Author Topic: Is the military a good career choice? (Read 3449 times)

CatholicinFL · « **on:** September 12, 2013, 09:52:52 AM »

Hi, as you can see I'm new. I have been looking for advice everywhere on what to do with my life as I am graduating next year. I have always planned on joining the Air Force but because of recent events(i.e. Syria, gαy marriage, ect.) I am thinking that the military is not what it once was and if I were to go to war would I be justified? I have been considering something like firefighter or EMT or even the coast guard instead of the Air Force. I want a job that is not the 'corporate slave' type but that is also morally good. My father and I talk about it and we both agreed that a combat job in the military would be wrong, but would a combat medic job be bad or some other support type job?

Since I am new I will give you a bit of backround. I am homeschooled, I live on a farm with goats and chickens, I serve Mass, I am the oldest of 10, I used to play Lacrosse as a Goalie, and thats about it.

sedetrad · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2013, 10:00:42 AM »

I would recommend becoming a navy nurse. If you are bright and do well , the navy will put you through nurse practitioner or physicians assistant school. You will also be able to attain good government jobs more readily than your peers after your service.

sedetrad · « **Reply #2 on:** September 12, 2013, 10:02:00 AM »

Honestly, the military is the best gig going for any young man that doesn't have appropriate connections to obtain employment after college.

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #3 on:** September 12, 2013, 10:30:49 AM »

Even as a noncombatant, the military is a sea of immorality, sex, even drugs, and women in the service are implicitly encouraged to be (and often are) whorish.

You should not seek a wife there unless you find quite the exception.

The military is not interested in your desire to access *Catholic* sacraments or clergy. You will, at least, have access to a 'chaplain' who may or may not be a Catholic, and they need not even provide you with Catholic 'Mass', and will tell you your spiritual needs are accommodated by the offering of a non-denominational "Christian" service.

This may or many not happen, but be aware it is a possibility. This particularly complicated confessions as well.

Lastly, you will have to endure immoral men in your unit, who will be the norm, as well as an insistence you tolerate now-open ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

These things would be true of almost any job, although the military magnifies these issues of immoral, unCatholic coworkers by also controlling where you live and in what situation you live (until you decide to get your own apartment off base).

So, it can be endured. You'll have to endure the world eventually anyway, but the military is different from being a waiter at a Chili's while you work your way through a community college, because you can go *home* at the end of the day instead of rooming with degenerates (possibly, although there are good people who are not Godless in the military). You can attend Mass on Sunday if you work at a restuarant, retail store, fast food, etc. The military you may get deployed and have to rely on the Mass options (or lack thereof possibly) available where they deploy you.

So, it has pluses and minuses. You will certainly make more money in the military from a lifestyle perspective than you will working entry level jobs while you go to a junior college.

Another option is a skilled trade apprenticeship. People say these require connections, and while knowing someone in a trade union helps, you can get an apprenticeship through diligence, especially since most entrants into apprenticeships "washout", that is, they do not finish because they are unmotivated or uninterested.

You can literally call unions and/or go to their websites to inquire about apprenticeships, or ask a local licensed tradesman (depending on the state you live in) if they'll take an apprentice or know someone who is.

There are more than plumbing, electrician and carpenter.

There are millwright, elevator mechanic (the highest paid bar none), structural steel, various portworkers like the longshoreman, boilermakers, etc all of which have unions and training programs.

Good luck, and pray for St. Joseph's intercession. Set yourself up to be able to afford a family by getting a skill.

BTNYC · « **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2013, 10:55:09 AM »

Quote from: CatholicinFL

Hi, as you can see I'm new. I have been looking for advice everywhere on what to do with my life as I am graduating next year. I have always planned on joining the Air Force but because of recent events(i.e. Syria, gαy marriage, ect.) I am thinking that the military is not what it once was and if I were to go to war would I be justified? I have been considering something like firefighter or EMT or even the coast guard instead of the Air Force. I want a job that is not the 'corporate slave' type but that is also morally good. My father and I talk about it and we both agreed that a combat job in the military would be wrong, but would a combat medic job be bad or some other support type job?

Since I am new I will give you a bit of backround. I am homeschooled, I live on a farm with goats and chickens, I serve Mass, I am the oldest of 10, I used to play Lacrosse as a Goalie, and thats about it.

In addition to the excellent points made by Iuvenalis, I would like to add this:

It's not so much that the military is not what it once was, as it is that the military has now arrived at the logical end of what it has always been: the strong arm of the world's first totally secular, post-Christian, Masonic-Enlightenment Empire. From its very inception, throwing off the yoke of its legitimate (though heretical) soverign for the benefit (and at the behest) of the Colonies' wealthiest citizens, right up to the impending conflict with Syria, the US Military has never - not ever - been engaged in what could be termed by any intellectually honest Catholic a "just war." Lest you become a pawn in the ungodly machinations of Internationalists, stay as far away from the Military as you can.

