Author Topic: Jesus came to save only Jєωs at first??? (Read 2097 times)

Matthew · « **on:** July 24, 2009, 01:02:17 AM »

You really ask the most ridiculous of questions, Uriel.

All of your questions have one thing in common: you seem to be utterly devoid of the Sensus Catholicus, or "Catholic Sense". You always approach Catholicism like someone on the outside.

And I'm not just talking about you asking lots of questions. Plenty of Catholics here -- of good will -- have asked many a question. And to someone well trained in the Faith, many questions can seem like a waste of time. I'm not talking about that, because I have no problem "instructing the ignorant" which is a spiritual work of mercy. But your questions are different.

My intuition says you're more of a troll trying to needle us, than you are an innocent Catholic wanting to know the truth. It comes across in your words and attitude, somehow.

I continuously give you the benefit of the doubt...

Anyhow, I will answer your question briefly:

No, because the term Zionist signifies one who is pro-State of Israel as it exists today.

Jesus was not for the ousting of the Palestinian people post-World War 2 for the setting up of a new Jєωιѕн homeland in its place.

At any rate, the Jєωs WERE the Chosen People. They were formed for centuries (just read the Old Testament) but unfortunately, as a group, they rejected the Messiah, Jesus Christ, when the time came. Some Jєωs did accept Him, but unfortunately many did not.

Matthew

Alex · « **Reply #1 on:** July 24, 2009, 02:29:00 AM »

The Jєωs were God's chosen people in the sense that they were chosen to produce and present the Messiah to the world. The Jєωs were chosen to bring forth the Messiah because they were the only ones who had remained true to the worship of God in the midst of idolatry. God promised Abraham, the first of the forefathers for the Jєωιѕн religion,"I will make of thee a great nation...and in thee shall all the kindred of the earth be blessed" (Gen 12: 2,3). God wants all men to be saved. Christ came to bring everyone to Him, first Jєω, then Gentile. So the salvation of non-Jєωs was always part of God's plan (even if the Jєωs had not rejected Christ).

Alex · « **Reply #2 on:** July 24, 2009, 02:42:48 AM »

Quote from: Uriel

MATTHEW

10 5 These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: Go ye not into the way of the Gentiles, and into the city of the Samaritans enter ye not. hos duodecim misit Iesus praecipiens eis et dicens in viam gentium ne abieritis et in civitates Samaritanorum ne intraveritis
10 6 But go ye rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. sed potius ite ad oves quae perierunt domus Israhel
10 7 And going, preach, saying: The kingdom of heaven is at hand. euntes autem praedicate dicentes quia adpropinquavit regnum caelorum

Expalin why Jesus would say this??? These were the words of Jesus...gentiles were, at first, not to be saved! These words, of Jeses himself, hurt and tear at my heart... a lot :sad:

Mother Teresa used to say "Love begins at home". The Catholic faith teaches us that your duty is to family first, then friends and strangers. Jesus was a Jєω. The Jєωs were His people. He went to His own first. The Gentiles would come later. St. Paul, a Jєω, would become the disciple to the Gentiles.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2009, 11:31:59 AM »

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Quote from: Uriel

Alex, are there any Bible passages, in the New Testament, that mention Jesus wanting to save the gentiles? Where are they? Anything? Just show me some proof please...that is all I am asking. I can not nor will not accept this on faith alone.

thx

So it appears you're unable to "become like a little child" and so when Christ said, "The Kingdom of Heaven is for such" he was not referring to you?

See, this is what I mean. You say things like that, which make you appear to be NOT docile (able to be taught) and of bad will!
I'm serious. I'm not looking to insult you, and I'm not mad at you, but just look at what you're saying!

Read the chapter on the Passion and Death of Jesus Christ to read about Jesus' love for men.

If you read your scriptures, you will find plenty of references to the Gentiles being called to salvation.

There is an order to things -- the Jєωs would be preached to first, they were supposed to convert, and they were supposed to help the other nations convert. The Jєωs were formed by God for centuries, and were given choice gifts that would make them excellent apostles: understanding of human nature, high intelligence, a strong liturgical/religious sense, etc.

To prove it, just look at how good the modern Jєωs are at leading men in false religions, including hedonism, materialism, and secularism? They are very adept religious leaders.

Who do you think converted St. Paul? It was Jesus Christ Himself. He wanted St. Paul to be the apostle to the Gentiles (=to convert them, so they could have salvation). If that doesn't prove Christ's universal love for all men, I don't know what does and I certainly can't help you!

You shouldn't be suspicious of God or His plan. He is COMPLETELY WORTHY OF OUR TRUST which is why I am disgusted to see lack of trust extended even to God Himself!

I know that many novus ordo priests have let us down, even many bishops and the Pope himself. But let's save a little trust in our hearts for God, please!

"Trust is earned."
Trust me, God earned it!

Matthew

Dulcamara · « **Reply #4 on:** July 24, 2009, 10:36:07 PM »

Quote from: Uriel

I hate evil in all its forms and to think of salvation 1st for one race of people and not the others upsets me.

If you think God is capable of evil, you've got bigger problems than this question.

Vladimir · « **Reply #5 on:** July 26, 2009, 07:58:39 AM »

I usually do not use the term "Anti-Semitic", but I think that it applies here (albeit, the term is horribly misleading). What is wrong if God wants to save the Jєωs?

Elizabeth · « **Reply #6 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:18:31 AM »

Tough luck, Uriel.

The Catholic Tradition of teaching the Faith is not even remotely going to happen according to your particular interprtation of the Bible.

A lot of the stuff I see here is uncannily similar to the shrieking of the anti-Catholic, Jєω hating posters at Godlike Productions.

God loves all of us and he wants every one of us to be saved.

This is what my little one is memorising, for her First Holy Communion:

1.Who made you?

God made me.

2. Who is God?

God is the Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things.

3.Why did God make you?

God made me to know Him, to love Him, and to serve Him in this world, and to be happy with Him in the next.

Vladimir · « **Reply #7 on:** July 26, 2009, 11:18:55 AM »

"Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" Matthew 28:19

Also note that Christ said this in Galilee, the port to the pagan world.