[Capt McQuigg]

I wish to retract my first post in this thread. At the time I wrote it, I had been receiving PMs from someone trying to persuade me to quit CI.  I now question his influence on me and the decisions that I made under his influence.

Welcome back, JayneK!  

[hollingsworth]

jaynek:

I wish to retract my first post in this thread. At the time I wrote it, I had been receiving PMs from someone trying to persuade me to quit CI.  I now question his influence on me and the decisions that I made under his influence.

This is not good news, IMO.  See what I've trying to tell you all.  31 pages of utter nonsense over this person Jaynek.  Who cares about jaynek?  Why so much time attention devoted to her.  I have nothing personally against the woman, and wish her only God's blessing.  But really, this is insane!

[parentsfortruth]

I wish to retract my first post in this thread. At the time I wrote it, I had been receiving PMs from someone trying to persuade me to quit CI.  I now question his influence on me and the decisions that I made under his influence.

There are so many things that I find objectionable on this forum that I can no longer remain here in good conscience.  I do not want my name associated with it.

What is the procedure to have my membership ended?  Matthew, please ban me if that is what is required.

God bless you all.

Good, we won't miss you. Shed your modernism, and then come back. Goodbye.

If you've gotten rid of that modernism bug you've acquired and harbored, then come on back. Otherwise, your PMing "friend" is probably right.

[St Magnus]

How do you feel about the infiltration of FE Jayne ? Now that 95% of the trads are gone there, and  tranny runs the place ?

[Zeitun]

Does anyone know when the Church quit burning people at the stake?

[Incredulous]

I have a strange desire to quit Catholic Info too...





Coincidentally, I've been getting email news updates from the Angelus Press.


Their subliminal messages is... "CI is bad for my ecuмenical karma".

[Jaynek]

How do you feel about the infiltration of FE Jayne ? Now that 95% of the trads are gone there, and  tranny runs the place ?

I am no longer a member of Fish Eaters.  However, I have no interest in criticizing it here.

[Jaynek]

You need to quit the entire internet for a time.  I say this as a person who has had to quit things myself before, because they were bad for me, even if they were not objectively evil.  I had to tell my boss I needed to quit going to trade shows because I found them to be an occasion of sin.  Not everyone needs to boycott trade shows, of course, but I did.  In the same way, you need to quit the internet.  

I will be seeing my spiritual director this weekend and will probably be discussing this with him.  What do you think are the signs that I ought to quit the Internet?

[icterus]

I will be seeing my spiritual director this weekend and will probably be discussing this with him.  What do you think are the signs that I ought to quit the Internet?

I'd tell him how strongly you identify with the forums you post on, how involved you are in the conflicts that occur there, the degree that you think and worry about these conflicts when you are not on the internet, and the degree to which people you meet and interact with online affect you and how seriously you take their opinions.

Based on my observations, I'd think you'd answer those questions:

A lot
Seriously
I suspect more than a little
Apparently quite seriously

If you think I'm right in my estimations, then you might say

"Father, I identify very strongly with the forums I post on, to the point of defending them, apologizing for them,and  evangelizing for them, even though I do not own them and have no say in how they are run.  Incidentally, they are run by lay people.

I get very involved in the conflicts that occur on these forums, and I respond in emotional ways because as I said, I am very personally invested in these forums.

I find that I think and worry about the online conflicts when I am not on the internet at all.  

Also, recently, I received some bad advice from a person I interact with on the internet, and I found that I was taking this advice very seriously even though now, I question the wisdom of it."


Any spiritual adviser worth his salt should say, at that point "Jayne, perhaps the internet and these conflicts are becoming a temptation for you."

You can decide if my inferences from my observations are true.  If not, then by all means, join in the fray.  In any case, you are wise, wise, wise to take it to your director.  Best of luck and God Bless.    

[Jaynek]

I will be seeing my spiritual director this weekend and will probably be discussing this with him.  What do you think are the signs that I ought to quit the Internet?

I'd tell him how strongly you identify with the forums you post on, how involved you are in the conflicts that occur there, the degree that you think and worry about these conflicts when you are not on the internet, and the degree to which people you meet and interact with online affect you and how seriously you take their opinions.

[details omitted to save space]

You can decide if my inferences from my observations are true.  If not, then by all means, join in the fray.  In any case, you are wise, wise, wise to take it to your director.  Best of luck and God Bless.    

Thank you for these questions to consider.  I will think about them.  They seem very helpful.  Also thanks for your good wishes.

[Jaynek]

How do you feel about the infiltration of FE Jayne ? Now that 95% of the trads are gone there, and  tranny runs the place ?

I have been thinking about it and I think it would be reasonable to post the message that got me banned.  After all, it was meant to be a public post even though it got deleted. The context was a thread on a quiz about "How feminine are you?":

"Clare Brigid" wrote:

Well, my Column A score was 13 and my Column B score was 26.

I have much to learn, but life is an adventure.  :wench:

I responded:

It is all very well for Vox to say not to discuss transsɛҳuąƖity and just move on, but this poster (whom I refuse to call Clare any longer) keeps rubbing our noses in his decision to pretend to be a woman.

Impy you are not a woman and you are not going to learn how to be a woman, even if you do everything in Column B.  You are a man and I should never have gone along with pretending that you are a woman.  Back when you were a trad and had the assumptions that I do now, you knew that your decision to have sex reassignment surgery was wrong.  So that is the judgment that I am going with.  I am not buying that you have some new form of intersexed condition. There is no basis for this. You are a man with a psychological condition called transsɛҳuąƖism.

I was prepared to believe that your past mistake left you with the appearance of a woman and so you needed to live as a woman.  But, even if that were true, your appearance is irrelevant online.  Nobody is going to be shocked by seeing an apparent woman go into the wrong bathroom.  There was no good reason to give you an account with a woman's name.  There was no good reason for me to go along with pretending that you are a woman.  I am a fool for not realizing it when you were flirting with that new guy who did not know your story and he left in embarrassment and anger once he discovered the truth.  But I realize it now and I am not helping you to hide the truth any more.

I am sorry, Vox.  If you feel that you must ban me for this, rest assured that I will not be one of those people who goes around trashing you in other forums.  I consider you a friend.  And as a friend I have a greater responsibility to speak the truth to you.  The truth is that pretending that Impy is a woman is wrong.

[2Vermont]

Um, wow.  

[icterus]

Well said, Jayne.  Very well said.  

[parentsfortruth]

Well, that's a first step in the non-modernistic direction, JayneK.

[2Vermont]

I am going to make a prediction though:  Vox will un-ban you.