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Is yellow race really like this?
« on: June 22, 2010, 02:56:37 AM »
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  •   I don't know if the word yellow is appropriate or not, it is just a rough translation of how we call people of Japan, China, Korea etc. no insult intended in the farsi equivalent.
       I haven't associated with them, but as our TV shows so many movies belonging to this race, all portraying them as cold and unemotional people who never open their hearts and just focus on work, suffer without any complaint etc. I have wondered if there is really some policy or some intention behind showing them as such. I doubt if it is really true, (maybe an exaggeration?)
      All movies coming from Japan and Korea share this characteristic, it is why I suspect if it has something to do with their nature rather than culture.
      Maybe Vladimir can clarify this?


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    « Reply #1 on: June 22, 2010, 03:05:27 AM »
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     I don't know if the word yellow is appropriate or not, it is just a rough translation of how we call people of Japan, China, Korea etc. no insult intended in the farsi equivalent.
       I haven't associated with them, but as our TV shows so many movies belonging to this race, all portraying them as cold and unemotional people who never open their hearts and just focus on work, suffer without any complaint etc. I have wondered if there is really some policy or some intention behind showing them as such. I doubt if it is really true, (maybe an exaggeration?)
      All movies coming from Japan and Korea share this characteristic, it is why I suspect if it has something to do with their nature rather than culture.
      Maybe Vladimir can clarify this?


    They are emotional people, but they are trained from a very young age to concerned with work (like practicing Chinese characters even when off school), duty to family, reputation and money.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 22, 2010, 03:13:55 AM »
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  •   I think it must be very hard not to connect and open your heart. It can protect us from damages in social life, true, but unfortunately they are shown behaving like this even in their family atmosphere.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 22, 2010, 04:55:00 AM »
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    They are emotional people, but they are trained from a very young age to concerned with work (like practicing Chinese characters even when off school), duty to family, reputation and money.


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    Maybe Vladimir can clarify this?


    Maybe he could, when he stops being a lazy loser who only studies for six hours and practices the piano for four hours a day after school.  

    I am allowed to joke about Asians, I went to a high school where I'm pretty sure white people were in the minority.  The Asian competitive drive affected me and I took like every AP -- advanced placement -- test known to man even though I was really a poor student.  

    However, that phase of my life quickly wore off and in my twenties I went in a bohemian, pleasure-seeking direction, because I was so repulsed by the drone-like money-driven Protestant blind work ethic of society.  I still am, frankly, though now I understand the more healthy Catholic attitude to work which sees it as a contribution to society and an earthly penance -- much more sane ( naturally ) than the American/Asian way where work determines your worth.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 22, 2010, 05:18:53 AM »
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  •    But Raoul don't forget that he has gone through much suffering. Honestly, if half of those problem happened to me I would have been died or at least lose my mind totally.
       Just because my parents fighted so much I got depression, while Vladimir has lost a sibling and is still able to work and play piano!
     Remember that he is very young. I don't think that I can ever have as much patience as he has, even in my old age.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 22, 2010, 06:41:18 AM »
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  • I have a lot to say about these questions. I don't have the time at the moment to explain in detail, but I'll try to answer your questions to the best of my ability.

    The short answer is -- yes, that description is true (although this is not the case in "Asian-Americans" or other overseas Orientals that have given up their entire culture and just maintain it as some sort of vainglorious status that elevates them above whites -- Orientals are very racist I think).

    More later.



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    « Reply #6 on: June 22, 2010, 08:22:40 AM »
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  • I think that a large reason why is that at least my culture is to entrenched in a system of tradition. Its hard to escape. Everyone just puts on airs in VN (and probably other Oriental countries) -- you're taught to do that, and no one is sincere. But then when someone is sincere, you automatically think that they are just faking... life is just about saving face. Even some people will go to Mass and pray the Rosary and have Masses said for people, meet the priests, etc just so they can appear to be holy in the eyes of other people. Families are all divided because brother and sister and cousin all form alliances against each other, but all of them just put on airs when they are with their elderly parents. There's an illusionary and meaningless attitude that you have to preserve your honor and your parents honor and stuff. Its absurd.

    Its a very sterile and formalized culture on the outside. Even inside the home its often very formal (not necessarily speaking for everyone, especially not many Orientals that live in America and were born here). I was born in America, but I've observed a lot of the "old" culture in my family (not so much my immediate family as my extended family).

    Personally, I think it's just hard for me to "open up" with other people. I definately reject all the false pride that is ingrained in my culture, but I don't want to reject my culture either. People like me are the reason why the bad things in my culture are perpetuated, because in the end, we just unwillingly consent to it. If I married, I definately wouldn't even consider (unless I was convinced it is the will of God) to marry outside my race (not even another Oriental, let alone a European -- I don't want to contaminate your culture).

