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Offline Jaynek

Re: Jєωιѕн roots of the Mass
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2020, 04:37:28 PM »
Quote from: ascanio1 on February 16, 2020, 11:47:01 AM
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I do not understand your comment to my post to rum...

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Your post contained the phrase "We all suffer because jews killed our Lord."  Poche apparently is objecting to that.  He is not taking a traditional Catholic position, since he seems to deny that the Jews bear any responsibility whatsoever.

While it is true that Christians are also responsible for the Crucifixion because of our sins, traditionally Catholics did not see that as a reason to ignore the role played by Jews.  Here is an passage from the Catechism of the Council of Trent showing the relationship:

Besides, to increase the dignity of this mystery, Christ not only suffered for sinners, but even for those who were the very authors and ministers of all the torments He endured. Of this the Apostle reminds us in these words addressed to the Hebrews: Think diligently upon him that endured such opposition from sinners against himself; that you be not wearied, fainting in your minds. In this guilt are involved all those who fall frequently into sin; for, as our sins consigned Christ the Lord to the death of the cross, most certainly those who wallow in sin and iniquity crucify to themselves again the Son of God, as far as in them lies, and make a mockery of Him. This guilt seems more enormous in us than in the Jews, since according to the testimony of the same Apostle: If they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of glory; while we, on the contrary, professing to know Him, yet denying Him by our actions, seem in some sort to lay violent hands on him.
http://www.saintsbooks.net/books/The%20Roman%20Catechism.pdf  (p.56) 
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Offline BTNYC

Re: Jєωιѕн roots of the Mass
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2020, 05:17:50 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on February 11, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Wow. All I can say is this: how accidentally beneficial is Poche to this forum! He posted the above quote, and it indirectly brought about a great lesson for countless readers.

What if I had banned poche months ago, as requested? I'm glad I didn't now.

I wasn't aware of this exact quote by St. Pius X, but now I am.

Countless readers for the next 10, 20 years will read this thread now, and none of them will be "convinced" by Poche's distortion. If they walk away with the Conciliar conception of the Jews ("their Covenant is still valid") it's because they were brainwashed to begin with. In which case, no harm done.

Whenever something like this is exposed, when the following sentence REVERSES the meaning, 100% of those of good will are convinced by the truth. This is valuable to the service of truth.

I wish there were some way to teach people things like this WITHOUT a poche, but I don't believe it's possible.

Just like it would be great to have a strong immune system without having to suffer attacks from bacteria and viruses. But that also isn't possible.

As long as the bacteria and viruses are weak enough so as not to do any permanent damage, you're good.

I know a man who came, by God's grace, to Catholic Tradition after a lifetime of godlessness and hedonism. He was a cinephile, and the root of his interest in reading the Gospels and learning more about Our Lord was his love of Martin Scorsese's execrable and blasphemous film adaptation of Nikos Kazantzakis' execrable and blasphemous novel, The Last Temptation of Christ. 

Applying the logic of the post above would lead this man to declare:
"What if the blasphemous, heretical works of Kazantzakis and Scorsese were banned decades ago, as requested (by numerous pious souls)? I'm glad they weren't now!

"I wish there were some way to reach godless cinephiles like I once was WITHOUT a Last Temptation of Christ, but I don't believe it's possible."

To his credit, the man to whom I refer has never uttered anything like the above.

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Offline Nadir

Re: Jєωιѕн roots of the Mass
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2020, 05:33:53 PM »
Quote from: BTNYC on February 16, 2020, 05:17:50 PM
I know a man who came, by God's grace, to Catholic Tradition after a lifetime of godlessness and hedonism. He was a cinephile, and the root of his interest in reading the Gospels and learning more about Our Lord was his love of Martin Scorsese's execrable and blasphemous film adaptation of Nikos Kazantzakis' execrable and blasphemous novel, The Last Temptation of Christ.

Applying the logic of the post above would lead this man to declare:
"What if the blasphemous, heretical works of Kazantzakis and Scorsese were banned decades ago, as requested (by numerous pious souls)? I'm glad they weren't now!

"I wish there were some way to reach godless cinephiles like I once was WITHOUT a Last Temptation of Christ, but I don't believe it's possible."

To his credit, the man to whom I refer has never uttered anything like the above.
Thank you, BTNYC. 
When I saw that quote by Matthew in its original position, I was absolutely flabbergasted and speechless. So thank you for your wise words. God bless you.
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