.

Caminus · « **Reply #29 on:** September 23, 2011, 04:41:23 PM »

Three observations, Tele wouldn't last two days in any religious order (nor would Matthew apparently), there seems to be an amazing ability among some to mind-read (while not surprisingly the most "evil" thoughts are read, interpreted and broadcast) and finally the subjective intentions of individuals do not affect objective reality. Let's face it, it's not a lack of trust in Rome, it's a simple lack of trust in the priests of the SSPX. Mr. Vennari's observations amount to a series of hand-wringing "what-if's".

Whether you like it or not, the problem began with Rome and it will end with Rome. To give up on the Romans and juridical recognition is to turn one's back on the Church, for there can be no contradiction between the charity and law as it stands today; between the integrity of the faith and legal rectitude of succession. The sede's are in a real predicament, though they don't see it because they are blinded by their unscientific opinions. I have detailed the very serious theological problems elsewhere.