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Jerry Sandusky.....
« on: June 25, 2012, 02:29:34 PM »
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  • Does this guy deserve the death penalty or what?

    From where I come from, all points to a resounding yes.

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    Attorney: Sandusky to appeal child sex abuse convictions

    (CNN) -- Former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky will appeal his convictions on numerous counts of child sexual abuse, a member of his defense team says.
    After a trial that featured emotional and often graphic testimony from eight of Sandusky's victims, jurors late Friday convicted him of 45 of the 48 sexual abuse counts he faced, involving a total of 10 victims.
    Painful chapter closes with Sandusky conviction
    The eight victims who testified, now young men, said that they were boys when Sandusky forced them to engage in sexual acts with him. The acts occurred, they said, in showers in Penn State's athletic facilities; hotel rooms; and the basement of Sandusky's home, among other places. The abuse spanned more than 15 years.
    Praise for victims, jurors after Sandusky verdict
     Attorney talks what's next for Sandusky
    After being found guilty, Sandusky, 68, was taken immediately to the jail in Centre County, Pennsylvania. Judge John Cleland said Friday he will be sentenced in about 90 days. He likely will be sentenced to serve the rest of his life behind bars.
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     Sandusky faces life sentence, civil suits Penn. AG: Sandusky had a fair trial For Sandusky victim, a sense of relief
    Sandusky's defense team plans to file a motion for appeal, claiming he had ineffective counsel, defense attorney Karl Rominger said Sunday. Under Pennsylvania law, that motion cannot be filed until after sentencing.
    If Cleland agrees to a hearing on the motion, lead defense attorney Joe Amendola would step aside and appear as a witness, the attorney said. Rominger said either he or another attorney would argue the motion.
    The appellate claim will be based on Amendola's "talking to the media," Rominger said. And a linchpin of the appeal will be prosecutor Joe McGettigan's statements during his closing argument, when he told jurors that Sandusky could have proclaimed his innocence during an interview with NBC's Bob Costas. That violates Sandusky's right to post-arrest trial silence, Rominger said.
    Rominger said he will ask Cleland to sentence Sandusky to serve concurrent sentences, with the maximum being 20 years. At the very least, he said, he hopes to get Cleland to acknowledge the good works Sandusky has done in his life.
    Sandusky has a right to speak during sentencing, something Rominger said will be discussed in the coming weeks.
    Rominger said on Saturday that he and Amendola attempted to withdraw from the case before the trial, telling Cleland the day before jury selection began that they did not feel adequately prepared and that it would be "unethical" for them to move forward. Cleland denied their request, he said. Rominger said he did not mention the issue earlier because a gag order was in place.
    If Cleland denies the appeal motion, it would be likely to become part of a broader appeal, Rominger said. Ineffective counsel is a common appeal tactic, but a broader appeal may cite other reasons as well.
    "If you win on one of the appeal issues, everything probably falls," Amendola said last week. "All we have to do is convince an appellate court that one of the issues we will raise is worthy of a reversal."
    Rominger earlier pointed to "a lot of unique legal issues where (Cleland) made rulings that could be overturned -- not because they were, per se, wrong, but because the law in the area was so unclear."
    Asked about the appeal Monday, Nils Frederiksen, spokesman for the Pennsylvania attorney general's office, said, "We're not going to fight the appellate process with press releases. We're confident that everything in the trial was handled appropriately."
    Rominger acknowledged Sunday an appeal may present a tough challenge, as attorneys would have to prove they have significant evidence that could have altered the trial's outcome.
    And Cleland could easily rule that evidence presented at trial was so overwhelming -- the victims' testimony, for instance -- that it would not have changed the end result, Rominger said.
    Despite widespread speculation, Sandusky did not take the stand in his own defense. Amendola said after the verdict that decision was made because Sandusky's adopted son, Matt, was prepared to testify as a rebuttal witness that he, too, was sexually abused by Sandusky.
    As of Saturday, Sandusky was on what is commonly called suicide watch, Rominger said. That was not an indication that Sandusky is suicidal, he added, but Cleland and the jail warden just wanted "to put the precautions in place first and then evaluate later."
    The former coach will be classified at Pennsylvania's Camp Hill diagnostic facility before he is likely sent to a sex offender unit in the state prison system, Rominger said. If he is sentenced to more than two years, the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections would determine the prison where he would serve his time.
    Sex abusers prey on kids' trust,experts say
    Beyond the appeals process, Sandusky could face more charges, perhaps tied to claims made by his adopted son or related to alleged sexual abuse that took place outside Centre County -- including in hotel rooms in Texas and Florida, where some accusers say they accompanied him to Penn State bowl games.
    The university itself also still faces fallout from the case, which shook Penn State and raised questions about its response to the abuse allegations. Two former administrators -- Vice President Gary Schultz and Athletic Director Tim Curley -- are awaiting trial on charges of perjury and failing to report abuse. Prosecutors said the two did not notify police after former graduate student and football assistant Mike McQueary told them he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy in a Penn State shower in 2001.
    Authorities didn't learn about McQueary's account until years later. It led to the ouster of iconic head football coach Joe Paterno and university President Graham Spanier. Paterno died shortly afterward of lung cancer.
    'The Sandusky 8' describe seduction, molestation and betrayal
    In addition to the testimony from McQueary and a former janitor at Penn State, several victims said they were repeatedly molested on university property.
    How the Sandusky case unfolded
    In a statement released Friday night after the verdict, the school signaled it wants to seek resolution -- hinting that might include a financial settlement -- with the victims.
    "The university wants to provide a forum where the university can privately, expeditiously and fairly address the victims' concerns and compensate them for claims relating to the university," the statement said.
    CNN's Susan Candiotti and In Session's Jean Casarez contributed to this report.

