Author Topic: Is the Orthodox "Holy Fire" Real? (Read 4886 times)

Irenaeus · « **on:** April 18, 2009, 07:38:32 PM »

Saturday, April 18, 2009
Russian Orthodox believers to take Holy Fire to North Pole
http://worldmysteries9.blogspot.com/2009/04/russian-orthodox-believers-to-take-holy.html

This Orthodox Easter, the Holy Fire from Jerusalem is, for the first time in history, going to be delivered to the North Pole.

The Holy Fire miraculously appears every year in the Church of the Resurrection in Jerusalem on the day of Orthodox Easter. At the tomb chamber of Jesus, fire spontaneously descends on 33 white candles tied together by the Patriarch while he is alone in the sepulchre. After that, the fire is brought to Orthodox countries, including Russia, Ukraine and Greece. This year, the holy fire will appear on April 26.

Head of Russian Orthodox Church Patriarch Kirill will receive the Holy Fire at the overnight Easter Service in the Moscow Christ the Savior Cathedral, Itar-Tass reports. Then the fire will be sealed in a container and sent via Spitsbergen to the Barneo polar station.

Barneo is a Russian Arctic station located 100 kilometers from the North Pole. It&#8217;s the closest station to the uppermost spot of the Earth.

Plans to deliver the Holy Light to the northern pole were made in 2006, but bad weather rendered the action impossible.

Irenaeus · « **Reply #1 on:** April 18, 2009, 07:46:41 PM »

I've read on another forum that it's a trick. But, nothing official from Rome.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #2 on:** April 19, 2009, 12:52:15 AM »

The Catholic Church is unfortunately westernized. if you compare garments of catholic bishops with those of orthodox ones, you will see that the latter are more beautiful.

Alex · « **Reply #3 on:** April 19, 2009, 01:06:15 AM »

Quote from: Irenaeus

At the tomb chamber of Jesus, fire spontaneously descends on 33 white candles tied together by the Patriarch while he is alone in the sepulchre.

It seems highly suspicious to me that the fire only descends when the Patriarch is alone in the sepulchre. He probably lights the fire himself and that is why he has to be alone for the miracle to take place. Catholic miracles that are meant for the public always occur infront of witnesses - so God makes sure that people have proof that it is a miracle and not deception.

Tridentine MT · « **Reply #4 on:** August 26, 2014, 09:02:48 AM »

Quote from: Alex

Quote from: Irenaeus
At the tomb chamber of Jesus, fire spontaneously descends on 33 white candles tied together by the Patriarch while he is alone in the sepulchre.

It seems highly suspicious to me that the fire only descends when the Patriarch is alone in the sepulchre. He probably lights the fire himself and that is why he has to be alone for the miracle to take place. Catholic miracles that are meant for the public always occur infront of witnesses - so God makes sure that people have proof that it is a miracle and not deception.

As far as I know, it's real. It is highly unlikely that all the Patriarchs over the years would abuse in this way of the biggest feast in the Church's calendar.

BTNYC · « **Reply #5 on:** August 26, 2014, 10:47:28 AM »

Quote from: Tridentine MT

Quote from: Alex
Quote from: Irenaeus
At the tomb chamber of Jesus, fire spontaneously descends on 33 white candles tied together by the Patriarch while he is alone in the sepulchre.

It seems highly suspicious to me that the fire only descends when the Patriarch is alone in the sepulchre. He probably lights the fire himself and that is why he has to be alone for the miracle to take place. Catholic miracles that are meant for the public always occur infront of witnesses - so God makes sure that people have proof that it is a miracle and not deception.

As far as I know, it's real. It is highly unlikely that all the Patriarchs over the years would abuse in this way of the biggest feast in the Church's calendar.

They're schismatics separated from the Catholic Church for nearly a millenium.

They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt here.

Tridentine MT · « **Reply #6 on:** August 27, 2014, 04:24:44 AM »

The miracle was televised one year and while one could not see what was going on inside the Sepulchre Chapel one definitely COULD see wall-lanterns hanging outside catch fire . . .

An American medical student was there with his lantern one Orthodox Easter and was trying to listen in on what was happening inside the chapel where the Tomb of Christ is. As he strained his hearing, his lantern lit up when the Patriarch chanted, "Xpictoc Anecti!"

He went home and wrote an article in a medical journal about his experience and how it impacted his life . . .

2Vermont · « **Reply #7 on:** August 27, 2014, 04:28:48 AM »

Tridentine MT: Why do you keep resurrecting old threads about the Orthodox?

