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Offline poche

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Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2017, 01:37:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: JPaul on September 20, 2017, 07:42:02 AM
    Tell that to the conciliarists around you who refuse to pray for the conversion of the Jєωs, tell it to Francis who prays in their own blasphemous ceremonies with them instead.
    I am talking to you. won't you join me with St Theresa Benedicta of the Cross and pray for the conversion of the Jєωs?  
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    Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
    « Reply #31 on: September 21, 2017, 01:43:00 AM »
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    • St Theresa of Avila was the granddaughter of a converso.  
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    Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
    « Reply #32 on: September 21, 2017, 02:08:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on September 21, 2017, 01:43:00 AM
    St Theresa of Avila was the granddaughter of a converso.  
    Yes, but the thread is for Jєωιѕн CONVERTS who became saints, so that would exclude St Teresa of Avila.
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     I know they must be genuine converts who became saints. I think that The Plot Against the Church speaks of some, but I haven't access to the book right nnow. Any other information?
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    Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
    « Reply #33 on: September 21, 2017, 05:56:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on September 20, 2017, 04:47:44 AM
    When she offered her unjust imprisonment and death for the conversion of her people.
    Don't you think it is good to pray for the conversion of the Jєωs?
    Are you inferring that she offered her death by her statement of "let's die for our people?"
    Yes, it's good to pray for the conversion of Jєωs.  That's why I am troubled by the missals that omit the Good Friday prayer.  The freemason who revised that out had an approximate 20 year pattern of change which ultimately culminated in the complete bastardization of the Mass--the novus ordo.
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    Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
    « Reply #34 on: September 21, 2017, 07:53:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on September 21, 2017, 01:37:01 AM
    I am talking to you. won't you join me with St Theresa Benedicta of the Cross and pray for the conversion of the Jєωs?  
    Rather than invoke a putative Saint who has various problems associated with her canonization, I prefer to invoke St. Vincent Ferrer when praying for the conversion of Jєωs.  He was known for preaching which led many thousands of Jєωs to convert.
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    Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
    « Reply #35 on: September 21, 2017, 08:48:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on September 21, 2017, 02:08:40 AM
    Yes, but the thread is for Jєωιѕн CONVERTS who became saints, so that would exclude St Teresa of Avila.
    :applause:
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    Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
    « Reply #36 on: September 21, 2017, 12:55:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on September 18, 2017, 10:56:42 PM
    The issue also is that St. Theresa Benedicta of the Cross, a discalced Carmelite nun, was put to death because of who her ancestors were.  
    She died because of who her ancestors were?  Good point, Poche. 
    Isn't one of the criteria for martyrdom to die for the Catholic Faith?
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    Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
    « Reply #37 on: September 21, 2017, 01:01:08 PM »
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    • Jєωιѕн converts would be truly hidden saints.  If a Jєωιѕн person converts to Catholicism then their family will sit Shiva on them and consider them dead so a Jєωιѕн convert is really putting it all on the line when they cross over to the Catholic Faith.

    If a Jєωιѕн person converts and their family does not sit shiva over them and this same convert seems to be on perfectly good terms with the Jєωιѕн community then watch out because that's just not normal unless the Jєωιѕн person has already explained that the purpose of conversion is not faith based.

    I would guess that there have been hundreds, or even thousands of converts who are now receiving the Beautific Vision but they would be unknown to us.  They would have converted and lived a quiet Catholic life.

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    Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
    « Reply #38 on: September 21, 2017, 02:13:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Capt McQuigg on September 21, 2017, 01:01:08 PM
    Jєωιѕн converts would be truly hidden saints.  If a Jєωιѕн person converts to Catholicism then their family will sit Shiva on them and consider them dead so a Jєωιѕн convert is really putting it all on the line when they cross over to the Catholic Faith.

    If a Jєωιѕн person converts and their family does not sit shiva over them and this same convert seems to be on perfectly good terms with the Jєωιѕн community then watch out because that's just not normal unless the Jєωιѕн person has already explained that the purpose of conversion is not faith based.

    I would guess that there have been hundreds, or even thousands of converts who are now receiving the Beautific Vision but they would be unknown to us.  They would have converted and lived a quiet Catholic life.
    To most Jєωs, it's more about culture and heritage than religion. Ergo, they might light a menorah or have a seder, but not tie any religiosity to that. A lot of Jєωs are very secular and wouldn't really care if someone converted.
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    Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
    « Reply #39 on: September 21, 2017, 02:49:55 PM »
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    • St Dismas  the very first Saint

    St Longinus (or was he Roman?)
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    Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
    « Reply #40 on: September 21, 2017, 05:30:54 PM »
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    • St Longinus was Roman. We know nothing about St Dismas except that he repented and was saved. "This day you will be with me in paradise."
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    Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
    « Reply #41 on: September 21, 2017, 10:43:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: OHCA on September 21, 2017, 05:56:21 AM
    Are you inferring that she offered her death by her statement of "let's die for our people?"
    Yes, it's good to pray for the conversion of Jєωs.  That's why I am troubled by the missals that omit the Good Friday prayer.  The freemason who revised that out had an approximate 20 year pattern of change which ultimately culminated in the complete bastardization of the Mass--the novus ordo.
    I am not worried. There is nothing to stop us from praying for their conversion. That prayer was for only one day out of the year while we can pray for them every day.  
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    Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
    « Reply #42 on: September 21, 2017, 10:44:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Capt McQuigg on September 21, 2017, 12:55:52 PM
    She died because of who her ancestors were?  Good point, Poche.
    Isn't one of the criteria for martyrdom to die for the Catholic Faith?
    If we die in communion with Jesus we go to Heaven.
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    Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
    « Reply #43 on: September 21, 2017, 10:58:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on September 21, 2017, 10:43:04 PM
    I am not worried. There is nothing to stop us from praying for their conversion. That prayer was for only one day out of the year while we can pray for them every day.  
    Because official, public prayer and profession = "we can, if we feel like it, someplace, sometime, maybe over a latte, chitlins, bagels, and lox"

    More conflation of the collective ("commuuuuuuuunity") "us", and the slapdash, "us" as individuals acting, praying, speaking, and thinking as such.

    This act very much, for any non-liar,  did stop us from praying for their conversion; that is exactly what it was, that's why "we" don't do it any more.

    But hey, as long as Christ hating Jєωs are "happy"...

    Do us all a "favor" sir, hoping that you aren't formally, officially, and literally one of "them", and stop emulating them, and dissimulating for them.

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    Re: Jєωιѕн converts who became Catholic saints
    « Reply #44 on: September 21, 2017, 11:15:59 PM »
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    • Exactly! Well said DZ

    Only one day out of the year...
    And that was too much!

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