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  • It’s Official: John Paul II and John XXIII to Be Canonized April 27

    According to the Vatican decree: “Blesseds John XXIII and John Paul II will be enrolled among the saints on April 27, 2014, the Second Sunday of Easter, of the Divine Mercy.”
    BY EDWARD PENTIN
    | Posted 9/30/13 at 9:47 AM


     
    VATICAN CITY — Blessed Popes John XXIII and John Paul II will be canonized on April 27, 2014, Divine Mercy Sunday, the Vatican has officially confirmed.

    In a statement released this morning, the Vatican said that Pope Francis “decreed that Blesseds John XXIII and John Paul II will be enrolled among the saints on April 27, 2014, the Second Sunday of Easter, of the Divine Mercy.”

    The Vatican said the Holy Father announced his decision at 10am at an ordinary public consistory made up of cardinals and bishops in the Consistory Hall of the Vatican Apostolic Palace, during the celebration of mid-morning prayer.

    The news was widely expected. The Register was among the first to report the high probability of Divine Mercy Sunday as the chosen date when Pope Francis revealed it in a conversation earlier this month.

    Although cardinals and bishops vote on the canonizations, the date is the Pope’s alone to make, in accordance with his calendar and schedule.

    Vatican and Rome authorities will now set to work, preparing for what is expected to be an enormous number of pilgrims taking part in the canonizations from all over the world.

    An estimated 1 million pilgrims filled St. Peter’s Square and surrounding streets for John Paul II’s beatification on May 1, 2011. Even more will be expected next April, also because the joint canonization will attract thousands of devotees of Pope John XXIII, born Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli. Popularly known as “good Pope John,” the 261st bishop of Rome convened the Second Vatican Council.

    On July 5, Pope Francis both approved the promulgation of a decree paving the way for their canonizations and convoked the consistory. During a papal press conference on his return from Rio de Janeiro on July 28, Francis said both popes would be canonized together.

    He said that a joint canonization would be “a message for the Church: These two were wonderful, both of them.”  

    Divine Mercy Sunday was a special day for Blessed John Paul II, who established the feast in 2000. Its origins date back to Polish nun St. Faustina Kowalska (1905-1938), who had a devotion to the Divine Mercy after an encounter with Jesus.

    In visions and conversations with Jesus, St. Faustina said Jesus asked her specifically for a feast of Divine Mercy to be established so mankind would take refuge in Jesus. Blessed John Paul II died on the eve of Divine Mercy Sunday in 2005.

    The theme of mercy is also central to the pontificate of Pope Francis.

    As is well known, John Paul II also had a special devotion to Our Lady. His apostolic motto, Totus tuus (Totally yours), was inspired by St. Louis de Montfort and his prayer: Totus tuus ego sum, et omnia mea tua sunt. Accipio te in mea omnia. Praebe mihi cor tuum, Maria (“I belong entirely to you, and all that I have is yours. I take you for my all. O Mary, give me your heart”).

    Upon opening the rite of beatification of John Paul II, Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the vicar of Rome, said the motto reflected John Paul II’s total confidence in Mary and “the secret of looking at the world through the eyes of the Mother of God.”

    “The traits of his spirituality, to which he remained faithful until death, led to sincere devotion to the Holy Spirit and love for the Virgin Mary," he said.

    Usually, two miracles attributed to a candidate’s intercession are required to become a saint. A French nun who was inexplicably cured of Parkinson’s disease led to John Paul II’s beatification on May 1, 2011. A second miracle, which must occur after a beatification, involved a Costa Rican woman who was cured of a cerebral aneurysm the very day of John Paul II’s beatification.

    For Blessed John XXIII, who was pope from 1958 to 1963 and convened the Second Vatican Council, Pope Francis took the rare step of waiving the requirement of a second miracle, paving the way for his imminent canonization.

    Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi told reporters in July that a canonization without a second miracle is still valid. He noted the existing miracle that led to John XXIII’s beatification. He also pointed to ongoing discussions within the Church over whether it is necessary to have two distinct miracles for beatification and canonization.

    He stressed that, in any cause for sainthood, the Pope has the authority to dispense with the second miracle.

    Edward Pentin is the Register’s Rome correspondent

    http://www.ncregister.com/site/print_article/38961/
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    Its Official: John Paul II and John XXIII to Be Canonized April 27
    « Reply #1 on: October 06, 2013, 08:12:51 PM »
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  • Any Novus Ordo who wants to pray to either by all means do so.

    Because while you spend your time praying to them in hopes GOD may send his grace your way  We Catholics will be praying to The Blessed Virgin , St Francis of Assisi - St Anthony - St Dominic St Gertrude the Great  ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC

    You get the picture.

    We will see who gets their prayers answered by GOD.

    Pax Vobis


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    Its Official: John Paul II and John XXIII to Be Canonized April 27
    « Reply #2 on: October 07, 2013, 03:08:55 PM »
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  • The New Church needs new saints.  



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    Its Official: John Paul II and John XXIII to Be Canonized April 27
    « Reply #3 on: October 07, 2013, 03:49:15 PM »
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  • So, if we recognize Francis as pope we must accept these canonizations, right?

