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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: monka966 on September 17, 2017, 01:14:01 AM
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Besides St. Paul, which Catholic saints were converts from Judaism?
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Saint Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein)Virgin and Martyr (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=7650) Edith Stein, born in 1891 in Breslau, Poland, was the youngest child of a large Jєωιѕн (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6511) family. She was an outstanding student and was well versed in philosophy (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=9313) with a particular interest in phenomenology. Eventually she became interested in the Catholic (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=2678) Faith, and in 1922, she was baptized at the Cathedral (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=2667) Church in Cologne, Germany. Eleven years later Edith entered the Cologne (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=3146) Carmel. Because of the ramifications of politics in Germany, Edith, whose name in religion (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=9935) was Teresa Benedicta of the Cross, was sent to the Carmel (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=2566) at Echt, Holland. When the nαzιs conquered Holland, Teresa was arrested, and, with her sister Rose, was sent to the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ at Auschwitz. Teresa died in the gas chambers of Auschwitz in 1942 at the age of fifty-one. In 1987, she was beatified (http://www.catholic.org/saints) in the large outdoor soccer stadium in Cologne by Pope John (http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=50) Paul II. Out of the unspeakable human suffering caused by the nαzιs in western Europe (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=4428) in the 1930's and 1940's, there blossomed the beautiful life (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=7101) of dedication, consecration, prayer, fasting, and penance (http://www.catholic.org/prayers/sacrament.php?id=4) of Saint Teresa. Even though her life (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=7101) was snuffed out by the satanic evil (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=4469) of genocide, her memory (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=7861) stands as a light undimmed in the midst of evil, darkness, and suffering. She was canonized on October 11, 1998.
http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=179 (http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=179)
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Saint Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein)Virgin and Martyr (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=7650) Edith Stein, born in 1891 in Breslau, Poland, was the youngest child of a large Jєωιѕн (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6511) family. She was an outstanding student and was well versed in philosophy (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=9313) with a particular interest in phenomenology. Eventually she became interested in the Catholic (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=2678) Faith, and in 1922, she was baptized at the Cathedral (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=2667) Church in Cologne, Germany. Eleven years later Edith entered the Cologne (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=3146) Carmel. Because of the ramifications of politics in Germany, Edith, whose name in religion (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=9935) was Teresa Benedicta of the Cross, was sent to the Carmel (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=2566) at Echt, Holland. When the nαzιs conquered Holland, Teresa was arrested, and, with her sister Rose, was sent to the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ at Auschwitz. Teresa died in the gas chambers of Auschwitz in 1942 at the age of fifty-one. In 1987, she was beatified (http://www.catholic.org/saints) in the large outdoor soccer stadium in Cologne by Pope John (http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=50) Paul II. Out of the unspeakable human suffering caused by the nαzιs in western Europe (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=4428) in the 1930's and 1940's, there blossomed the beautiful life (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=7101) of dedication, consecration, prayer, fasting, and penance (http://www.catholic.org/prayers/sacrament.php?id=4) of Saint Teresa. Even though her life (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=7101) was snuffed out by the satanic evil (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=4469) of genocide, her memory (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=7861) stands as a light undimmed in the midst of evil, darkness, and suffering. She was canonized on October 11, 1998.
http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=179 (http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=179)
Were there any canonized say--um--40 years earlier? The Auschwitz tale and Wojtyla may result in this one being revisited someday. It just sounds like a concocted NWO narrative to me. The tale and the big 1987 shindig of a beatification announcement would have played well for new church's political agenda of the day. #CallMeSkeptical
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To be more specific, I was looking for canonizations before Vatican II.
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1. When the nαzιs conquered
2. Teresa died in the gas chambers of Auschwitz
3. Out of the unspeakable human suffering caused by the nαzιs in western Europe (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=4428) in the 1930's and 1940's
4. her life (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=7101) was snuffed out by the satanic evil (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=4469) of genocide,
5. stands as a light undimmed in the midst of evil, darkness, and suffering.
