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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: sedetrad on May 15, 2013, 09:33:27 AM
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It seems that certain “traditional priests” have the need to travel the world and become “rock stars”. The SSPX seems to be immune to this syndrome. The CMRI seems to be immune to this syndrome. The dynamic duo out in sedeland in Cincinnati seem to suffer from this syndrome. It seems that Father Pheiffer may be suffering from this also. What happened to doing your duty as a parish priest in humility? Why the need to travel across the world? I find this troubling. Granted, the majority of trad priests do not suffer from this, but it seems a very real small minority do. Please feel free to critique or comment.
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There might be, but I really don't think Fr Pfeiffer would fall into that category.
Were the Apostles rockstars?
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There's a difference between a missionary spirit and a rockstar spirit. I think some priests do have the rockstar spirit, but I don't think the fact that they are vocal and attention grabbing are the indicators.
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Fr Pfeiffer is not giving "performances" and hoping people buy a ticket and show up.
He's being asked to come to these places. In some cases, begged.
Not much of a rock star.
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It seems that certain “traditional priests” have the need to travel the world and become “rock stars”. The SSPX seems to be immune to this syndrome. The CMRI seems to be immune to this syndrome. The dynamic duo out in sedeland in Cincinnati seem to suffer from this syndrome. It seems that Father Pheiffer may be suffering from this also. What happened to doing your duty as a parish priest in humility? Why the need to travel across the world? I find this troubling. Granted, the majority of trad priests do not suffer from this, but it seems a very real small minority do. Please feel free to critique or comment.
Maybe you prefer the subtlety of Joel Jagger Osteen or Rick Wakeman Warren?
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It seems that certain “traditional priests” have the need to travel the world and become “rock stars”. The SSPX seems to be immune to this syndrome. The CMRI seems to be immune to this syndrome. The dynamic duo out in sedeland in Cincinnati seem to suffer from this syndrome. It seems that Father Pheiffer may be suffering from this also. What happened to doing your duty as a parish priest in humility? Why the need to travel across the world? I find this troubling. Granted, the majority of trad priests do not suffer from this, but it seems a very real small minority do. Please feel free to critique or comment.
What a ridiculous post. First, publicly referring to ordained priests of God as "the dynamic duo" is disrespectful and scandalous. Doing this publicly is no doubt a mortal sin.
Second, there are people all over the world in desperate need of priests and the Sacraments. If priests travel to fulfill their needs for Mass and Sacraments, you accuse them of being rock stars and lacking in humility? You've completely lost the plot.
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The dynamic duo out in sedeland...
Yeah, I've heard that same reference on IA from Tony The Hammer Malleus. Always referred to Fr Pfeiffer or Fr Chazall as 'superheroes.'
I didn't know there was a kind of 'be-paid-by-the-talking-point' thing going on.
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Yeah, I've heard that same reference on IA from Tony The Hammer Malleus. Always referred to Fr Pfeiffer or Fr Chazall as 'superheroes.'
I didn't know there was a kind of 'be-paid-by-the-talking-point' thing going on.
Is "Tony the Hammer" Father Cekada? This is the first time that I have been accused of being a paid shill. My post count is far too low for that to be lucrative.
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I don't know. I very much enjoy Fr. Cekada's books, videos, and pamphlets. Work of Human Hands is really good and, honestly, anyone who feels comfortable now at the NOM probably won't afterward if they read the book. However, I've often felt a slight sense of "cultishness" from the SGG group. I could be wrong, of course, and I'm sorry if I am, but that's what I feel. Additionally, Bishop Sanborn is one of the best orators I've ever heard. I think the "rock star" label might be a bit unfair. Fr. Cekada, for example, wants to get his message out and therefore has to use the internet to do so. I look at it more as a missionary endeavor. If people look upon him as a rock star, that's on them.
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Seems that "rock star" means "won't be bought and sold to the highest bidder".
Frs. Pfeiffer, Hewko, Chazal, et al will NOT be the victims of trusteeism. We are not, after all, protestants, are we?
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Yeah, I've heard that same reference on IA from Tony The Hammer Malleus. Always referred to Fr Pfeiffer or Fr Chazall as 'superheroes.'
I didn't know there was a kind of 'be-paid-by-the-talking-point' thing going on.
Is "Tony the Hammer" Father Cekada? This is the first time that I have been accused of being a paid shill. My post count is far too low for that to be lucrative.