    I don't know if it's just me or my culture had an influence on me, but everything that I've gone through has just made me even more unsociable and quiet (not online though, unfortunately for you). I find discourse to be difficult, unless its about spirituality (not the Crisis in the Church, but just Catholic spirituality). I doubt that if I was outgoing and athletic, etc like many people of European descent that I would be the same person that I am today -- I am largely where I am, in terms of religion, because of my personality...

    this was just my disjointed thoughts on this matter, I have many more that I will add later.

    Maybe Dulcamara wants to add something about Japanese culture.

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    Another big issue is that continual war for centuries upon centuries really corrupts the nature of the people in VN. They just become selfish and uncaring. They are blasted with visual, and sometimes vocal, propaganda 24/7 so some of them buy into it, others play the system, but I think at the end of the day they all just give up and fall into depression.



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    « Reply #7 on: June 22, 2010, 08:59:44 AM »
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    I think that a large reason why is that at least my culture is to entrenched in a system of tradition. Its hard to escape. Everyone just puts on airs in VN (and probably other Oriental countries) -- you're taught to do that, and no one is sincere. But then when someone is sincere, you automatically think that they are just faking... life is just about saving face. Even some people will go to Mass and pray the Rosary and have Masses said for people, meet the priests, etc just so they can appear to be holy in the eyes of other people. Families are all divided because brother and sister and cousin all form alliances against each other, but all of them just put on airs when they are with their elderly parents. There's an illusionary and meaningless attitude that you have to preserve your honor and your parents honor and stuff. Its absurd.


      So is mine. excatly! Just the moslem equivalent. hopefully the younger generation is doing away with this.
     My grandma told me that when she was young, even husbands and wives had to be somehow formal and closed toward one another. So if a woman had any "feelings" she would go ask her mom or some other elderly ladies but she had to keep it a secret from her husband.
      So if one was pregnant she would tell her mom and mother-in law. Her husband had to be infomed indirectly (he had to find her sewing baby cloths by chance!)
      Thank God it is gone now.


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    « Reply #8 on: June 22, 2010, 10:40:46 AM »
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  • Its difficult to explain if you don't already understand it.

    That sounds so typical (your story about pregnancy). This sounds funny to Westerners, but I wouldn't even be surprised.

    The West is too different, the cultures can't be reconciled, except in Catholicism. The reason why Catholicism appeals to Asians and Orientals is because its not a "Western" religion and its not one of the many empty "Eastern" religions -- its a perfect mix of the general spirituality of both the West and the East (West tending towards more concrete and objective philosophy, the East tending towards mysticism) on their own, both are useless and fail to answer questions about human nature, which is why so many false philosophies in west and so many false spiritual "gurus" and religions in the east.

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    To answer your specific questions:

    "cold & unemotional" -- Not really. A lot of the common folk like to be loud and rowdy. A lot of laughter when in the privacy of home. Walk down the street in any major Asian city and this myth is debunk (unfortunately, so is the one about Asians being polite).

    "never open hearts" -- maybe this just has to do with their individual temperement. People tend to have close friend(s) that they only take to, maybe its a cousin or someone outside the immediate family. I don't go and "open my heart" to everyone, but that doesn't mean I don't do it!

    "just focus on work" -- it depends. I don't even care about my school work since I'm only carrying out the tasks physically, while keeping my mind on more pleasant thoughts, like the Holy Family.

    "suffer without complaint" -- it depends. maybe some people do it, others not.



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    « Reply #9 on: June 22, 2010, 11:05:13 AM »
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  •   It is so good that at least one person understands this. If it was not cathinfo we could surely be called trolls for saying strange things.
      Iran is less eastern than Vietnam though, as it is located in the west of Asia. People who go to the church here are more expressive than moslems. I remember that the first time I saw a Jesus movie I was rather shocked to see Him being that open and frank, so was the case with my first study of The Bible.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 22, 2010, 12:26:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: spouse of Jesus
     It is so good that at least one person understands this. If it was not cathinfo we could surely be called trolls for saying strange things.
      Iran is less eastern than Vietnam though, as it is located in the west of Asia. People who go to the church here are more expressive than moslems. I remember that the first time I saw a Jesus movie I was rather shocked to see Him being that open and frank, so was the case with my first study of The Bible.


    As human beings, we have emotions, and there is nothing wrong with them.

    Man didn't get his emotions after The Fall. They were there from the beginning.

    True, we have a harder time keeping our lower nature in control now, but the passions in themselves are not evil. They are there for a reason.

    The passion of anger is useful as Righteous Indignation, or Zeal, and can motivate one to perform great actions to rectify an evil.

    The passion of love can help one to perform acts of charity (love of God and neighbor), and motivates young people to undertake the life of sacrifice that is called marriage.