These statements from the above article which presents these thing as fact and is written touching upon the essential points of the Jєωιѕн narrative using their language, terminology, rhetoric, and false characterizations. It could have been cut and pasted from Wikipedia or a h0Ɩ0cαųst museum.
Beyond this it demonstrates that the Novus Ordo establishment buys lock stock and barrel all of the Jєωιѕн distortions of history, and should never be trusted to be accurate or reliable in any serious matter.
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These were exactly my thoughts as I read that propaganda.
I don't doubt that Sr Teresa Benedicta was a true convert from the atheism that she had adopted, that she became a truly holy woman, that she died in Auschwitz during the time of the nαzιs, but what evidence do we have that she died in the gas chambers except that the Vatican accepted that story? This is a serious question.
I couldn't find anything on Google when I searched for Jєωιѕн convert saints. There must be someone other than Edith Stein.
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These were exactly my thoughts as I read that propaganda.
I don't doubt that Sr Teresa Benedicta was a true convert from the atheism that she had adopted, that she became a truly holy woman, that she died in Auschwitz during the time of the nαzιs, but what evidence do we have that she died in the gas chambers except that the Vatican accepted that story? This is a serious question.
I couldn't find anything on Google when I searched for Jєωιѕн convert saints. There must be someone other than Edith Stein.
And you will not find it. The existence of the so called "gas chambers has never been proven.
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Saint Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein)Virgin and Martyr (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=7650) Edith Stein, born in 1891 in Breslau, Poland, was the youngest child of a large Jєωιѕн (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6511) family. She was an outstanding student and was well versed in philosophy (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=9313) with a particular interest in phenomenology. Eventually she became interested in the Catholic (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=2678) Faith, and in 1922, she was baptized at the Cathedral (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=2667) Church in Cologne, Germany. Eleven years later Edith entered the Cologne (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=3146) Carmel. Because of the ramifications of politics in Germany, Edith, whose name in religion (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=9935) was Teresa Benedicta of the Cross, was sent to the Carmel (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=2566) at Echt, Holland. When the nαzιs conquered Holland, Teresa was arrested, and, with her sister Rose, was sent to the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ at Auschwitz. Teresa died in the gas chambers of Auschwitz in 1942 at the age of fifty-one. In 1987, she was beatified (http://www.catholic.org/saints) in the large outdoor soccer stadium in Cologne by Pope John (http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=50) Paul II. Out of the unspeakable human suffering caused by the nαzιs in western Europe (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=4428) in the 1930's and 1940's, there blossomed the beautiful life (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=7101) of dedication, consecration, prayer, fasting, and penance (http://www.catholic.org/prayers/sacrament.php?id=4) of Saint Teresa. Even though her life (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=7101) was snuffed out by the satanic evil (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=4469) of genocide, her memory (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=7861) stands as a light undimmed in the midst of evil, darkness, and suffering. She was canonized on October 11, 1998.
http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=179 (http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=179)
Is there a Catholic saint who died in the Holodomor where millions of Catholic Ukrainians were starved to death by (((Communists)))? That is an actual genocide, the h0Ɩ0cαųst is a fairytale. Maybe people died in the camps of disease, but there were no gas chambers.
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Alphonse Ratisbonne, converted by the Miraculous Medal. I don't think he's canonized Saint, but somewhere close to what you are looking for:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie-Alphonse_Ratisbonne
(Yea, I know, not the best place for accurate information)
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concerning Ratisbonne
http://www.traditioninaction.org/SOD/j112sdOLMiracles_1-20.htm
The SSPX (USA) had an article but right now it is unavailable.
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These statements from the above article which presents these thing as fact and is written touching upon the essential points of the Jєωιѕн narrative using their language, terminology, rhetoric, and false characterizations. It could have been cut and pasted from Wikipedia or a h0Ɩ0cαųst museum.
Beyond this it demonstrates that the Novus Ordo establishment buys lock stock and barrel all of the Jєωιѕн distortions of history, and should never be trusted to be accurate or reliable in any serious matter.
What a slippery slope when we are revising history. At first the nαzι's only killed 300,000 instead of the 6-12,000,000. In any event St Theresa Benedicta of the Cross was killed shortly after she arrived. In life she was a contemplative Carmelite nun whose principal activity was to write a commentary on the writings of St. John of the Cross.
