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Re: Jєωιѕн roots of the Mass
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2020, 06:12:53 AM »
Jaynek, so would you agree that that article is accurate up to its author's reference to the тαℓмυd? Would it be correct to affirm that our Lord's actions, during His last supper when He taught us to repeat them in memory of Him, are rooted in the Jєωιѕн passover? Would that description be accurate?
I, personally, would not use the expression "rooted in" to describe the relationship.  I think it has the wrong connotations, since it comes from the imagery of a plant growing naturally from its roots.  The Mass did not come about by a natural process.  The institution of the Sacrament of the Eucharist was a supernatural intervention into human history by God.  Our Lord fulfilled the truth prefigured by the Jєωιѕн Passover and this is reflected in the Mass.

Of course, there is a connection between Easter and Passover.  In most languages, they are even the same word.  In your own Italian, for example, both are "Pasqua" and the Jєωιѕн celebration distinguished as "Pasqua Ebraica".  During His time on earth, Our Lord lived as a Jew of that time. He worshipped at a ѕуηαgσgυє, kept the Sabbath, and celebrated the Passover (and did so at the Last Supper). This is an aspect of the mystery of the Incarnation.  

However, I would be very cautious about what any post-conciliar author has to say about this subject.  There are too many wrong ideas concerning Jews and Judaism at this time.  Even in the absence of glaring errors, I would expect subtle mistaken assumptions or implications.  In this thread, several members have recommended a pre-conciliar work on this subject.  If it is something you have an interest in, that seems like a good resource.

Re: Jєωιѕн roots of the Mass
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2020, 02:45:56 PM »
However, I would be very cautious about what any post-conciliar author has to say about this subject.  There are too many wrong ideas concerning Jews and Judaism at this time.  Even in the absence of glaring errors, I would expect subtle mistaken assumptions or implications.  In this thread, several members have recommended a pre-conciliar work on this subject.  If it is something you have an interest in, that seems like a good resource.
Thank you. I have many books in my reading list and I added this one.

I appreciate your sound and justified concern over post-conciliar authors and texts. While I am well aware of the modern trend, both subtle and patent, to water down the difference between the two religions in the ill disguised attempt to unify all religions, I am also cautious to not excede in caution and avoid or slight historical and theological truths because I do not think it in our Faith's best interest to be weary, embarrassed, resentful or any other emotion, concerning our past and our origins...

Again, thank you for your help. God bless your family and you.


Re: Jєωιѕн roots of the Mass
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2020, 10:53:29 PM »
Hello rum, nice to exchange posts with you for the first time.

Kindly, may I ask you a personal favour? Would you refrain from posting what may lead this thread astray? I have recently converted and I am studying the Catholic religion. This platform offers me the opportunity to obtain valuable replies to doubts and questions but, if these replies become buried among irrelevant posts, the thread looses part of its usefulness.

We all suffer because jews killed our Lord, we all agree that it is false religion and we all experienced use of the h0Ɩ0cαųst for reasons other than legitimate.

But it is not helpful to attack those who converted from judaism, only because they have not managed to convert their families, as much as it would not be helpful to attack me, who just converted from reformists religion, only because I have not managed to convert my family.

I even hold that, in our generation, reformists have done more harm to the Church than jews.

More to the point, what are your opinions on the roots of our Catholic Mass? Are they rooted in pre-Pentecost judaism?
We suffer because of sin, in particular our sin.
When Jesus was at his agony inn the garden, he saw a Traditional Catholic watching pornography, and he wept tears of blood
Later when he saw someone else committing an impure act, he allowed himself to be scourged.
Then, he saw someone who is a traditional Catholic make an unworthy reception of holy communion, and his head was crowned with thorns.
Don't be like Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden after they ate the fruit. Adam pointed the finger at Eve. Eve pointed the finger at the snake.
If the Jєωιѕн leadership had not given him up to the Romans he would have gone to them himself. His reason for coming was to save us from our sins. He did this for us by dying for us on the cross. 

Re: Jєωιѕн roots of the Mass
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2020, 11:47:01 AM »
We suffer because of sin, in particular our sin.
When Jesus was at his agony inn the garden, he saw a Traditional Catholic watching pornography, and he wept tears of blood
Later when he saw someone else committing an impure act, he allowed himself to be scourged.
Then, he saw someone who is a traditional Catholic make an unworthy reception of holy communion, and his head was crowned with thorns.
Don't be like Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden after they ate the fruit. Adam pointed the finger at Eve. Eve pointed the finger at the snake.
If the Jєωιѕн leadership had not given him up to the Romans he would have gone to them himself. His reason for coming was to save us from our sins. He did this for us by dying for us on the cross.
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I do not understand your comment to my post to rum...

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Re: Jєωιѕн roots of the Mass
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2020, 02:57:24 PM »
We suffer because of sin, in particular our sin.
When Jesus was at his agony inn the garden, he saw a Traditional Catholic watching pornography, and he wept tears of blood
Later when he saw someone else committing an impure act, he allowed himself to be scourged.
Then, he saw someone who is a traditional Catholic make an unworthy reception of holy communion, and his head was crowned with thorns.
Don't be like Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden after they ate the fruit. Adam pointed the finger at Eve. Eve pointed the finger at the snake.
If the Jєωιѕн leadership had not given him up to the Romans he would have gone to them himself. His reason for coming was to save us from our sins. He did this for us by dying for us on the cross.
Not forgetting your own lies and distortions.