    Are the members of SSPX willing to do that?  Or will these canonizations be the straw that broke the camel's back?

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Its Official: John Paul II and John XXIII to Be Canonized April 27
    « Reply #4 on: October 07, 2013, 04:02:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: 2Vermont
    So, if we recognize Francis as pope we must accept these canonizations, right?

    Are the members of SSPX willing to do that?  Or will these canonizations be the straw that broke the camel's back?


    I think the SSPX rejects Novus Ordo canonizations, in particular the canonization of Escriva, so I guess they will reject the canonizations of John Paul II and John XXIII.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.


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    Its Official: John Paul II and John XXIII to Be Canonized April 27
    « Reply #5 on: October 07, 2013, 04:09:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
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    So, if we recognize Francis as pope we must accept these canonizations, right?

    Are the members of SSPX willing to do that?  Or will these canonizations be the straw that broke the camel's back?


    I think the SSPX rejects Novus Ordo canonizations, in particular the canonization of Escriva, so I guess they will reject the canonizations of John Paul II and John XXIII.


    But how can they do that if the Pope is the pope?  Am I missing something here?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Its Official: John Paul II and John XXIII to Be Canonized April 27
    « Reply #6 on: October 07, 2013, 04:13:50 PM »
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  • Am I correct in stating that no Catholic is obliged to pray to any particular saint?  Here are two whose intercession I won't bother to request.
     :confused1:
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    Its Official: John Paul II and John XXIII to Be Canonized April 27
    « Reply #7 on: October 07, 2013, 04:19:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: Frances
    Am I correct in stating that no Catholic is obliged to pray to any particular saint?  Here are two whose intercession I won't bother to request.
     :confused1:


    Of course, no one has to pray to any particular saint, but don't we have to at least recognize that they *are* saints?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Its Official: John Paul II and John XXIII to Be Canonized April 27
    « Reply #8 on: October 07, 2013, 04:19:10 PM »
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    But how can they do that if the Pope is the pope?  Am I missing something here?

    I believe they say that because of the changes made to the process of canonization after Vatican II, canonizations are no longer infallible.
    R.I.P.
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    Its Official: John Paul II and John XXIII to Be Canonized April 27
    « Reply #9 on: October 07, 2013, 04:54:45 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:I believe Matto is correct.  Will definitely check this one out!
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #10 on: October 07, 2013, 05:16:37 PM »
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  • Once the church started preaching the heresay that people of other religions could be saved outside the church (outside of Christ's teachings) they put themselves outside Christ's  church and therefore why would we be bound to anything they say or do anymore than we are bound to what protestants, Jєωs, muslims, hindus etc etc etc do or say?
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Its Official: John Paul II and John XXIII to Be Canonized April 27
    « Reply #11 on: October 07, 2013, 05:21:49 PM »
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  • So, once they are "saints", then confirmands can pick them, right?  Yikes.

    On another note, I believe Fr. Bourmaud wrote an article against the Newchurch canonizations.  I think it is on SSPX Asia site.  

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    « Reply #12 on: October 07, 2013, 05:41:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Olive
    So, once they are "saints", then confirmands can pick them, right?  Yikes.

    On another note, I believe Fr. Bourmaud wrote an article against the Newchurch canonizations.  I think it is on SSPX Asia site.  


    You pointed out something very important.  When the new church picks new saints that reflect the new ecclesiology and, implicitly, a rejection of the old ecclesiology...  Well, there you go.  

    John Paul II oversaw the church in decline and the sex abuse scandal really was born under his watch.  He also appointed Cardinal Bernardin and Cardinal Mahony and he promulgated the new code of canon law which permits giving the "eucharist" to non-Catholics.  Wow!  Whoa, Nellie!  There is nothing uplifting, except in a superficial manner.  And even the superficial stuff really shouldn't appeal to anyone older than 19, or, if theologically aware, older than 7.

    As for John Paul II's so called suffering, instead of seeing this as him carrying his cross (which is a very devout Catholic way to interpret his sufferings), we should really see him as King Nebuchadnazzar from the Book of Daniel.  He's the king that God made into an animal of the field.  He lost all his speech skills and his intellectual ability and was reduced to eating grass.  That's how we should view John Paul II's suffering.  His suffering became more acute after he changed Our Lady's Holy Rosary.  

    John Paul II's writing is just jibberish.  His speeches are muddled.  

    He engaged openly in syncretist activities and prayed with leaders of false sects.

    He promulgated a CCC in 1994 that proclaimed to all catechumens that Catholics and Muslims worship the same God and this "belief" generally can't be traced back further than Vatican II where it was inserted into the Catholic worldview in Lumen Gentium.

    Was he popular?  Sure, in a Kardashian kinda way - popular for sake of popularity!  

    And I'm probably forgetting about 50 or more theological abuses of the guy...

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    « Reply #13 on: October 07, 2013, 06:24:27 PM »
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  • It's heinous beyond words.
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    « Reply #14 on: October 07, 2013, 06:41:59 PM »
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  • Is JPII going to be the patron saint of Muslims? Or Buddhists?

    Or is it a toss up?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)