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Offline Cantarella

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Re: it is hard for a rich man to get into Heaven
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2017, 05:05:24 PM »
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  • then why does God (Jesus) mention the man being rich
    the man who is poor?
    this is what is wrong w/ Christianity in this country and eleswhere: people pick and choose what parts they will believe in and which parts they won't
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    One of the fundamental things that are wrong with Christianity in this country and elsewhere (and we can thank Protestantism for that) is that anyone who is literate think they can read a quote of the Bible and interpret it according to the own whim or understand it in a literal manner. However, the practice for Catholics has been different (at least before Vatican II). It used to be that we had a Magisterium to interpret Holy Scripture for us and teach us laity everything we ought to know.

    I believe the annotation I cited is the proper understanding of that biblical verse. The Church does not condemn rich people nor material treasure per se. There are many Protestants who have an issue with the pomposity of the Catholic Church. The physical splendor or our parishes, ceremonies, vestments, etc. There are some who think we would be better off demolishing our magnificent buildings and having our priests dressing in rags so we can use that money to give it to the poor (I would think Bergolio and his communist "church of the poor" is among those).

    This glorification of the poor is of communist nature; and not Catholic. There are some who are born poor, some rich, and many in between and there is nothing wrong with the differences. The Church has never taught that only the poor attains Heaven. Traditionally, only the religious are required to have vows of poverty, although we do find saints who have renounced all their wealth and embrace poverty and this is very meritorious as well; especially because it takes heroic effort to renounce voluntarily to the richness. Different from the poor, who convince themselves that they are better off being poor as if poverty would be an ideal in itself, just because they are aware they will probably be poor for the rest of their lives, no matter what they do, so they resign themselves, but given the option, the would NOT choose poverty. There is not merit on that! .

    Also, I don't think there is anything intrinsically wrong with a poor man trying to improve his quality of life for himself and his family, through hard and honest work, provided he does not commit sin in doing so.    







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    Re: it is hard for a rich man to get into Heaven
    « Reply #16 on: December 09, 2017, 01:32:58 PM »
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  • One of the fundamental things that are wrong with Christianity in this country and elsewhere (and we can thank Protestantism for that) is that anyone who is literate think they can read a quote of the Bible and interpret it according to the own whim or understand it in a literal manner. However, the practice for Catholics has been different (at least before Vatican II). It used to be that we had a Magisterium to interpret Holy Scripture for us and teach us laity everything we ought to know.

    I believe the annotation I cited is the proper understanding of that biblical verse. The Church does not condemn rich people nor material treasure per se. There are many Protestants who have an issue with the pomposity of the Catholic Church. The physical splendor or our parishes, ceremonies, vestments, etc. There are some who think we would be better off demolishing our magnificent buildings and having our priests dressing in rags so we can use that money to give it to the poor (I would think Bergolio and his communist "church of the poor" is among those).

    This glorification of the poor is of communist nature; and not Catholic. There are some who are born poor, some rich, and many in between and there is nothing wrong with the differences. The Church has never taught that only the poor attains Heaven. Traditionally, only the religious are required to have vows of poverty, although we do find saints who have renounced all their wealth and embrace poverty and this is very meritorious as well; especially because it takes heroic effort to renounce voluntarily to the richness. Different from the poor, who convince themselves that they are better off being poor as if poverty would be an ideal in itself, just because they are aware they will probably be poor for the rest of their lives, no matter what they do, so they resign themselves, but given the option, the would NOT choose poverty. There is not merit on that! .

    Also, I don't think there is anything intrinsically wrong with a poor man trying to improve his quality of life for himself and his family, through hard and honest work, provided he does not commit sin in doing so.    
    I seem to detect in your words (Sorry, God if I am wrong ) a disdain for poor people.. subtle though it may be. 
    There are those who are poor economically bc they are poor in other ways, meaning they do not have anyone to help them, they have deep psychological problems that interfere in living a "normal" life, the kind of life others live.. 
    I frankly think we SHOULD return to... if we ever were there... well, you know.. priests living poor. As it is, they live better than probably 40% of the population they "serve" and cannot relate to such things as: Father, I lost my job and cannot seem to find another. We may lose our house... and that kind of thing
    I have seen many, many priests who seem to be in the priesthood simply to serve themselves. Read Ezekiel 34 about what God thinks of that...
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