    The passion of hatred, when directed against sin and evil, can be quite salutary.

    The passion of fear can help one to avoid things that should be avoided (such as skydiving, bad neighborhoods, etc.)

    Our Lord, being perfect and without original sin, had His emotions on a leash. He could give them whatever freedom He wished. He allowed His heart to be moved to sadness when Lazarus died, for example. He also let Himself become angry at the profanation of the holy temple.
    He was always 100% in control, however.

    That is a model for ourselves (though we'll never reach the perfection Our Lord had)

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    « Reply #11 on: June 22, 2010, 01:30:55 PM »
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  • I would recommend Fulop- Miller's book Power And Secret Of The Jesuits for an appraisal of the Oriental character.
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    « Reply #12 on: June 22, 2010, 02:10:12 PM »
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  • I think just like God gave different personalities and different gifts and traits to different people, He also seems to have given different "characters" or traits in common to the individual races. It's an interesting question... which came first? The cultures? Or the unique characteristics of the people?

    In my pursuit of writing well, I was made to consider this question in writing fiction about fictitious worlds. How can a writer avoid simply assigning random traits to a fictitious people? Then I thought, "Well, why is it that the different races of real life, or the different countries have the cultures they do?" On a smaller scale, you might as well ask why a person behaves as they do. It is, of course, a combination of their personality and their circuмstances... on the first place, WHO they are, and on the second place where they are (environment) and what has happened in their lives.

    So it also seems to me that the various cultures are most probably products of the natural traits given to a race or people in common, both in their gifts and in their flaws, and then secondly, environment and their history. So I think all races have their gifts and things they are better at, and also their pet vices, so to speak... things that as a people they have fallen into, in part because of how they are.

    The oriental people did not come from a predominantly Christian culture like the US. That's one important factor. And so think of the barbarian peoples of old, or other cultures without the True God... Of COURSE there are problems, and oddities and so forth, as superstitions and idolatry flourish, and also, subsequently, erroneous ideas about things like human nature and human life.

    If you don't believe that we were made by a loving God, that we are called to virtue to gain heaven and so forth, then it may make sense to such a one that money determines a person's worth, or class or so forth. And also, if you know that even God is a loving Father, by Whom all paternity was founded, then your ideas about family will be different. Rather than just raw authority... sheer power, like a dictatorship... there enters in love, compassion, and tender care like a careful shepherd, or one who gives much care to plants to grow plants well so they will bear much fruit.

    For the Christian soul, to look at God, God's will or God's perfections is to see the answer about perfection in practically EVERYTHING. So the absence of this knowledge can only produce a kind of blindness. Very few Catholics even, realize the truth about this. That if I want to know what is good, what is right, what is PERFECTION in any one thing, I have to look at God if I want to get the only perfect and true answer. We may take it for granted that we know what is meant by that, but most of us never look past the Ten Commandments in practice.

    But cultures who were not begun in such knowledge, or who received it very late, are already deeply rooted in blindness, and in the misconceptions and bad ideas that blindness produced in those peoples.

    Example. If I want to be a writer, and I have never studied the Catholic faith, I will go to the book store or library and read many bad books. I will read all of the ones on the best seller list, and study all of the (almost all bad) works of the best selling authors. I will probably buy into the idea that what is bad about those books is precisely what sells them, and that this is the ONLY way to write well, because for one without God, the measure of writing (as of many other things) will be ONLY how much it profits me. What do _I_ get out of it? How famous or rich will it make me? And so, if I were such a person, if someone asked me what is perfection in writing, or what makes writing perfect I would say simply, it's "whatever sells" ... whatever people are willing to buy, and most probably, that the bad things in most literature are what make it "good".

    But if a Catholic wants to write well, they can't think of it like that. (Heaven have mercy if they do!) The Catholic ought to know, if I'm talking about creating something... then I need to look at the CREATOR if I want to find out, not somebody's OPINION as to what is good or right, or what it means to do perfect work. I need to look at God. He is perfect, and so He will automatically be the picture of perfection in everything. How did HE create? He is the Author of Life. If I mean to author illusions of life (fiction), I can't do it on a model or way that is contrary to what I see before me, when I look at God. It's not a matter of what I want, or what I like. It's a matter of looking at perfection and realizing what it is in this particular regard, and then acknowledging that as the one, true, irrevocable measure of what I myself do. This kind of way of looking at things is totally foreign to many cultures who became Christianized only late, if ever (in terms of ever having it take very much root in that given society).