:read-paper: Says the guy with over 1600 posts...
Sede, no one pointed a finger at you and called you a paid shill. But I must say, your response reminds me of the bank robber who gets pulled over for speeding and tells the cop "I didn't rob that bank."
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Yeah, I've heard that same reference on IA from Tony The Hammer Malleus. Always referred to Fr Pfeiffer or Fr Chazall as 'superheroes.'
I didn't know there was a kind of 'be-paid-by-the-talking-point' thing going on.
Is "Tony the Hammer" Father Cekada? This is the first time that I have been accused of being a paid shill. My post count is far too low for that to be lucrative.
No, he's refering to Anthony Malleus, IA's most charitable poster (NOT!).
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1600 posts
Those post were made over a period of six years. If I were a shill, my post count would be more in league with Tele's. I am not accusing Tele of being a shill.
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of 'be-paid-by-the-talking-point'
Sede, no one pointed a finger at you and called you a paid shill.
I guess I misconstrued the above.
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If you meet Father Pfeiffer in person you'll see he's more personable than his sermons suggest. He seems to do better in his conferences. Sometimes his sermons are better than other times.
The travel is pretty much a necessity given the nature of the apostolate.
In fact Father Pfeiffer really wishes there were more resistance priests willing to travel.
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When I met Father Pfeiffer he seemed like a very nice guy. He had lunch with us after Mass. Though I met him before there was a resistance when he was just a normal SSPX priest.
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Why did people in the resistance now, stay in the SSPX for the past five or ten years? Supposedly it's been liberal and they have been trying to make a deal with Rome for a while now? Why didn't they have an independent priest come until now?
Secondly why is there so much focus on what the SSPX does? If it's liberal, trying to make a deal with Rome, why spend so much time on them?
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Why did people in the resistance now, stay in the SSPX for the past five or ten years? Supposedly it's been liberal and they have been trying to make a deal with Rome for a while now? Why didn't they have an independent priest come until now?
Secondly why is there so much focus on what the SSPX does? If it's liberal, trying to make a deal with Rome, why spend so much time on them?
I did not notice that the SSPX was liberalizing until recently. If it wasn't for the internet I still would not know it was liberalizing because very little has changed at my chapel. Now, I still attend my SSPX chapel, though my eyes are open and I realize that soon, I might have to stay home alone.
The reason there is so much focus on the SSPX is because it is by far the largest traditional Catholic group out there with the most priests and the most parishoners.
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Why did people in the resistance now, stay in the SSPX for the past five or ten years?
At first it was changing subtly and the recent changes have been rapid.
It takes time for a shift in the leadership to make it's influence felt.
The slackening of the laity into relative indifference is the final step.
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Why did people in the resistance now, stay in the SSPX for the past five or ten years?
At first it was changing subtly and the recent changes have been rapid.
It takes time for a shift in the leadership to make it's influence felt.
The slackening of the laity into relative indifference is the final step.
Boy, that seems very familiar for some reason.
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Supposedly it's been liberal and they have been trying to make a deal with Rome for a while now?
Yes, there has been some slowly growing interior corruption in the SSPX for years, it just didn't become public until 2009.
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I'm sure I read about the SSPX trying to make a deal before 2009, it was probably 2005 or 2006.
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I'm sure I read about the SSPX trying to make a deal before 2009, it was probably 2005 or 2006.
It wasn't as obvious to a lot of us. Unfortunately.
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A lot of us have had to face the reality that many, many ostensibly traditional priests are not true friends of Tradition. There have been so many spiritual and personal betrayals over the years that it is a severe temptation to be scandalized.
We must avoid cynicism.
Father Pfeiffer, in standing up to Bishop Fellay, undeniably did the right thing.
He's taken a big risk, and he's a kind-hearted soul.
No one is perfect, but we're very lucky to have him.
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I don't really see any liberalizing in the St. Louis chapel.
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I don't really see any liberalizing in the St. Louis chapel.
Decisive changes don't aren't always visible at first. Liberalizing doesn't make a show of itself at first. It's what happens behind the curtains that starts the process rolling.
I've seen enough to be convinced. Ask yourself, what are they not doing.
And also realize they will, just as the NO does, adjust the message to the audience to keep people in the pews.
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I agree with Mithrandylan -- there's a difference between a Rock Star and a Missionary.