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The figure was six million Jews. That has never been verified, and considering that it was they who made the first revisions to the history and numbers from Nuremburg onward and who facilitate its enforcement unto today. That was the evil time when the "truth is no defense" doctrines were created.
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The figure was six million Jews. That has never been verified, and considering that it was they who made the first revisions to the history and numbers from Nuremburg onward and who facilitate its enforcement unto today. That was the evil time when the "truth is no defense" doctrines were created.
The issue also is that St. Theresa Benedicta of the Cross, a discalced Carmelite nun, was put to death because of who her ancestors were.
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The issue also is that St. Theresa Benedicta of the Cross, a discalced Carmelite nun, was put to death because of who her ancestors were.
Isn't St Teresa Benedicta considered to be a martyr?
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But if she was "put to death because of who her ancestors were" then that would negate her martyr status.
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You can't have it both ways. She died for the faith or she died "because of who her ancestors were".
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Nobody denies that she died in a cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ, what is questioned here is that she "died in the gas chambers". It's the gas chambers which are disputed.
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Short excerpt from a long article: http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml
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Survivor Testimony
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Former inmates have confirmed that they saw no evidence of extermination at Auschwitz.
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An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. [16] She was interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sɛҳuąƖ relations with a Polish forced laborer. On the train journey to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz. Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads.
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Auschwitz was no vacation resort, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the deaths of many fellow inmates by disease, particularly typhus. She saw some take their own lives. But she saw no evidence at all of mass killings, gassings, or of any extermination program.
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A Jєωιѕн woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of gas chambers
during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing stories only later. [17]
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Inmates Released
More than 200,000 prisoners were transferred from Auschwitz to other camps, and about 8,000 were in the camp when it was liberated by Soviet forces. In addition, about 1,500 prisoners who had served their sentences were released, and returned to their home countries. [18] If Auschwitz had actually been a top secret extermination center, it is difficult to believe that the German authorities would have released inmates who "knew" what was happening there.
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Now, are there any Jєωιѕн convert who became Catholic saints, apart from St Teresa Benedicta?
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Isn't St Teresa Benedicta considered to be a martyr?
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But if she was "put to death because of who her ancestors were" then that would negate her martyr status.
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You can't have it both ways. She died for the faith or she died "because of who her ancestors were".
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Nobody denies that she died in a cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ, what is questioned here is that she "died in the gas chambers". It's the gas chambers which are disputed.
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Short excerpt from a long article: http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml
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Survivor Testimony
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Former inmates have confirmed that they saw no evidence of extermination at Auschwitz.
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An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. [16] She was interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sɛҳuąƖ relations with a Polish forced laborer. On the train journey to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz. Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads.
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Auschwitz was no vacation resort, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the deaths of many fellow inmates by disease, particularly typhus. She saw some take their own lives. But she saw no evidence at all of mass killings, gassings, or of any extermination program.
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A Jєωιѕн woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of gas chambers
during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing stories only later. [17]
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Inmates Released
More than 200,000 prisoners were transferred from Auschwitz to other camps, and about 8,000 were in the camp when it was liberated by Soviet forces. In addition, about 1,500 prisoners who had served their sentences were released, and returned to their home countries. [18] If Auschwitz had actually been a top secret extermination center, it is difficult to believe that the German authorities would have released inmates who "knew" what was happening there.
I did not say that she was a martyr for the Faith. She and her sister were victim souls for the conversion of her people. By all objective standards her and her sister's death was unjust.
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oh boy, this whole promotion of Edith stein looks very suspicious.
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She and her sister were victim souls for the conversion of her people.
How so?
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... if she was "... put to death because of who her ancestors were... ", then that would negate her martyr status.
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You can't have it both ways; she died for the faith, or she died "because of who her ancestors were".
Causation, Scholasts' Analysis of (via newadvent.org) (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03459a.htm#scholastic)
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Now, are there any Jєωιѕн convert who became Catholic saints, apart from St Teresa Benedicta?
