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Italy & gαys: a Constitutional High Court victory! At last!
« on: November 06, 2019, 12:00:55 PM »
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  • The Italian highest court, the Constitutional High Court, puts a tomb stone on gαy couples hopes of adopting children and on the use the word "Family". https://www.ilprimatonαzιonale.it/cronaca/consulta-boccia-omogenitorialita-coppie-gαy-non-sono-famiglie-134952/

    From now, unless Italy changes its Constitution, honosɛҳuąƖs can no longer adopt minors or use the term Family and all future rulings of lower courts must conform to this decision.

    The battle has been carried forward, and won, by the controversial and self declared fascist apologist party of Casa Pound. Casa Pound did not reach the minimum required votes to sit in Italy's parliament.

    Their political manifesto is very much welfare oriented, Italy first, ethnocentric and nationalist. Casa Pound proposes a Constitutional change to revert Italy into a Catholic Nation. Casa Pound also favours de-taxing and paying monthly contributions for each child born to families with two Catholic parents (attestation by local parish) until these parents remain married. In case of divorce the parents must return to the state 50% of the received bonuses. Casa Pound promotes making divorce harder unless the Vatican Sacra Rota annuls the marriage. They propose strict reduction in the numbers of mosques and making blasphemy and sacrilege a penal crime. Casa Pound promotes immigration based on relgious and professional requirements of the Country. They also propose that all Italian State highest Offices (President of the Republic, President of the Parliament and President of theSenate) may be held only by Catholics while positions in the Government may be held by any one. Casa Pound wants to make Latin and Catholic catechism compulsory in all schools.

    No Italian newspaper, no TV, no magazine, no internet portal... nobody has given this news. While Casa Pound is certainly a very controversial party the silence is incredible.

    I do not espouse fascist ideology and I am not in favour of social welfare but I applaud some of their proposed policies.
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    Re: Italy & gαys: a Constitutional High Court victory! At last!
    « Reply #1 on: November 06, 2019, 01:35:13 PM »
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  • Good to hear. Let's hope the right take back power(preferably minus Forza Italia) next election. 


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    « Reply #2 on: November 07, 2019, 02:47:34 AM »
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  • Tommaso, I have been meaning to ask you if you know Danilo Quinto, previously belonging to the Radical Party, now a devout Catholic.
    https://www.cruxfidelis.it/author/danilo-quinto/

    Also Franco Adessa, director of Chiesa Viva.

    A fine line up of Catholic Minds here:
    https://www.cruxfidelis.it/collaboratori/

    Is there a connection here with Casa Pound?
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    Re: Italy & gαys: a Constitutional High Court victory! At last!
    « Reply #3 on: November 07, 2019, 03:06:59 AM »
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  • Good to hear. Let's hope the right take back power(preferably minus Forza Italia) next election.
    Forza Italia are not moral conservatives. They are only conservatives insofar as the economy is concerned.

    F.I. neglects fundamental religious concerns. For example they neglect kingship of Catholicism in Italy, curbing islamic replacement, traditional family and I could continue.

    F.I. also neglects other ethical and non religious conservative concerns as, for example, sovreignty of Nation that they openly oppose.
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    Re: Italy & gαys: a Constitutional High Court victory! At last!
    « Reply #4 on: November 07, 2019, 04:11:29 AM »
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  • Tommaso, I have been meaning to ask you if you know Danilo Quinto, previously belonging to the Radical Party, now a devout Catholic.
    https://www.cruxfidelis.it/author/danilo-quinto/

    Also Franco Adessa, director of Chiesa Viva.
     I am not acquainted or familiar with these gentlemen, Cruxfidelis or Chiesa Viva organization as I lived in Japan for the past nineteen years and only returned to Italy two years ago. After initial review these gentlement and organizations seem Catholics antagonist to modernist ideas. Thank you for introducing them to me, I will read further.


    A fine line up of Catholic Minds here:
    https://www.cruxfidelis.it/collaboratori/

    Is there a connection here with Casa Pound?
    I am not familiar with Cruxfidelis and Chiesa Viva affiliations and associations but I doubt that they would - openly - associate themselves with Casa Pound. This would amount to "social and political ѕυιcιdє" (*) as Casa Pound political party is vehemently attacked by every other political party and ideological association in Italy, because of their open apology of Mussolini, fascism and racial laws.

    While I espouse many of Casa Pound's policies, their open apology of racial laws makes this party impossible to entertain to a Christian.

    (*) mind you, social ѕυιcιdє is exactly what Christ our Lord did and professed
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    Re: Italy & gαys: a Constitutional High Court victory! At last!
    « Reply #5 on: November 07, 2019, 04:56:10 AM »
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  • Forza Italia are not moral conservatives. They are only conservatives insofar as the economy is concerned.

    F.I. neglects fundamental religious concerns. For example they neglect kingship of Catholicism in Italy, curbing islamic replacement, traditional family and I could continue.

    F.I. also neglects other ethical and non religious conservative concerns as, for example, sovreignty of Nation that they openly oppose.
    Yeah, that's why I said preferably MINUS FI. If Lega and FdI gain enough support in the next couple years they wouldn't even need FI to support government. FdI have already passed out FI, and Lega are still spot #1.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 07, 2019, 06:24:09 AM »
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  • Yeah, that's why I said preferably MINUS FI. If Lega and FdI gain enough support in the next couple years they wouldn't even need FI to support government. FdI have already passed out FI, and Lega are still spot #1.
    Lega + Fd'I reached 48.5% in the recent Umbria regional elections. Umbria, historically, is perfect representation and predictor of National elections' vote. It has never departed by more than 2% (1979).