If you've ever met him in person, you know what kind of true missionary he is. He's very human and approachable. He's not a hypocrite, that's for sure. He's very down-to-earth.
Fr. Pfeiffer truly believes he's doing the right thing. He's certainly of good will, whatever his flaws might be.
He's full of missionary zeal and energy. At least he's putting it to action, and doing the best he can with what he has -- again, according to the lights he's received. He's not God, and can't be expected to be perfectly omniscient.
Someone pointed out (rightly) that Fr. Pfeiffer WANTS other priests to join the resistance so that he'll have less to do. That doesn't sound like a narcissistic rock star to me. He just wants to see the Church in as good a condition as possible. He realizes there is only so much he can do alone.
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Speaking of international Rock Stars... building empires.
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This is a silly thread. Priests are not rock stars. They need a certain amount of notoriety to do there work. Rock stars are generallyppursuing an evil lifestyle.
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This is a silly thread. Priests are not rock stars. They need a certain amount of notoriety to do there work. Rock stars are generallyppursuing an evil lifestyle.
Rock star is an exaggeration of course.
Maybe "vain personality" is a better description?
We certainly hope this doesn't happen to our priests, but when there are signs that they've lost interest in souls, something else is going on.
What is best for the multitude of souls?
It sure isn't giving away all your resources to newChurch.
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:guitar: :applause: :rahrah: There is no rock star syndrome. There's a groupie syndrome. Fr. Pfeiffer is not traveling the world because he likes it. In fact, he dislikes it. How many rock stars travel halfway across the globe for the sake of "performing" for a few dozen people scattered all over various continents? In total, perhaps a couple of thousand fans have come to hear Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Chazal, Bishop Williamson. How many rock stars go for nights on end with little sleep, inconsistant diets, used clothing, fleabag motels, makeshift "stages" on which to perform, unreliable roadies, no roadies...Rock stars don't sleep in tiny rental or borrowed compact cars. Yes, Fr. Pfeiffer is an extrovert with a dynamic personalty, but he isn't the savior of Tradition. Bishop Williamson hasn't been canonized yet. We need to trust in Our Lord and Our Lady. Those who expect to ride to Heaven on the cassock hems of a handful of priests will be be disappointed.
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Well said Lady Frances!
And it appears the SSPX-SO travels are having a gradual impact on the credibility of the neoSSPX.
As Bp. Williamson has always said: If someone is selling the Truth that "2+2 = 4", it could eventually put you "out of business" if you're trying to sell the crowds on 2+2=5".
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Yeah, I've heard that same reference on IA from Tony The Hammer Malleus. Always referred to Fr Pfeiffer or Fr Chazall as 'superheroes.'
I didn't know there was a kind of 'be-paid-by-the-talking-point' thing going on.
Is "Tony the Hammer" Father Cekada? This is the first time that I have been accused of being a paid shill. My post count is far too low for that to be lucrative.
:read-paper: Says the guy with over 1600 posts...
Sede, no one pointed a finger at you and called you a paid shill. But I must say, your response reminds me of the bank robber who gets pulled over for speeding and tells the cop "I didn't rob that bank."
Well, I have 4000 posts, and I am not getting paid for them. If someone would like to make me an offer, however... :smile:
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I'm copying this from another thread, but it's applicable.
I'm getting the feeling that there is a large bounty of sour grapes making its way through the CI winery. Fortunately, the more discriminating of us see the difference.
It's like this: Father Pfeiffer is one of those rare breeds - a missionary priest - who takes the message to the people. He travels; he's not one to stay put in Kentucky. He's someplace today and tonight but tomorrow he vacates the environs and motors towards Gotham. Simple enough to understand, right?
There's a lot of ground to cover. The world is a big place after all. North Americans aren't the only ones with the exclusive rights to the Resistance priests. It's only us Americans who maintain this notion that we are entitled above all other nations for the attention. He travels for the good of God; not to travel to some out of the way place in Podunk New Jersey so someone can have him do a Mass at a private residence where no one else is invited. He doesn't do the one-on-one thing unless it's in a confessional. You want him to do Mass in your area? Get a chapel going. They did it in Post Falls at a freaking VFW. Sincerity counts and Fr Pfeiffer (and Bishop Williamson) responds to that. Just saying.