Francis Libermann has not been canonized but was declared venerable.
Francis Mary Paul Libermann (French: François-Marie-Paul Libermann; born Jacob Libermann; 14 April 1802 – 2 February 1852) was a 19th-century French Jєωιѕн convert to Catholicism who was a member of the Spiritan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritans) order. He is best known for founding the Congregation of the Immaculate Heart of Mary which later merged with the Congregation of the Holy Ghost. He is often referred to as "The Second Founder of the Holy Ghost Fathers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Ghost_Fathers)". He was declared venerable (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venerable) in the Roman Catholic Church on 1 June 1876, by Pope Pius IX (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pius_IX).
See more here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Libermann (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Libermann)
I don't expect to see the canonization process of Francis Libermann completed in the current "climate" in Rome. It is offensive to Jews to act like the conversion of Jews to Catholicism is a good thing which is just what such a canonization would imply. So the lack of canonization is probably more due to Vatican politics than a reflection on the holiness of Fr. Libermann.
(By the way, there is an SSPX connection. Archbishop Lefebvre was Superior General of the Holy Ghost Fathers for some years before he resigned over changes to the order in response to Vatican II.)
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How so?
Sr. Benedicta of the Cross and her sister were at the convent in occupied Holland when the order came for her and her sister's arrest. When the police came to the convent Sr. Benedicta, said to her sister, "Come sister, let us die for our people" Those were the last words heard in the convent by St. Benedicta of the Cross.
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Sr. Benedicta of the Cross and her sister were at the convent in occupied Holland when the order came for her and her sister's arrest. When the police came to the convent Sr. Benedicta, said to her sister, "Come sister, let us die for our people" Those were the last words heard in the convent by St. Benedicta of the Cross.
The fairytale is cute. But I don't see how it makes them "victim souls for the conversion of [their] people."
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I did not say that she was a martyr for the Faith. She and her sister were victim souls for the conversion of her people. By all objective standards her and her sister's death was unjust.
No but the Vatican did.
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I am sure she was very concerned for the conversion of her family. But to call her "victim soul" is pushing it a bit. Now doubt they were victims of injustice. Nobody is disputing that.
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As Jaynek pointed out it's not likely that Francis Liberman will be canonised in the current "climate" in Rome, and that is because he does not serve the purposes of the Jews. Not that Sr Teresa is any way to blame for that.
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oh boy, this whole promotion of Edith stein looks very suspicious.
The question was, "Who were the Jєωιѕн converts who became saints?" Why is that suspicious?
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The fairytale is cute. But I don't see how it makes them "victim souls for the conversion of [their] people."
When she offered her unjust imprisonment and death for the conversion of her people.
Don't you think it is good to pray for the conversion of the Jews?
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When she offered her unjust imprisonment and death for the conversion of her people.
Don't you think it is good to pray for the conversion of the Jews?
Tell that to the conciliarists around you who refuse to pray for the conversion of the Jews, tell it to Francis who prays in their own blasphemous ceremonies with them instead.
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Tell that to the conciliarists around you who refuse to pray for the conversion of the Jews, tell it to Francis who prays in their own blasphemous ceremonies with them instead.
Well said. This is a huge problem.
When I was very new to traditional Catholicism, just starting to explore it by reading Angelqueen forum, I came to realize how important it was to pray for the conversion of Jews and how this teaching had been obscured in recent times.
I went to my closest SSPX chapel for the first time to ask for a Mass to be said for the conversion of Jews because I did not trust anyone else to do it. I had a good talk with the priest there and that is how I first heard about Francis Libermann.
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The question was, "Who were the Jєωιѕн converts who became saints?" Why is that suspicious?
Because she was "canonized" by new church, and, no less than, by one who would ultimately become a doubtful sAint himself. Her very public beatification occurred complete with an (((NWO))) themed hogwash narrative about an improbable method alleged regarding her death.
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When I was very new to traditional Catholicism, just starting to explore it by reading Angelqueen forum, I came to realize how important it was to pray for the conversion of Jews and how this teaching had been obscured...
