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Quite a big biggie. LET THEM BE ANATHEMA is pretty much a biggie.

I am not arguing about the "size" of the matter being anathematized. I am saying that you are wrong about what the issue actually is.  Do you honestly think the original Latin has the parenthetical portions that we see in the English you have provided?

Latin is the key, its a dead language.

It didn't "die" all that long ago, really -- nor did English begin to take shape very long ago.  Latin's demise and the consequent rise of the Romance languages was more or less contemporary with the rise and development of English -- all of which happened many centuries after the foundation of Holy Mother Church.

Aramaic and then Latin was used far more and longer than Greek.

That is not the issue, John.  Monumentally ignorant statements like this are:

And for 1950 years, HOLY GHOST was how we were Baptized.

People could not be baptized using 'Holy Ghost' until English came into existence and usage -- which did not occur until well into the life of the Church.  Even after English came into existence, the rite of baptism was performed (and is still performed) in Latin, not English.

FWIW, Fr. J. Donovan's 1829 English translation of The Roman Catechism, also known as The Catechism of the Council of Trent -- a translation that is held in the highest esteem and enjoys ecclesiastical approbation -- uses the term "Holy Spirit" for the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity at least four times within the space of little more than one page.  He also uses "Holy Ghost," but the point, for our modest purposes, is that he, whose learning far surpasses our own, uses the terms interchangeably.

I admit Im wrong only when proven so.

You have been -- thoroughly and repeatedly.  I must go prepare some supper and check on a load of laundry in the dryer.  Ciao (c:

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Laughable.  Did the Marrano Jews cause purposeful disruption of the government and of religion "by claiming to have converted " because Catholic Spain had declared that only the Catholic religion was to be practised in Spain and that any other religion was banned by law and its practitioners ordered to either convert or leave the country?  
Indeed that did occur, and the Spanish Inquisition occured as a response to that subversive activity. Because the "Marranos" wanted to stay and practise Judaism secretly and work to overthrow and disrupt the government.   During that time 160,000 Jews did leave the country.   Tomas de Torquemada himself was of Jєωιѕн descent and his family had been converted.

Im glad you conceded my point.


Malleus: No , the Point you made was that the Jews Converted by St Vincent Ferrer resulted in a need for the Spanish inquisition. Thus far you have not provided the Direct Tie to each of those conversions and in Fact I have provided evidence that Tomas De Torquemada was of Jєωιѕн Descent.

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St Vincent Ferrer died in 1419.

The Spanish Inquisition didnt begin until 1478 under Ferdinand and Isabella.
The First Inquisition was in the 1180s and again in the 1200s.
I used Spain as an example.
Spain was not the first or only Inquisition.

Irrelevant. What does that have to do with St Vincent Ferrer?


Mandatory conversions was the biggest mistake the Church ever made and it is acknowledged.
Walled Ghettos, Segregation and ID badges were thought to have worked much better, Spain learned the hard way.


The Church ?  Or the Spanish Monarchy?  Did you get your signals crossed?


 “To Ju.......... 28 q. 1  : Irrelevant

Capitular Nullus, etc  Once again Irrelevant

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Now , if you want to try ro tie all of this in to тαℓмυdic Judaism - go right ahead. But - being ignorant of history serves no purpose.  Is there a Masonic / тαℓмυdic Judaism connection - indeed - but it is far deeper than a simplistic racially motivated diatribe that thus far we have seen coming from you.

Not really.
Its no more difficult to understand than that.
Jews maintain strict Laws of Rabbinically mandated Jew marriage Laws.



Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg,
"We have to recognize that Jєωιѕн blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5)



"Harold Rosenthal:
'Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer.'" - ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, page 19

Malleus :  All fine and good - the Tie to The Jews Converted by St Vincent Ferrer is found where again?

Likewise - do you deny that Toma De Torquemada is of Jєωιѕн descent?  If so do you likewise condemn him?


Throwing out a bunch of quips and irrelevant points does nothing to win the argument.

Remember , my point that St Vincent Ferrer converted 30,000 Jews to the one true Faith remains unchallenged - both historically - and as illustrated by the Fact that St Vincent Ferrer was canonized by Pope Calixtus III.

Are you trying to imply that having been declared a Saint by a Holy Pope of the Catholic Church - that somehow his memory should be tainted because of your hatred of Jews?