Here's another reason. Hate to bring this up but it's an inescapable truth: Pablo got harassed off CI and that did not go unnoticed. Yeah, I sparred with the guy too, but not at the level to where banning was the only option. Do the math, connect the dots, shake the Magic Hate Ball - Pablo was/is Fr Pfeiffer's administrator and Man Friday. When he was attacked and banned, it effectively cut off any and all access to Fr Pfeiffer. That explains why your hometown is not on that tour t-shirt as referenced on the 'rock star' thread.
There was a kind of sotto voce implication somewhere implying that these 'rock star' priests may have been getting tour money by less than reputable means. That is no one's business. Donations made for the work of God will be blessed if that work is honest and productive and those who use monies in order to operate in less than charitable means will be punished for it. Don't you think so? If there is doubt, maybe one should log off for a while, says some prayers and meditate or be mindful of the behavior involved in somewhat flimsy unproven assumptions.
So, when you have two options, which will you go with? Pfeiffer 2013 or BYOB?
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It's only us Americans who maintain this notion that we are entitled above all other nations for the attention. He travels for the good of God; not to travel to some out of the way place in Podunk New Jersey so someone can have him do a Mass at a private residence where no one else is invited. He doesn't do the one-on-one thing unless it's in a confessional. You want him to do Mass in your area? Get a chapel going. They did it in Post Falls at a freaking VFW. Sincerity counts and Fr Pfeiffer (and Bishop Williamson) responds to that. Just saying.
Here's another reason. Hate to bring this up but it's an inescapable truth: Pablo got harassed off CI and that did not go unnoticed. Yeah, I sparred with the guy too, but not at the level to where banning was the only option. Do the math, connect the dots, shake the Magic Hate Ball - Pablo was/is Fr Pfeiffer's administrator and Man Friday. When he was attacked and banned, it effectively cut off any and all access to Fr Pfeiffer. That explains why your hometown is not on that tour t-shirt as referenced on the 'rock star' thread.
Easier said than done.
I *did* organize a chapel with a spacious, new permanent location, equipment, and people. Still no priest since the Friday after Ash Wednesday.
And we're not in the boonies. We're right smack in the major population corridor in Texas. We publicly advertised the one Mass we had, and we already have plenty of support here -- now if we could ever have another Mass...
As for Pablo, I only had to distance CathInfo (and whatever part of the Resistance I have any influence over) from a man whose formation as a Catholic has serious defects. No one can lend out his services to fight devils for 3rd parties, bringing a boom box (etc.) to keep himself company as he does a "stakeout" waiting for the devil to manifest himself, and be considered well-adjusted or normal in anyone's book.
Such a man might be tolerated at a chapel (he does have a soul to save, after all!) but having such a man be your ADMINISTRATOR? Your SPOKESMAN? Your MEDIATOR WITH THE PUBLIC? Have his name and likeness on all official docuмents of something as critically important as the Resistance? That's another story!
For the love of the Catholic Church, souls, and the Catholic Resistance (against liberalism and modernism), I did what I had to do. In fact, I pray and beg that God will give me the full reward for that deed. I look forward to receiving it.
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I did what I had to do.
And that was perfectly within your right, Matthew. As I was discussing with someone earlier today, not everything is a democracy. No one should dispute how you run YOUR website. You did what you felt was right. I'm just saying it was a consequence.
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I did what I had to do.
And that was perfectly within your right, Matthew. As I was discussing with someone earlier today, not everything is a democracy. No one should dispute how you run YOUR website. You did what you felt was right. I'm just saying it was a consequence.
Actually, (and this has come up before), I don't think Fr. Pfeiffer would be so petty as to not consider coming here just because of what happened to Pablo.
I give him more credit than that. Everyone else should too!
If he can't come here, he has his reason(s). I give him the benefit of the doubt as a Catholic that he isn't being vindictive. I don't think that sounds like Fr. Pfeiffer anyhow.
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All that said...
Father Pfeiffer still needs to find a talented administrator for the SSPX-SO's daily operations.
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My understanding is that there is a lack of available talent among dedicated, loyal, MEN who have the time and interest in providing this service to Father and the Resistance.
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My understanding is that there is a lack of available talent among dedicated, loyal, MEN who have the time and interest in providing this service to Father and the Resistance.
I don't believe that.
A certain Plumber would have you think that, and he might believe himself that it's true, but that doesn't make it objectively true.