"Obscure", Definition of: (https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=C111US752D20170824&p=define%3Aobscure)
"Contradict", Definition of: (https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrBT4FufcJZqYMAojtXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA21jYWZlZQRncHJpZAMEbl9yc2x0AzAEbl9zdWdnAzAEb3JpZ2luA3NlYXJjaC55YWhvby5jb20EcG9zAzAEcHFzdHIDBHBxc3RybAMwBHFzdHJsAzE5BHF1ZXJ5A2RlZmluZSUzQWNvbnRyYWRpY3QEdF9zdG1wAzE1MDU5MTgzNjk-?p=define%3Acontradict&fr2=sb-top&fr=mcafee&type=C111US752D20170824)
"Oppose", Definition of: (https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrBT4FufcJZqYMAojtXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA21jYWZlZQRncHJpZAMEbl9yc2x0AzAEbl9zdWdnAzAEb3JpZ2luA3NlYXJjaC55YWhvby5jb20EcG9zAzAEcHFzdHIDBHBxc3RybAMwBHFzdHJsAzE5BHF1ZXJ5A2RlZmluZSUzQWNvbnRyYWRpY3QEdF9zdG1wAzE1MDU5MTgzNjk-?p=define%3Acontradict&fr2=sb-top&fr=mcafee&type=C111US752D20170824)
s.a. "Heteropraxy", "Gradualism" and "Hegelian Dialectics"
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And let's not forget these holy jews...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Giovanni_Paolo_II_0013.JPG/800px-Giovanni_Paolo_II_0013.JPG)
St. Pope JPII (Mother "Katz" was a polish jewess convert)
(https://novusordowatch.org/wp-content/uploads/paul6-black_med.jpeg)
Holy pope Giovanni Montini
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k5P8QXYkfCU/VGSkdd1M7_I/AAAAAAAAD0I/DTZyOh4Lurg/s1600/ephod_550.jpg)
Wearing the rabbinic ephod
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Tell that to the conciliarists around you who refuse to pray for the conversion of the Jews, tell it to Francis who prays in their own blasphemous ceremonies with them instead.
I am talking to you. won't you join me with St Theresa Benedicta of the Cross and pray for the conversion of the Jews?
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St Theresa of Avila was the granddaughter of a converso.
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St Theresa of Avila was the granddaughter of a converso.
Yes, but the thread is for Jєωιѕн CONVERTS who became saints, so that would exclude St Teresa of Avila.
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I know they must be genuine converts who became saints. I think that The Plot Against the Church speaks of some, but I haven't access to the book right nnow. Any other information?
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When she offered her unjust imprisonment and death for the conversion of her people.
Don't you think it is good to pray for the conversion of the Jews?
Are you inferring that she offered her death by her statement of "let's die for our people?"
Yes, it's good to pray for the conversion of jews. That's why I am troubled by the missals that omit the Good Friday prayer. The freemason who revised that out had an approximate 20 year pattern of change which ultimately culminated in the complete bastardization of the Mass--the novus ordo.
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I am talking to you. won't you join me with St Theresa Benedicta of the Cross and pray for the conversion of the Jews?
Rather than invoke a putative Saint who has various problems associated with her canonization, I prefer to invoke St. Vincent Ferrer when praying for the conversion of Jews. He was known for preaching which led many thousands of Jews to convert.
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Yes, but the thread is for Jєωιѕн CONVERTS who became saints, so that would exclude St Teresa of Avila.
:applause:
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The issue also is that St. Theresa Benedicta of the Cross, a discalced Carmelite nun, was put to death because of who her ancestors were.
She died because of who her ancestors were? Good point, Poche.
Isn't one of the criteria for martyrdom to die for the Catholic Faith?
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Jєωιѕн converts would be truly hidden saints. If a Jєωιѕн person converts to Catholicism then their family will sit Shiva on them and consider them dead so a Jєωιѕн convert is really putting it all on the line when they cross over to the Catholic Faith.
If a Jєωιѕн person converts and their family does not sit shiva over them and this same convert seems to be on perfectly good terms with the Jєωιѕн community then watch out because that's just not normal unless the Jєωιѕн person has already explained that the purpose of conversion is not faith based.
