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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Jєωιѕн roots of the Mass
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2020, 08:44:56 AM »
Quote from: Jaynek on February 11, 2020, 06:18:17 AM
"The Jєωιѕн religion was the foundation of our own; but it was superseded by the teachings of Christ, and we cannot concede it any further validity. The Jews, who ought to have been the first to acknowledge Jesus Christ, have not done so to this day."

Yes, another pochian distortion (aka lie).  When you look at the entire sentence, it actually says the OPPOSITE of what poche is implying that St. Pius X meant.  Shame on you, poche.  This is the second time you've been called out for slandering St. Pius X from the Herzl meeting.
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Offline Matthew

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Re: Jєωιѕн roots of the Mass
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2020, 12:34:00 PM »
Wow. All I can say is this: how accidentally beneficial is Poche to this forum! He posted the above quote, and it indirectly brought about a great lesson for countless readers.

What if I had banned poche months ago, as requested? I'm glad I didn't now.

I wasn't aware of this exact quote by St. Pius X, but now I am.

Countless readers for the next 10, 20 years will read this thread now, and none of them will be "convinced" by Poche's distortion. If they walk away with the Conciliar conception of the Jews ("their Covenant is still valid") it's because they were brainwashed to begin with. In which case, no harm done.

Whenever something like this is exposed, when the following sentence REVERSES the meaning, 100% of those of good will are convinced by the truth. This is valuable to the service of truth.

I wish there were some way to teach people things like this WITHOUT a poche, but I don't believe it's possible.

Just like it would be great to have a strong immune system without having to suffer attacks from bacteria and viruses. But that also isn't possible.

As long as the bacteria and viruses are weak enough so as not to do any permanent damage, you're good.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Jєωιѕн roots of the Mass
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2020, 02:00:26 PM »
Quote from: ascanio1 on February 11, 2020, 06:44:57 AM
How is the reference to the "fruit of the vine", from the Mishnah, Berakoth [Blessings] 6:1, related to N.O. Mass? Apologies for being unfamiliar with liturgy. I admit my ignorance and I appreciate your time and sharing your expertise with me.

Here, you can see it use in the N.O. Mass under "Offering of the Chalice".  Left side is the Tridentine Mass, right side the NOM.

https://lms.org.uk/missals#offertory

NOM has a different sense of the offertory, where the people are bringing gifts of bread and wine to God for use during the Mass, whereas the Tridentine offering foreshadows the offering of the sacrifice about to take place, the offering up to God in reparation for our sins.  Completely different notion regarding the Offertory.
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Offline Miseremini

Re: Jєωιѕн roots of the Mass
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2020, 05:12:06 PM »
Quote from: Giovanni Berto on February 11, 2020, 08:40:38 AM
So I looked for the imprimatur to feel more at ease with it and I couldn't find.
Could anyone bring some light to this?
I pulled 5 books at random from my library and 2 did not have imprimaturs ; The Lives of the Dessert Fathers and the Sermons of St. Alphonsus Liguori.
Considering the author is a Doctor of Divinity, the book was researched and published in the late 1800's and the subject matter, I don't have a problem with the lack of an imprimatur.
The garbage we read on line certainly doesn't have one and many people take it as gospel.
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Offline Miseremini

Re: Jєωιѕн roots of the Mass
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2020, 05:41:13 PM »
Quote from: Giovanni Berto on February 11, 2020, 08:40:38 AM
I've quickly read some parts of this book and found it really incredible.
It seemed odd to me that the author cites the тαℓмυd. I wouldn't imagine that this blasphemous Jєωιѕн book could be used as a serious source, but I am just an ignorant layman.
The author researched many non Catholic resources for his book.  Everything prior to Christ was non Catholic.  The тαℓмυd may have been quoted for a truth or to debunk an error.  
The author filled in daily life, customs, habits, cultures etc that the Bible left out.
I found it interesting that before Christ, passover was celebrated only by men which would account for our Blessed Mother being absent at the last supper.  This info would have come from Jєωιѕн rabbis.
I think the study/inclusion of the тαℓмυd was just thorough research.
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