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Offline Malleus

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Is this modernist?
« on: February 10, 2015, 12:01:44 AM »
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    • There is a somewhat recent St. Augustine movie out there.

    There is a scene where he first meets St. Ambrose, and the Empress introduces them both.

    St. Augustine: I've heard much about you.

    St. Ambrose: And I of you. They've told me you're a follower of Mani.

    St. Augustine: That's right.

    St. Ambrose: Well, we have here a Manichean, two Arians, a traditional Pagan, and a follower of Mithra: I wonder where the truth is?

    St. Augustine: Or if man can find it.

    St. Ambrose: No Augustine, no; man does not find the truth, he must allow the truth to find him!

    The part in question of course is the last sentence, in red. Doesn't it sound kinda modernist? Man not being able to find truth? Truth needing to find him?

    The scene starts at 1:26:43, it's in Spanish.

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    Is this modernist?
    « Reply #1 on: February 10, 2015, 12:35:30 AM »
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    • Oh I hadn't noticed the same movie is also in English, here it is:

    My translation is a little different because I personally translated the Spanish but it's essentially the same.
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    Is this modernist?
    « Reply #2 on: February 10, 2015, 01:01:49 AM »
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    • St. Ambrose: No Augustine, no; man does not find the truth, he must allow the truth to find him!

    Finding the truth; letting the truth find you; either way you still have to ooperate with the grace that God gives you.  
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    Is this modernist?
    « Reply #3 on: February 10, 2015, 03:50:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Malleus


    St. Ambrose: No Augustine, no; man does not find the truth, he must allow the truth to find him![/b]

    The part in question of course is the last sentence, in red. Doesn't it sound kinda modernist? Man not being able to find truth? Truth needing to find him?



    Mat. 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you: seek, and you shall find: knock, and it shall be opened to you.
    8 For every one that asketh, receiveth: and he that seeketh, findeth: and to him that knocketh, it shall be opened.
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    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Is this modernist?
    « Reply #4 on: February 10, 2015, 11:15:24 AM »
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    • Well, I think it was a moving scene anyways.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 10, 2015, 08:41:53 PM »
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    Well, I think it was a moving scene anyways.


    I say this of the Spanish version though. The English one sucks.
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