    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    Jerry Sandusky.....
    « Reply #1 on: June 25, 2012, 02:53:22 PM »
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  • Why can't losers like Sandusky admit they're guilty and be done with it? His own attorney said that his client was found guilty "due to overwhelming evidence against him". Why waste your time appealing then?


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    Jerry Sandusky.....
    « Reply #2 on: June 25, 2012, 03:20:19 PM »
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  • Because he's a terrible coward.  Only a coward would prey on children like he did.  I don't know about the death penalty.  There's something about living with yourself (and thousands of others) in a prison for years that will give someone an incredible amount of time to face the truth of their actions.  Also, much time for repentance.  But I agree, he is a monster.  He has become a monster by his actions and he must pay for his sins.  And he will.  Death penalty or not.  

    It's hard to say this, but May God Have Mercy Upon his Soul.  :pray:  And more, we pray for the recovery and forgiveness for the souls of those who were abused and horribly damaged.   :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:

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    « Reply #3 on: June 25, 2012, 04:19:10 PM »
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    Also, much time for repentance. But I agree, he is a monster. He has become a monster by his actions and he must pay for his sins. And he will. Death penalty or not.


     The death penalty in my mind is more effective for conversion than being raped nightly in an American prison. I agree that this monster deserves the death penalty.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 25, 2012, 04:40:23 PM »
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  • It's funny...

    Trad Catholics will admit that homosexuality is wrong, and would say Homosexual = Pervert or Deviant but so many others, including Novus Ordo Catholics, won't grant that.

    Yet everyone is instinctively repulsed by Sandusky's behavior, and calls HIM a pervert. Why?

    Am I the only one to notice the HOMOSEXUAL element to Sandusky's crimes?
    These were young BOYS, not girls.

    I wonder how often pedophiles are actually homosexuals.

    My point:
    Traditional Catholics are more consistent. When you have a homosexual, he is inherently perverted; he thinks only of self-satisfaction and pleasure. Once you've reached that point, it's not that big of a step to victimize young boys. Especially since most homosexuals are MADE, not BORN. They normally "recruit" as a matter of course.

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    « Reply #5 on: June 25, 2012, 07:20:25 PM »
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    It's funny...

    Trad Catholics will admit that homosexuality is wrong, and would say Homosexual = Pervert or Deviant but so many others, including Novus Ordo Catholics, won't grant that.

    Yet everyone is instinctively repulsed by Sandusky's behavior, and calls HIM a pervert. Why?

    Am I the only one to notice the HOMOSEXUAL element to Sandusky's crimes?
    These were young BOYS, not girls.

    I wonder how often pedophiles are actually homosexuals.

    My point:
    Traditional Catholics are more consistent. When you have a homosexual, he is inherently perverted; he thinks only of self-satisfaction and pleasure. Once you've reached that point, it's not that big of a step to victimize young boys. Especially since most homosexuals are MADE, not BORN. They normally "recruit" as a matter of course.