Tridentine MT · « **Reply #8 on:** August 27, 2014, 04:38:57 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Tridentine MT: Why do you keep resurrecting old threads about the Orthodox?

Am I doing something wrong?

Is it prohibited by the Moderators?

Kindly enlighten me ...

IllyricumSacrum · « **Reply #9 on:** August 27, 2014, 07:14:51 AM »

Quote from: spouse of Jesus

The Catholic Church is unfortunately westernized. if you compare garments of catholic bishops with those of orthodox ones, you will see that the latter are more beautiful.

The Schismatics-Heretics are unfortunately Easternized....

2Vermont · « **Reply #10 on:** August 27, 2014, 03:06:54 PM »

Quote from: Tridentine MT

Quote from: 2Vermont
Tridentine MT: Why do you keep resurrecting old threads about the Orthodox?

Am I doing something wrong?

Is it prohibited by the Moderators?

Kindly enlighten me ...

No, you're nothing doing anything "wrong" and I wasn't even suggesting that. I am noticing a pattern and was wondering what the deal was.

Tridentine MT · « **Reply #11 on:** August 30, 2014, 12:49:51 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: Tridentine MT
Quote from: 2Vermont
Tridentine MT: Why do you keep resurrecting old threads about the Orthodox?

Am I doing something wrong?

Is it prohibited by the Moderators?

Kindly enlighten me ...

No, you're nothing doing anything "wrong" and I wasn't even suggesting that. I am noticing a pattern and was wondering what the deal was.

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

Tridentine MT · « **Reply #12 on:** August 30, 2014, 12:51:22 AM »

Quote from: BTNYC

Quote from: Tridentine MT
Quote from: Alex
Quote from: Irenaeus
At the tomb chamber of Jesus, fire spontaneously descends on 33 white candles tied together by the Patriarch while he is alone in the sepulchre.

It seems highly suspicious to me that the fire only descends when the Patriarch is alone in the sepulchre. He probably lights the fire himself and that is why he has to be alone for the miracle to take place. Catholic miracles that are meant for the public always occur infront of witnesses - so God makes sure that people have proof that it is a miracle and not deception.

As far as I know, it's real. It is highly unlikely that all the Patriarchs over the years would abuse in this way of the biggest feast in the Church's calendar.

They're schismatics separated from the Catholic Church for nearly a millenium.

They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt here.

Apparently there are both Israeli and Palastinian observers who make sure there is no funny business going on (such as matches, flint, lighters).

Can someone else confirm this?

BTNYC · « **Reply #13 on:** August 30, 2014, 12:07:38 PM »

Quote from: Tridentine MT

Quote from: BTNYC
Quote from: Tridentine MT
Quote from: Alex
Quote from: Irenaeus
At the tomb chamber of Jesus, fire spontaneously descends on 33 white candles tied together by the Patriarch while he is alone in the sepulchre.

It seems highly suspicious to me that the fire only descends when the Patriarch is alone in the sepulchre. He probably lights the fire himself and that is why he has to be alone for the miracle to take place. Catholic miracles that are meant for the public always occur infront of witnesses - so God makes sure that people have proof that it is a miracle and not deception.

As far as I know, it's real. It is highly unlikely that all the Patriarchs over the years would abuse in this way of the biggest feast in the Church's calendar.

They're schismatics separated from the Catholic Church for nearly a millenium.

They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt here.

Apparently there are both Israeli and Palastinian observers who make sure there is no funny business going on (such as matches, flint, lighters).

Can someone else confirm this?

No, but it's irrelevant. I see no reason why we should trust Jєωs and Mohammedans in this (or any) matter.

And if it's true, the very fact that the Schismatic priest would invite Jєωs and Mohammedans in to verify the supposed "miracle" only furthers my suspicion that it's a tawdry act of prestidigitation with paid stooges and not a genuine miracle from God.

"Would you gentlemen please examine the chains before I'm lowered into the tank?"

Besides, what would God's granting a genuine miracle to the eastern Schimatics portend? That they are the true Church, as they claim to be? Tread with caution here. Remember that St. Thomas Aquinas teaches that curiosity is a vice.

We have Fatima, and a thousand other genuine miracles. There's no need to give hucksterish Byzantine theatrics the time of day.

shin · « **Reply #14 on:** August 30, 2014, 12:38:29 PM »

Unity Publishing which compiled a good deal of material against Medjugorje also did an expose article on this.

Author Topic: Is the Orthodox &quot;Holy Fire&quot; Real? (Read 4886 times)

Author Topic: Is the Orthodox "Holy Fire" Real? (Read 4886 times)