    This brings us back to the crisis in the Church, because without teachers to bring Christ and His spirit to these peoples in truth, they will never be able to truly live the faith. For many of them, it's a nice side dish, maybe even in addition to other religions. They like buddha, and maybe they'll think the Koran is pretty neat, and also that Our Lord is fine with them too. No sense whatsoever that one thing is real, and the others are not. What kind of culture will those minds breed, without the one, true Light? The kind of culture where someone makes a blasphemous comic book about Our Lord living in an apartment with buddha. To them, it simply does not matter. It's all just fluffy stories. Because they have never had it impressed upon them that reality is unbending, and all that matters, and that in that reality, there is only One God and Lord... and that they had better think again before disrespecting Him, or trying to replace Him.

    If the exposure I've had to their culture can be trusted, then yes, to some extent I think you can say that they are very reserved, very private people when it comes to strangers, and when it comes to professional settings, and formal settings, and public and such. But I think they have been perhaps slower to loose the natural sense of what friendship really is. They don't, for instance, make something sɛҳuąƖ out of having genuine care and concern for another human being. Unlike here, where if you care about anyone, it's automatically assumed it's sɛҳuąƖ, and that you are just in denial of your sɛҳuąƖity. Which is as stupid as it is sick.

    But this reservation we see in the Asian cultures, I suppose, is no different than we all were at one time. The US, for instance... Surely there was a time when men and women conducted themselves with great reserve in public, observed rigidly their manners with strangers and in formal and unfamiliar settings... According to one Victorian-age publication, I understand they certainly were not given to being open and emotional! A person had a circle of relatives and family friends, and only people could enter into it, who had recommendations of character from others in that circle or among their trusted friends. You couldn't just barge into a family by meeting them on the street. Reference of character seems to have been VERY important, or you simply did not associate with that person. (According to formal manners/rules of society, anyway.) Remember that there was a time when holding a woman's hand was second to proposing to her!

    So I don't think that being reserved or private is necessarily a bad thing. In fact, I'd say it's something most cultures are loosing or have lost, that they shouldn't have! How much trouble is caused by people trusting the wrong people, making bad friends, and so forth? And should we REALLY be emotional and open and friendly with bosses, co-workers, customers, and total strangers?!

    The Asian cultures also held onto respect for family longer than we did here in the US. It may be dying now, but they DID manage to keep it alive longer, and I think it still lives on in principal or spirit in a lot of young people who may not necessarily talk about it or give it much thought, but who may, when occasion arises, still give that respect.

    In Korean television, you will see younger people addressing older people with respect, sometimes in terms of family titles... An old woman is "grandmother" and an old man "grandfather". And the "good" characters treat them as if they really were! In Japan, an older male could be called by the informal title for "big brother" or an older female "big sister", and older woman would be "aunt" and a really old woman "grandmother". In the US, they're more likely to be "dude", "chick" and "that old geezer".

    But of course, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. And I think that precisely because of the extreme (and sometimes unnatural degree of) reservation and what not, the Asian cultures seem to also fall like anvils when it comes to the sins of the flesh. Not that Americans are pure as the driven snow, but I think you could probably find all new perversions never before seen by man if you go into certain circles in Asia. Those perversions are now rampant in their media, ESPECIALLY ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, transvestism and incest, which are increasingly in just about everything I have heard of coming out of Asia, and thus have become very popular perversions in the US among Asia-adoring teens, who prefer to talk about, write about, and draw and trade pictures of nothing else (but the perversions in those things). Who knew we'd see a day when a PERVERSION would become a cultural smash hit?

    I think that the reservation we speak of among the Asians isn't a bad thing, if it's used correctly, any more than it was a bad thing in the victorian age, when there would be hell to pay if a girl even thought about misbehaving herself with a man (or the other way around, if he actually tried). I think we could all use a little more of that, frankly. But unfortunately, that aspect of Asian culture appears to be falling, and as people across Asia launch their full-scale revolution on ALL restraint, sins of the flesh, and especially perversions, are becoming hot topics and hot trends in Asia, and are then spreading to the US, which simply adores it. (In terms of pop culture, anyway.)

    If you thought Hollywood was bad, you ain't seen nothin' yet! Asia is taking blasphemy and perversion to a whole new level... They're sharing with the U.S., too, and boy is it taking root!

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    « Reply #13 on: June 22, 2010, 11:53:21 PM »
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  •   I agree with you Dulcamara. Yes reserved and formal families do have greater purity, but also the chance of falling harder. To put an example of my culture: consultors tell parents to willingly listen to teens and let them be guided by a loving elder rather than by a bad website or a stranger. But as they are too modest (!) they never do so. So the teenage who sees only coldness, silence and reserve between his parents, is very likely to burn with desire as soon as the outside world gives him a hint of it.

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    « Reply #14 on: June 23, 2010, 05:49:32 AM »
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  • That was a good post by Dulcamara and it explains a lot.

    I agree that sins of the flesh are probably on of primary vices of Asia. It isn't even necessarily just limited to public cases like what Dulcamara wrote; I think that it can be apply to individuals as well -- if you know what I mean.