    How many homosexuals have you actually known?
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    « Reply #6 on: June 25, 2012, 07:21:56 PM »
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    Also, much time for repentance. But I agree, he is a monster. He has become a monster by his actions and he must pay for his sins. And he will. Death penalty or not.


     The death penalty in my mind is more effective for conversion than being raped nightly in an American prison. I agree that this monster deserves the death penalty.


    I am certainly fine with executing him, but I believe the Supreme Court, for better or for worse, has determined that someone has to die for execution to be imposed.  

    Perhaps he can share a jail cell with Monsignor Lynn.
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    « Reply #7 on: June 25, 2012, 10:26:13 PM »
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  • The prisoners will impose the death penalty on Sandusky, regardless of what the state sentences him; and no matter how much the system tries to isolate him. The residents behind walls will find a way to get him. Sandusky will experience many agonizing nights anticipating his inevitable fate.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    « Reply #8 on: June 25, 2012, 10:44:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
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    It's funny...

    Trad Catholics will admit that homosexuality is wrong, and would say Homosexual = Pervert or Deviant but so many others, including Novus Ordo Catholics, won't grant that.

    Yet everyone is instinctively repulsed by Sandusky's behavior, and calls HIM a pervert. Why?

    Am I the only one to notice the HOMOSEXUAL element to Sandusky's crimes?
    These were young BOYS, not girls.

    I wonder how often pedophiles are actually homosexuals.

    My point:
    Traditional Catholics are more consistent. When you have a homosexual, he is inherently perverted; he thinks only of self-satisfaction and pleasure. Once you've reached that point, it's not that big of a step to victimize young boys. Especially since most homosexuals are MADE, not BORN. They normally "recruit" as a matter of course.



    How many homosexuals have you actually known?


    I've met plenty in my travels. I even know of one case where a teenage boy (a friend of the family) was victimized by a homosexual, and later went on to do the SAME THING to another poor boy. You can see how it propagates.

    Also, I'm well aware of what the "gay scene" or "gay culture" consists of. These men (and women) don't want to be married -- that's a media fantasy. For every gay couple shown getting married on the 5 O'clock news, there are 1000 others that are the gay equivalent of "swingers" or "friends with benefits".

    It makes sense, too -- their "union" is always sterile, and always will be. It can ONLY be for pleasure. And it's not even natural. The very devils, once they successfully tempt a poor soul to these acts, fly away out of revulsion.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 26, 2012, 01:47:26 AM »
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  • The media reaction to things like this is as confusing as their reaction to a black mob beating up whites.  They condemn it, but on what basis do they judge it?  I mean, i condemn it, but why should they.  Don't they really believe that whites deserve that and much worse?  You can murder a baby and that's called, "choice," but you can't have sex with a 10 year old boy, because that isn't "choice."  That doesn't make any sense!  You deny the baby can make its own choice and you say the 10 year old boy can't either, but the baby you can kill (in a very painful manner), but the boy you can't touch.   That doesn't make any sense!  I mean, i'm glad it is "illegal," but i wouldn't trust them with my kids, because i don't believe they really have any problem with sexual immorality.  

    If they've got no problem with sexual immorality and murder, where would they get off condemning rape, statutory or otherwise?  Outside of a cynical desire to politically mobilize feelings of fear, shame, guilt and outrage, in regards to rape (feminism), i can't see any reason for them to bother.  

    They take a healthy reaction to evil and turn it into something that "converts" all that good stuff, into garbage.  





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    « Reply #10 on: June 26, 2012, 11:55:14 AM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
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    It's funny...

    Trad Catholics will admit that homosexuality is wrong, and would say Homosexual = Pervert or Deviant but so many others, including Novus Ordo Catholics, won't grant that.

    Yet everyone is instinctively repulsed by Sandusky's behavior, and calls HIM a pervert. Why?

    Am I the only one to notice the HOMOSEXUAL element to Sandusky's crimes?
    These were young BOYS, not girls.

    I wonder how often pedophiles are actually homosexuals.

    My point:
    Traditional Catholics are more consistent. When you have a homosexual, he is inherently perverted; he thinks only of self-satisfaction and pleasure. Once you've reached that point, it's not that big of a step to victimize young boys. Especially since most homosexuals are MADE, not BORN. They normally "recruit" as a matter of course.



    How many homosexuals have you actually known?


    I don't know any rapists or murderers either.  

    Since when do we have to have personal knowledge to recognize perversion?