I think sometimes there's plenty of talent and willing volunteers, but the job is ALREADY TAKEN or PERCEIVED AS TAKEN and so the leader goes on with his dry martyrdom, not knowing that firing his incapable employee might be the best thing for his organization.
In other words, hanging on to a non-desirable employee can sometimes result in a self-fulfilling prophecy that "I can't find any better workers".
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Amazing how Pablo can be a nexus for discord even in absentia! Poor guy — I hope he gets his head straight.
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It's only us Americans who maintain this notion that we are entitled above all other nations for the attention. He travels for the good of God; not to travel to some out of the way place in Podunk New Jersey so someone can have him do a Mass at a private residence where no one else is invited. He doesn't do the one-on-one thing unless it's in a confessional. You want him to do Mass in your area? Get a chapel going. They did it in Post Falls at a freaking VFW. Sincerity counts and Fr Pfeiffer (and Bishop Williamson) responds to that. Just saying.
Here's another reason. Hate to bring this up but it's an inescapable truth: Pablo got harassed off CI and that did not go unnoticed. Yeah, I sparred with the guy too, but not at the level to where banning was the only option. Do the math, connect the dots, shake the Magic Hate Ball - Pablo was/is Fr Pfeiffer's administrator and Man Friday. When he was attacked and banned, it effectively cut off any and all access to Fr Pfeiffer. That explains why your hometown is not on that tour t-shirt as referenced on the 'rock star' thread.
Easier said than done.
I *did* organize a chapel with a spacious, new permanent location, equipment, and people. Still no priest since the Friday after Ash Wednesday.
And we're not in the boonies. We're right smack in the major population corridor in Texas. We publicly advertised the one Mass we had, and we already have plenty of support here -- now if we could ever have another Mass...
As for Pablo, I only had to distance CathInfo (and whatever part of the Resistance I have any influence over) from a man whose formation as a Catholic has serious defects. No one can lend out his services to fight devils for 3rd parties, bringing a boom box (etc.) to keep himself company as he does a "stakeout" waiting for the devil to manifest himself, and be considered well-adjusted or normal in anyone's book.
Such a man might be tolerated at a chapel (he does have a soul to save, after all!) but having such a man be your ADMINISTRATOR? Your SPOKESMAN? Your MEDIATOR WITH THE PUBLIC? Have his name and likeness on all official docuмents of something as critically important as the Resistance? That's another story!
For the love of the Catholic Church, souls, and the Catholic Resistance (against liberalism and modernism), I did what I had to do. In fact, I pray and beg that God will give me the full reward for that deed. I look forward to receiving it.
Pablo is a nice man and he does not deserve this.
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:guitar: :applause: :rahrah: There is no rock star syndrome. There's a groupie syndrome. Fr. Pfeiffer is not traveling the world because he likes it. In fact, he dislikes it. How many rock stars travel halfway across the globe for the sake of "performing" for a few dozen people scattered all over various continents? In total, perhaps a couple of thousand fans have come to hear Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Chazal, Bishop Williamson. How many rock stars go for nights on end with little sleep, inconsistant diets, used clothing, fleabag motels, makeshift "stages" on which to perform, unreliable roadies, no roadies...Rock stars don't sleep in tiny rental or borrowed compact cars. Yes, Fr. Pfeiffer is an extrovert with a dynamic personalty, but he isn't the savior of Tradition. Bishop Williamson hasn't been canonized yet. We need to trust in Our Lord and Our Lady. Those who expect to ride to Heaven on the cassock hems of a handful of priests will be be disappointed.
I look at their schedule (just seeing part of it for one day!) and it makes me tired. Seriously I need to relax a bit after taking a trip to Wal-Mart. I can't imagine the toll it takes on priest who travel and have to be on their best to say Mass, counsel people, have their best foot forward, and those who do it year after year.
Trad ladies out there offering hospitality, you are really doing a wonderful work.
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It's only us Americans who maintain this notion that we are entitled above all other nations for the attention. He travels for the good of God; not to travel to some out of the way place in Podunk New Jersey so someone can have him do a Mass at a private residence where no one else is invited. He doesn't do the one-on-one thing unless it's in a confessional. You want him to do Mass in your area? Get a chapel going. They did it in Post Falls at a freaking VFW. Sincerity counts and Fr Pfeiffer (and Bishop Williamson) responds to that. Just saying.