I would guess that there have been hundreds, or even thousands of converts who are now receiving the Beautific Vision but they would be unknown to us. They would have converted and lived a quiet Catholic life.
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Jєωιѕн converts would be truly hidden saints. If a Jєωιѕн person converts to Catholicism then their family will sit Shiva on them and consider them dead so a Jєωιѕн convert is really putting it all on the line when they cross over to the Catholic Faith.
If a Jєωιѕн person converts and their family does not sit shiva over them and this same convert seems to be on perfectly good terms with the Jєωιѕн community then watch out because that's just not normal unless the Jєωιѕн person has already explained that the purpose of conversion is not faith based.
I would guess that there have been hundreds, or even thousands of converts who are now receiving the Beautific Vision but they would be unknown to us. They would have converted and lived a quiet Catholic life.
To most Jews, it's more about culture and heritage than religion. Ergo, they might light a menorah or have a seder, but not tie any religiosity to that. A lot of Jews are very secular and wouldn't really care if someone converted.
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St Dismas the very first Saint
St Longinus (or was he Roman?)
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St Longinus was Roman. We know nothing about St Dismas except that he repented and was saved. "This day you will be with me in paradise."
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Are you inferring that she offered her death by her statement of "let's die for our people?"
Yes, it's good to pray for the conversion of jews. That's why I am troubled by the missals that omit the Good Friday prayer. The freemason who revised that out had an approximate 20 year pattern of change which ultimately culminated in the complete bastardization of the Mass--the novus ordo.
I am not worried. There is nothing to stop us from praying for their conversion. That prayer was for only one day out of the year while we can pray for them every day.
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She died because of who her ancestors were? Good point, Poche.
Isn't one of the criteria for martyrdom to die for the Catholic Faith?
If we die in communion with Jesus we go to Heaven.
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I am not worried. There is nothing to stop us from praying for their conversion. That prayer was for only one day out of the year while we can pray for them every day.
Because official, public prayer and profession = "we can, if we feel like it, someplace, sometime, maybe over a latte, chitlins, bagels, and lox"
More conflation of the collective ("commuuuuuuuunity") "us", and the slapdash, "us" as individuals acting, praying, speaking, and thinking as such.
This act very much, for any non-liar, did stop us from praying for their conversion; that is exactly what it was, that's why "we" don't do it any more.
But hey, as long as Christ hating Jews are "happy"...
Do us all a "favor" sir, hoping that you aren't formally, officially, and literally one of "them", and stop emulating them, and dissimulating for them.
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Exactly! Well said DZ
Only one day out of the year...
And that was too much!
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Exactly! Well said DZ
Only one day out of the year...
And that was too much!
Thank you ma'am Nadir, and in the "spirit of ecuмenism";
“Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. That's relativity.”
Einstein
Much the same can be said, when it comes to hot coals on the yarmulked head.
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I am not worried. There is nothing to stop us from praying for their conversion. That prayer was for only one day out of the year while we can pray for them every day.
You should be worried. Both recent liturgy and recent teachings have been systematically removing any hint that praying for conversion of Jews is desirable. The average Catholic in the pew thinks that Jews are saved by being good Jews rather than by conversion to Catholicism. Many putative Catholics have accepted the Jєωιѕн belief that promoting the conversion of Jews is a form of anti-semitism and therefore evil.
It is wishful thinking for you claim that these ideas do not prevent people from praying for the conversion of Jews. Many modern Catholics believe that such prayers are wrong and can even bring papal and magisterial statements in support of their belief.
Current beliefs and practices are diametrically opposed to what happened for most of Church history. You should be worried. And upset. And shocked. You do not seem to grasp how terribly wrong the current situation is. It is not going to be improved by people closing their eyes and proclaiming that everything is just fine.
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I am not worried. There is nothing to stop us from praying for their conversion. That prayer was for only one day out of the year while we can pray for them every day.
You're not worried that Bugnini stripped the Good Friday prayer that had millions of Catholics praying for the conversion at the same time. Your blinded modernism beats most anything I've ever seen.