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    « Reply #11 on: June 26, 2012, 01:27:36 PM »
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  • If you speak to these predators, they take great pains to point out that they are NOT homosexual. Don't ask me their thought process. However, many of those in the mental health field do not believe they are either. Primarily because the male survivors of a male predator are young; usually 10-14. This is understood to be a completely different sexual attraction: attraction to children. A male who is in the above age bracket, being prepubescent, up to pubescent. What this means is that the male survivors are NOT biologically fully grown males, nor are they psychologically mature in themselves or in what is called psycho-sexual growth.

    So this attraction to young children, in this case boys is something that many normal, well adjusted person will in no way be attracted to a child of either gender. A child, folks. You are completely forgetting in this thread that there are plenty of girls that are abused by men and rarely women. So there is no homosexual component on that spectrum.

    I do believe that IS a homosexual desire that absolutely runs through with these male predators that go after a male child. However, there are many sexual predators who care not who their victims are: male OR female, they are not exclusive to just males. A sad example is that my best friend was married to a man who sexually molested her son, the predators own son--and all of his son's friends as well as girls that were in his son's friend group. Not homosexual by anyone's definition.

    Simply do not discount the male predators that go after young girls. Somehow based on what is said it would seem that many are completely negating the other subset of sexual predators, unwittingly. Let's call a spade a spade- a sexual perverts who is attracted,  rapes and molests CHILDREN of either gender is completely different that an adult person who has an attraction to the same sex or opposite sex ADULT. I may be stating what is not popular and following the status quo, but this is direct from clinical knowledge and those that I know personally who work with these mutants of society.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 26, 2012, 09:08:30 PM »
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  • Hello to all here.

    2 Big issues no one has mentioned.

    Sandusky is part of a ring operating in the E Pennsylavania area that sell children used in the sex trade for pedophiles, they operate orphanages, children frm troubed 'at risk' youth etc and how Sandusky got into contact with many boys.  I believe he was a fall guy.  We are talking some very big names involved.

    2. Sandusky comes from Jacob Sandowski-a  Fur trader who founded Sandusky Ohio who was a Jew.  
    You can see the resemblence in Jerry Sandusky to Mel Brooks, comedian.  (Many Jews are Neurotic and abuse children in far greater numbers than other groups- (Woody Allen, Friendmans et al)

    Perhaps someone can help me embed the photos, Im new here.    The resemblence is uncanny.
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    http://www.zillow.com/blog/files/2011/01/mel-brooks.jpg


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    « Reply #13 on: June 26, 2012, 11:59:38 PM »
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    Hello to all here.

    2 Big issues no one has mentioned.

    Sandusky is part of a ring operating in the E Pennsylavania area that sell children used in the sex trade for pedophiles, they operate orphanages, children frm troubed 'at risk' youth etc and how Sandusky got into contact with many boys.  I believe he was a fall guy.  We are talking some very big names involved.

    2. Sandusky comes from Jacob Sandowski-a  Fur trader who founded Sandusky Ohio who was a Jew.  
    You can see the resemblence in Jerry Sandusky to Mel Brooks, comedian.  (Many Jews are Neurotic and abuse children in far greater numbers than other groups- (Woody Allen, Friendmans et al)

    Perhaps someone can help me embed the photos, Im new here.    The resemblence is uncanny.
    Thanks



    http://www.zillow.com/blog/files/2011/01/mel-brooks.jpg


    http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/6-5-12-jerry-sandusky/12747773-1-eng-US/6-5-12-Jerry-Sandusky_full_600.jpg


    they're both polish, i don't know what religion sandusky's father was, but he's from poland and so is mel brooks father

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    « Reply #14 on: June 27, 2012, 08:45:32 AM »
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    The prisoners will impose the death penalty on Sandusky, regardless of what the state sentences him; and no matter how much the system tries to isolate him. The residents behind walls will find a way to get him. Sandusky will experience many agonizing nights anticipating his inevitable fate.


    There is a definite hierarchy among prisoners.  At the bottom of the barrel are child molesters.  Just above them are the baby killers.  Even the criminals know that some things are evil.  

    And because of Sandusky's position and high-profile life, he will constantly have to watch his back, literally.   Then he will be in protective custody, so nobody will "hurt" him.

    Sandusky is a scumbag, yes, but his conviction doesn't even touch the evil and sickness of it.  A District Attorney is already dead for uncovering whatever was going on.  Now we will never know the depth of it, because Sandusky will take "one for the team."  


     

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