Here's another reason. Hate to bring this up but it's an inescapable truth: Pablo got harassed off CI and that did not go unnoticed. Yeah, I sparred with the guy too, but not at the level to where banning was the only option. Do the math, connect the dots, shake the Magic Hate Ball - Pablo was/is Fr Pfeiffer's administrator and Man Friday. When he was attacked and banned, it effectively cut off any and all access to Fr Pfeiffer. That explains why your hometown is not on that tour t-shirt as referenced on the 'rock star' thread.
Easier said than done.
I *did* organize a chapel with a spacious, new permanent location, equipment, and people. Still no priest since the Friday after Ash Wednesday.
And we're not in the boonies. We're right smack in the major population corridor in Texas. We publicly advertised the one Mass we had, and we already have plenty of support here -- now if we could ever have another Mass...
As for Pablo, I only had to distance CathInfo (and whatever part of the Resistance I have any influence over) from a man whose formation as a Catholic has serious defects. No one can lend out his services to fight devils for 3rd parties, bringing a boom box (etc.) to keep himself company as he does a "stakeout" waiting for the devil to manifest himself, and be considered well-adjusted or normal in anyone's book.
Such a man might be tolerated at a chapel (he does have a soul to save, after all!) but having such a man be your ADMINISTRATOR? Your SPOKESMAN? Your MEDIATOR WITH THE PUBLIC? Have his name and likeness on all official docuмents of something as critically important as the Resistance? That's another story!
For the love of the Catholic Church, souls, and the Catholic Resistance (against liberalism and modernism), I did what I had to do. In fact, I pray and beg that God will give me the full reward for that deed. I look forward to receiving it.
Pablo is a nice man and he does not deserve this.
No one is saying he isn't a nice man, but he is clearly not a well man. This is clear event to someone like me who has no foot in either the SSPX or SSPX-SO camp. Someone who is not a priest, let alone a priest with a canonical mission to do so, who presumes to undertake exorcisms is really troubles and confused at the very least.
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1. I don't disagree that Pablo is a nice man. That doesn't mean you hire him to be your spokesman. Some people on here are practically deaf they're so stubborn on this point, and it's getting quite frustrating.
2. I would even concede that he wasn't doing actual exorcisms. But what he was doing was some bizarre hybrid between what a layman can/should do, and what a priest would do. It's about his bearing, attitude, and frame of mind. It's about how he sees himself, and how he passes himself off. To any impartial observer, it is clear to see that he is not of sound mind, and/or he doesn't have a proper Catholic sense. That's not an insult; that's a fact.
Someone with even the smallest mental health issues (though mental illness isn't a person's fault!), or issues with their Catholic knowledge or training, should NOT be the front man for an important Traditional Catholic organization.
It's as simple as that.
God loves those with mental illness. They can be very good people. But God doesn't call ANY of them to be Priests. Understand the difference?
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Pretty low to say Pablo is mentally ill.
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I wonder if Pablo's exorcisms were effective.
I know he is not a priest, but if he was in the state of grace, maybe God would answer his prayers.
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The man is helping people get the sacraments and solid teaching and you are wrong to say these things about him.
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I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't know better.
I'm assuming he isn't doing it out of pride, vainglory, cynicism, malice, etc.
Sounds like I'm being *quite* nice to the man.
Because it's objective Catholic teaching that what he was doing -- as described in an article that Pablo himself approved of -- was wrong.
But it's not the kind of innocent mistake that good Catholics make. Most Catholics know that the devil isn't to be toyed with, and they aren't obsessed with him. Pablo's past behavior (and if his recent posts are to believed, his present behavior) borders on superstition.
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The man is helping people get the sacraments and solid teaching and you are wrong to say these things about him.
I disagree, on both counts.
It's Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko that are travelling around the country offering Mass, sacraments, and truth. Except for in Phoenix, Pablo isn't doing a whole lot. Pablo isn't driving the priests across the country. (The various Airlines are taking care of that!) He also isn't recording sermons anywhere (except in Phoenix, where he lives). He posts sermons (that someone else recorded) to Youtube. "Big whoop". Anyone can do that.
I had Fr. Pfeiffer here for a day. He bought his own airfare online. He made his own phone calls and called the "next place" he was going, made arrangements, etc.
Oh, and before he showed up Pablo wasn't involved at all, either. I e-mailed/called Fr. Pfeiffer back & forth, I arranged to pick him up at the airport, etc.
