Author Topic: Isnt natural family planning birth control? (Read 1900 times)

Mercyandjustice · « **on:** July 31, 2015, 07:55:53 PM »

If a couple purposely does the marital act on her "infertile" days that's birth control, isn't it? Or is there a correct way to use nfp? Also, I read that NFP can only be used under grave or serious circuмstances and that the couple must first get permission from their priest. Is this true?

http://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/E037_nfp.htm
http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/k021pNFP.html

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** July 31, 2015, 08:07:48 PM »

Quote from: Mercyandjustice

If a couple purposely does the marital act on her "infertile" days that's birth control, isn't it? Or is there a correct way to use nfp? Also, I read that NFP can only be used under grave or serious circuмstances and that the couple must first get permission from their priest. Is this true?

http://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/E037_nfp.htm
http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/k021pNFP.html

According to Pope Pius XII, it can only be used for grave reasons. And, yes, of course it is birth control. Anything you do to remove procreation from the marital act is birth control. One of the things I like about Father Chazal is that he strongly condemns the use of Natural Birth Control without grave reason.

Mercyandjustice · « **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2015, 08:42:53 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: Mercyandjustice
If a couple purposely does the marital act on her "infertile" days that's birth control, isn't it? Or is there a correct way to use nfp? Also, I read that NFP can only be used under grave or serious circuмstances and that the couple must first get permission from their priest. Is this true?

http://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/E037_nfp.htm
http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/k021pNFP.html

According to Pope Pius XII, it can only be used for grave reasons. And, yes, of course it is birth control. Anything you do to remove procreation from the marital act is birth control. One of the things I like about Father Chazal is that he strongly condemns the use of Natural Birth Control without grave reason.

Yeah I kinda agree with you. I don't understand how using NFP just so that the women won't get pregnant is ok. (Unless under serious circuмstances of course). Although, some over at CAF say that marriage is "to procreate AND to unite the man and women" therefore, to me at least, they seem to be saying that it is okay to do...

Matto · « **Reply #3 on:** July 31, 2015, 08:44:59 PM »

Quote from: Mercyandjustice

Yeah I kinda agree with you. I don't understand how using NFP just so that the women won't get pregnant is ok. (Unless under serious circuмstances of course). Although, some over at CAF say that marriage is "to procreate AND to unite the man and women" therefore, to me at least, they seem to be saying that it is okay to do...

CAF is a Novus Ordo institution. They are not traditional.

Cantarella · « **Reply #4 on:** July 31, 2015, 09:37:29 PM »

Well...what matters is that at the end there is no baby when it could have been one so it IS a form of birth control. (What happened to the cute baby emoticon, by the way?)

Here is an excellent sermon by Father Chad Ripperger’s. Recommended for married couples:

http://www.sensustraditionis.org/webaudio/Sermons/Disk5/Contraception.mp3

clare · « **Reply #5 on:** August 01, 2015, 06:31:22 AM »

NFP is to contraception what mental reservation is to lying. A permissible way of achieving the same end as could be achieved sinfully.

Stubborn · « **Reply #6 on:** August 01, 2015, 07:24:32 AM »

Natural Family Planning and the Christian Moral Code - Written by a mother of fourteen.

Quote from: Fr. Wathen

Another concession to Liberalism was Pope Pius Xli's compromise on the matter of "family planning." He laid out certain circuмstances under which "rhythm," (the spacing of marital intercourse for the sake of the avoidance of conception) was not sinful.

This concession he publicized in the memorable Allocution to Italian Midwives in 1952. As a disparity of religion undermines the faith of Catholic spouses and their offspring, and the marriage bond, this artifice undermines marital chastity and the spirit of trust in God. Any act or non-act which is positively contrary to the natural and supernatural relationship between husband and wife, and the primary purpose of marriage, which is the procreation of children, is objectionable.

Moreover, instead of solving an imaginary problem for the couple, "rhythm" and all its variants, unfailingly creates an impossible situation for both husband and wife, to say nothing of putting them both in the state of sin.

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #7 on:** August 01, 2015, 08:41:32 PM »

The NFP method is not intrinsically evil. For example it would be legitimate for a husband and wife who were having trouble conceiving to use it to increase the likelihood of conception. It is evil when it is used to frustrate the principle end of marriage (procreation).

Disputaciones · « **Reply #8 on:** August 01, 2015, 11:15:19 PM »

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #9 on:** August 01, 2015, 11:18:30 PM »

NFP is repugnant. No Catholic couple should ever submit to this debauchery.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #10 on:** August 01, 2015, 11:19:54 PM »

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That guy is beating a dead horse. :roll-laugh1:

Disputaciones · « **Reply #11 on:** August 02, 2015, 12:11:34 AM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

Quote from: Disputaciones

That guy is beating a dead horse. :roll-laugh1:

Well yeah, it was meant for the title of the thread, since its obvious NFP is birth control, whether you agree or disagree over its morality, and it has been argued to death here.