    With present electoral laws they would have sufficient seats to govern for 5 years without Berlusconi.
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    Re: Italy & gαys: a Constitutional High Court victory! At last!
    « Reply #7 on: November 07, 2019, 08:47:59 AM »
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  • The Italian highest court, the Constitutional High Court, puts a tomb stone on gαy couples hopes of adopting children and on the use the word "Family". https://www.ilprimatonαzιonale.it/cronaca/consulta-boccia-omogenitorialita-coppie-gαy-non-sono-famiglie-134952/

    From now, unless Italy changes its Constitution, honosɛҳuąƖs can no longer adopt minors or use the term Family and all future rulings of lower courts must conform to this decision.

    The battle has been carried forward, and won, by the controversial and self declared fascist apologist party of Casa Pound. Casa Pound did not reach the minimum required votes to sit in Italy's parliament.

    Their political manifesto is very much welfare oriented, Italy first, ethnocentric and nationalist. Casa Pound proposes a Constitutional change to revert Italy into a Catholic Nation. Casa Pound also favours de-taxing and paying monthly contributions for each child born to families with two Catholic parents (attestation by local parish) until these parents remain married. In case of divorce the parents must return to the state 50% of the received bonuses. Casa Pound promotes making divorce harder unless the Vatican Sacra Rota annuls the marriage. They propose strict reduction in the numbers of mosques and making blasphemy and sacrilege a penal crime. Casa Pound promotes immigration based on relgious and professional requirements of the Country. They also propose that all Italian State highest Offices (President of the Republic, President of the Parliament and President of theSenate) may be held only by Catholics while positions in the Government may be held by any one. Casa Pound wants to make Latin and Catholic catechism compulsory in all schools.

    No Italian newspaper, no TV, no magazine, no internet portal... nobody has given this news. While Casa Pound is certainly a very controversial party the silence is incredible.

    I do not espouse fascist ideology and I am not in favour of social welfare but I applaud some of their proposed policies.

    Wow....that's amazing that the high court in Italy has ruled in a positive manner on these things. If only such a ruling could be granted here in the U.S. The militant Sodomite agenda here is very powerful, unfortunately.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Italy & gαys: a Constitutional High Court victory! At last!
    « Reply #8 on: November 07, 2019, 08:58:55 AM »
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  • Why are you using the term "gαy" used by sodomites for themselves? "gαy" has a positive connotation to divert attention away from the true nature of the sodomite which is a perversion against nature. The bible calls those freaks "sodomites" and "against nature" and "reprobates" and "filthy".
    And the Lord said to me: A conspiracy is found among the men of Juda, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem. They are returned to the former iniquities of their fathers, who refused to hear my words: so these likewise have gone after strange gods, to serve them: [...]
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    Re: Italy & gαys: a Constitutional High Court victory! At last!
    « Reply #9 on: November 07, 2019, 09:07:43 AM »
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  • Just my opinion, but the term "gαy" only has a positive connotation to those who see it as positive. The term "gαy" definitely doesn't have a positive connotation to me.

    It is more accurate to use the term "sodomite," in that it describes the person(s) who have that particular affliction/sin, but we all know that "gαy" means the same thing.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: Italy & gαys: a Constitutional High Court victory! At last!
    « Reply #10 on: November 07, 2019, 12:28:38 PM »
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    Just my opinion, but the term "gαy" only has a positive connotation to those who see it as positive.


    And the problem is most people these days see it as positive or harmless. That's the point.

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    but we all know that "gαy" means the same thing.

    Too bad you can't see the psychological effect that euphemisms have on normies.

    Use the terms coined by subversives, and they've already won half the battle. Learn to think.


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  • And the problem is most people these days see it as positive or harmless. That's the point.

    Too bad you can't see the psychological effect that euphemisms have on normies.

    Use the terms coined by subversives, and they've already won half the battle. Learn to think.

    I know what the point is. You must be very young.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Italy & gαys: a Constitutional High Court victory! At last!
    « Reply #12 on: November 10, 2019, 11:05:56 AM »
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  • Why are you using the term "gαy" used by sodomites for themselves? "gαy" has a positive connotation to divert attention away from the true nature of the sodomite which is a perversion against nature. The bible calls those freaks "sodomites" and "against nature" and "reprobates" and "filthy".
    For three reasons.

    1. A good rule of apologetic dialogue is to avoid terms that generate emotional responses if the there is an alternative term that conveis the same meaning. Even if I am not making an apologetic argument, I like to remain as "conciliar" as possible towards everyone, to keep the dialogue open. Dialogue does not mean concession.

    2. God has every right and legitimacy to use those terms. But, since I recognize that I too sin, albeit in different ways, God may question why I point the finger against my brothers if I am not without sin. I think it was in John's Gsopel.

    3. What is the point of angering others for no gain to Jesus or myself? I hate the sin, not the sinner.
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    Re: Italy & gαys: a Constitutional High Court victory! At last!
    « Reply #13 on: November 10, 2019, 11:09:01 AM »
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  • Just my opinion, but the term "gαy" only has a positive connotation to those who see it as positive. The term "gαy" definitely doesn't have a positive connotation to me.

    It is more accurate to use the term "sodomite," in that it describes the person(s) who have that particular affliction/sin, but we all know that "gαy" means the same thing.
    Meg, Lesbians are not sodomites. The term sodomite represents only half of those affected by the Highest Court's ruling. One could use the term ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or inverted or ...
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    Re: Italy & gαys: a Constitutional High Court victory! At last!
    « Reply #14 on: November 10, 2019, 11:20:21 AM »
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  • Meg, Lesbians are not sodomites. The term sodomite represents only half of those affected by the Highest Court's ruling. One could use the term ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or inverted or ...

    You're right; thanks for the correction.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29