From beginning to end, I didn't see a whole lot of Pablo's "work".
To use a metaphor:
Fr. Pfeiffer is Dumbo and Pablo is the feather he held in his trunk.
"Fly, Dumbo, fly!"
In other words, Fr. would be quite pleasantly surprised if he tried to do it without Pablo. He'd barely notice the difference.
Lastly, I disagree that because a man does a good work he has carte blanche (blank check) to do whatever he wants, and is beyond all criticism. That's not how it works.
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Matthew... you crack me up. :laugh1::facepalm:
Of course, Senor Pablo has many talents and discernments that are useful to the SSPX-SO.
However, he's not demonstrated the skill sets needed to be an effective administrator of a "loosely linked" international organization.
The devil is trying to split us up anyway he can and we sorely need to stay together.
A priest or layman should come forth from the group to assist with the organization and communication of our Bishops, priests and lay faithful.
The Resistance precedence for this is +ABL's delegation of such tasks to his key men.
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Pretty low to say Pablo is mentally ill.
I am sorry, but presuming the accuracy of what he himself has posted here, that seems pretty obvious.
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The man is helping people get the sacraments and solid teaching and you are wrong to say these things about him.
I disagree, on both counts.
It's Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko that are travelling around the country offering Mass, sacraments, and truth. Except for in Phoenix, Pablo isn't doing a whole lot. Pablo isn't driving the priests across the country. (The various Airlines are taking care of that!) He also isn't recording sermons anywhere (except in Phoenix, where he lives). He posts sermons (that someone else recorded) to Youtube. "Big whoop". Anyone can do that.
I had Fr. Pfeiffer here for a day. He bought his own airfare online. He made his own phone calls and called the "next place" he was going, made arrangements, etc.
Oh, and before he showed up Pablo wasn't involved at all, either. I e-mailed/called Fr. Pfeiffer back & forth, I arranged to pick him up at the airport, etc.
From beginning to end, I didn't see a whole lot of Pablo's "work".
To use a metaphor:
Fr. Pfeiffer is Dumbo and Pablo is the feather he held in his trunk.
"Fly, Dumbo, fly!"
In other words, Fr. would be quite pleasantly surprised if he tried to do it without Pablo. He'd barely notice the difference.
Lastly, I disagree that because a man does a good work he has carte blanche (blank check) to do whatever he wants, and is beyond all criticism. That's not how it works.
I don't know the story of Dumbo other than to recognize the character.
I agree nobody gets a blank check.
It's one thing to criticize someone, it's another to delete comments in support of him AND to add more insults to him when banning him.
Posters (one who apologized later) came on, ganged up on him complaining because they couldn't control Father. It's how immature women behave when they don't get their way.
It's not right Matthew. Like I said before he does not deserve this.
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From my observations, Matthew is correct about Pablo. Are we forgetting that Pablo not only claims to perform "lay exorcisms", but also took several shots at Bishop Williamson?
The Resistance doesn't need someone like that as their spokesman.
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Why did people in the resistance now, stay in the SSPX for the past five or ten years? Supposedly it's been liberal and they have been trying to make a deal with Rome for a while now? Why didn't they have an independent priest come until now?
Secondly why is there so much focus on what the SSPX does? If it's liberal, trying to make a deal with Rome, why spend so much time on them?
Let me adjust this to my situation here, and maybe you can see how ironic this is. :cry:
"Why did people at Father Bolduc's church, allow the SSPX to come in after what's been going on for the past five or ten years after all this time, they had an independent priest? People at Saint Michael's should have known how liberal it's been and that they've been trying to make a deal with Rome for a while now? Why were they so absolutely stupid to allow the SSPX to take over ESPECIALLY NOW?
Secondly, why is there so little focus on what the SSPX does? If it's liberal, and trying to make a deal with Rome, Fr. Themann just lulls the congregation right back to sleep with a song about prudence, and if anyone raises the alarms, they use the perfect working communist tactic of "just let their peers attack them. No need to get the priest (read: propagandist) into the foray."