My original point remains - that Conversion is always the mission of the
Church - not hatred.  Certainly we will be HATED because of that Mission.
But those who HATE are the culprits.  Dont become one of them.


Also - you may enjoy : THE тαℓмυd UNMASKED. THE SECRET RABBINICAL TEACHINGS CONCERNING CHRISTIANS. By. Rev. I. B. Pranaitis a Catholic Priest who was executed.

Fr Torquemada was Not of Judaix racial heritage.

I disagree but its not worth arguing about someones ethnicity. And in the grand scheme of things - he is Catholic.   Isnt that all that matters?

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If it is public info then U should be able to provide a source.

It seems as if U are implying that Pius XII and 'Pacelli' are 2 diff persons :confused1:

I Meant to day Paul V1.


Yes, use google, its all over and public record.  Their meeting that is.




Here is the video, and below are a few quotes of interest which I have collected.

http://www.realcatholictv.com/cia/01cchd/



Saul Stayed in Milan for a week or so and from what he said when he came back, seemed to get on rather well with the archbishop, who is destined to become the next pope.  When the time came to say goodbye Montini said Saul ought not to leave Italy without having an audience with Pope Pius XII.

    The archbishop arranged it and though Saul’s audience was not a private one, the group was small. He was escorted into the reception room with a gaggle of pious American Catholics.
I don’t remember Saul’s saying whether he genuflected to the Holy Ftaher as his companions must have.  The brief audience was concluded with each of his visitors extending a rosary for a papal blessing. Saul, of course had no rosary, but he didn’t want to appear impolite. Digging into his pants pocket he found the latchkey for his apartment in Chicago and held it out in the Pope’s direction. The key was duly blessed and earned a place of didtiction on Saul’s desk a 8 South Michigan. Portrait of Saul Alinsky 173



Two days before the papal election, Alinsky wrote to new IAF Trustee George N. Schuster: "No, I don't know who the next Pope will be, but if it's to be Montini then the drinks will be on me for years to come."9
The Radical Vision of Saul Alinski pg305


From 1945 to 1948 Maritain was in Rome serving at General de Gaulle’s request as France’s ambassador to the Vatican. Pope Pius XII apparently took inspiration from Maritain philosophical work, as would monsignor Montini who would come to regard Maritian as his master…In 1948 Maritain was head of the Paris delegation and served as president of the UNESCO general conference in Mexico City. The Teachings of Modern Roman Catholicism on Law, Politics, and Human Nature


The internship with Alinsky had an enormous impact on the career of this young cleric. It was financed by Cardinal Stritch who gave Alinsky $40,000 a year for a three-year study of Chicago's racially troubled neighborhoods. (that’s in 1954) (73) Finks, The Radical Vision 111.


Alinsky made inroads into the Chicago Catholic hierarchy through his close friend Bishop Sheil auxiliary bishop of Chicago. Bishop Sheil was the only Catholic Bishop to publically denounce Senator Joe MaCarthy


In April 1954 the bishop appeared before more than two thousand members of the United Automobile Workers in Chicago’s Civic Opera House to denounce the “phony anti-communism” practiced by the junior senator from Wisconsin.” I am almost sure Saul arranged (author) Sheil’s appearance. I know that he arranged for massive media coverage. The speech was one of the first of an avalanche of large boulders which did on “Tailgunner Joe” as he was known to his admirers. A portrait of Saul Alinski


Sheil also attacked the radio priest father charles Coughlin.

Alinski’s feud with McIntyre

“Alinski anticipated parish support in Los Angeles, but Fred Ross advised Alinsky that “while Mexican Americans came out of Catholic traditions, an organizer could not expect much leadership from the young priests as Alinsky had enjoyed in Chicago.”
Cardinal McIntyre, who determined the activities of all the parishes in the loss angeles archdiocese, recognized the new aspirations of returning veterans, but he discouraged –some suggest he even persecuted- priests and nuns who engaged in community activism. Instead, Cardinal McIntyre promoted community school buildings and “Americanization” programs.”
Mexican American Women activists

Which "you" collected?! I collected those quotes the other night and it took me 2 hours.

I posted them here
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Michael-Voris-pilot-video-on-Saul-Alinsky-list-of-quotes

Pius XII met with Alinsky on a formal visit in 1958 with a group of other Pius American Catholics. They went in he blessed their rosaries and that was all, except Alinsky didn't have a Rosary so he produced his apartment key.

I really smell a troll here.