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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:guitar: :applause: :rahrah: There is no rock star syndrome. There's a groupie syndrome. Fr. Pfeiffer is not traveling the world because he likes it. In fact, he dislikes it. How many rock stars travel halfway across the globe for the sake of "performing" for a few dozen people scattered all over various continents? In total, perhaps a couple of thousand fans have come to hear Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Chazal, Bishop Williamson. How many rock stars go for nights on end with little sleep, inconsistant diets, used clothing, fleabag motels, makeshift "stages" on which to perform, unreliable roadies, no roadies...Rock stars don't sleep in tiny rental or borrowed compact cars. Yes, Fr. Pfeiffer is an extrovert with a dynamic personalty, but he isn't the savior of Tradition. Bishop Williamson hasn't been canonized yet. We need to trust in Our Lord and Our Lady. Those who expect to ride to Heaven on the cassock hems of a handful of priests will be be disappointed.
:applause:
We must not compromise, and heed the words of Archbishop Lefevbre when he reminded us what matters was...
"The faith, the faith, and the faith!"
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Posters (one who apologized later) came on, ganged up on him complaining because they couldn't control Father. It's how immature women behave when they don't get their way.
Bingo.
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Posters (one who apologized later) came on, ganged up on him complaining because they couldn't control Father. It's how immature women behave when they don't get their way.
Bingo.
I would never defend such posters.
I am completely against lay control of priests. I have never tried to boss around a priest in my life, and I am horrified to see other laymen doing this (or trying to do this). You can rest assured that when such talk happens on my forum, I'll be all over them like white on rice.
Anyhow, what's done is done, and I'm not going to re-hash and regurgitate the story a hundred times. Everyone should know my specific views on the issue by now. If they don't for some reason -- they can always RTFT (Instead of "manual", it's "thread").
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I think sometimes there's plenty of talent and willing volunteers, but the job is ALREADY TAKEN or PERCEIVED AS TAKEN and so the leader goes on with his dry martyrdom, not knowing that firing his incapable employee might be the best thing for his organization.
In other words, hanging on to a non-desirable employee can sometimes result in a self-fulfilling prophecy that "I can't find any better workers".
I hear what you're saying but here's something else to consider. And I'm not directing this at Matthew or any one individual person.
Yeah, there might be plenty of talent and willingness, but when it comes down to the proverbial crunch, how much talent and willingness is actually applied?
Is anyone prepared to take six months or a year off to travel, often to places where they don't speak your language? What about something as minor as two or three months? What would your wife think of that? What about your kids? What would your boss think of that idea?
Kinda curious.
Is anyone's network of contacts so widespread that you can find lodgings, food, accomodations at a moment's notice? Is your influence alone sufficient to get little old ladies to do Novenas for success? Are your union contacts up to date and friendly enough as to your being welcomed in a town you've never been to just through a simple phone call?
Hmmm?
How adept are people at cutting through Catholic red tape? It's there, you know. Likewise, how thick-skinned are you to take the criticism from SSPX priests or blue-haired biddies (or us here on CI) who will throw up roadblocks in front of the most simple of things, like finding a residence who will let you take a shower or offer a couch to sleep on?
Running a website is great and all, but is cranking out HTML or moderating a sufficient skill in dealing with the logistics of scheduling, traveling, and coordinating? Keep in mind, Fr Pfeiffer isn't just spending time in the US. How good are you at dealing with customs, etcetera when the extent of traveling one has experienced is strictly within the lower 48?
How apt is anyone to step away from the monitor screen and act as a human shield, not just when frivolous lawsuits on cheap paper arrive, snorting with indignation because Pablo and Fr Pfeiffer couldn't perform in your town or that Fr Pfeiffer hasn't coughed up the cash for a slick looking website that is being held hostage by a 'concerned loyal Catholic' looking for a buck and name recognition, but a REAL human shield as when some miscreant threatens Fr Pfeiffer with physical violence at an airport? Curling up in a fetal position and rocking back and forth muttering "This isn't happening this isn't happening this isn't happening" isn't very Catholic, Or manly.
Again, just Mr. Curious.
Just how incapable or rumored mentally incompetent (and off of whose criteria is that established?) can an employee be when most, if not all, of these endeavors are being funded/handled by the same incapable employee? If Fr Pfeiffer has been doing this going on fifteen years, somebody must be doing something right, wouldn't you think?
I understand that people want to get in the mix with Fr Pfeiffer but there seems to be some kind of disconnect here that I can't articulate. All I do know is one can't 'get involved' (especially when the lifting gets heavy) and still maintain this "but but but..." attitude that always translates into inaction.
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Thanks for sobering us up Novus Weirdo.
And making us more appreciative of the graces we've already blessed with and benefited from.