I second Iuvenalis' advice about pursuing a trade. I regret not having done so myself, the four years I spent at a secular university were a monumental waste of time and money.

bowler · « **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2013, 11:53:24 AM »

Quote from: sedetrad

I would recommend becoming a navy nurse. If you are bright and do well , the navy will put you through nurse practitioner or physicians assistant school. You will also be able to attain good government jobs more readily than your peers after your service.

I remember reading that 60% of women in the Navy get pregnant within 1 year. I would not recommend such a job for women.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2013, 11:59:11 AM »

The military is a great paying occupation. They are actually overpaid, sob stories in the press notwithstanding.

The Navy and the Coast Guard would be the least morally offensive. Both of these organizations have completely legitimate missions in both peacetime and wartime.

The Air Force exists to bomb and incinerate people, so if our country was lead by fine morally upstanding people this wouldn't be a problem. However, even under the best circuмstances, the air force is morally repulsive. Technically fantastic, though!

The standing armies are neutral, as in their job descriptions. A guy aiming a rifle has more moral agency than a guy pushing a button on a computer screen far removed from the scene.

The environment in the military is largely inconducive to living a Catholic lifestyle but there are "Iron Man" competitions so to speak.

I would discourage the military as an option, unless you wanted to excel at some exclusive military skill like flying a fighter jet or some military activity.

The culture of the military is constantly going more and more pro-abortion and now women and gαys are poster children for the "future" of the military. Too many of your fellow soldiers would be almost like grifters always looking for a scam.

You would also be at the beck and call of what can only be described as a masonic society (which is what the U.S. has pretty much always been but the mask is completely off now).

bowler · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2013, 12:01:39 PM »

Quote from: CatholicinFL

Hi, as you can see I'm new. I have been looking for advice everywhere on what to do with my life as I am graduating next year. I have always planned on joining the Air Force but because of recent events(i.e. Syria, gαy marriage, ect.) I am thinking that the military is not what it once was and if I were to go to war would I be justified? I have been considering something like firefighter or EMT or even the coast guard instead of the Air Force. I want a job that is not the 'corporate slave' type but that is also morally good. My father and I talk about it and we both agreed that a combat job in the military would be wrong, but would a combat medic job be bad or some other support type job?

Since I am new I will give you a bit of backround. I am homeschooled, I live on a farm with goats and chickens, I serve Mass, I am the oldest of 10, I used to play Lacrosse as a Goalie, and thats about it.

What does your father do for a living that he can't teach you? I learned my work from my father, and he learned it from my grandfather, and my grandfather learned it from his father. Although all four of us dealt in different businesses, the knowledge base is still the same. A father teaches his children EVERYTHING about survival in the world, how to repair everything in the house, field, auto, business, conduct, honor, justice, the Faith..... etc.

This theory of sons learning on their own from others is for the animals that abandon their offspring at birth, like snakes, and sharks.

CatholicinFL · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2013, 12:50:57 PM »

Thanks for responding so quickly. My father was an officer in the Navy and now he is an industrial engineer. I agree that a "profession" is better than wasting money and time at a 4 year university in this day in age. I agree that the Coast Guard is probably the least offensive because they are practically a maritime rescue/police force with a military spin and they rarely leave US waters. But what do you think of Firefighting and/or EMT? You can raise a family on the average pay but you wont get rich. Plus you are doing a work of mercy, right? Visit the sick. I think pulling someone out of a wrecked car or burning building falls under that. I don't think getting a Firefighter job or EMT job is that hard, I looked into it. There are always more people so that also increases the need for more doctors, EMTs, Paramedics, Firefighters, ect.
The lure the military has on me is I guess the desire for action or excitement, maybe I played with G.I. Joes to much as a kid. And I agree that the military is just muscle for the masonic "empire" we belong to, but is the coast guard a possible alternative based on the reasons I gave above?

CatholicinFL · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2013, 12:54:02 PM »

Oh and to give you some perspective Father Hewko convinced me and my dad about the military.

claudel · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2013, 12:56:22 PM »

Quote from: CatholicinFL

… I have always planned on joining the Air Force but because of recent events (i.e. Syria, gαy marriage, etc.) I am thinking that the military is not what it once was and if I were to go to war would I be justified? …

First and foremost, I recommend that you look for a thread called "First-hand experience in the Military." It may be found in the Catholic Living in the Modern World subforum.

As a former Vietnam combat veteran (drafted!), permit me to say that everyone's advice (save sedetrad's) is good. Stay far away from the military. It is not a jobs program, no matter what government stooges may call it. Its purpose is to forward the immoral aims of the USA, which is International Jєωry's chief client state, by murdering people, most of whom are and have been civilians.* If you think you can live a morally upright life there, you are kidding yourself bigtime.

Service in the military today ought to be considered objectively disordered and gravely sinful. As I wrote in a comment in the thread just mentioned, "I nearly despair of Trads … who in a real sense subvert the very Faith they claim to want to further by speaking anything but ill of service in this country's evil armed forces." I continue to stand by every syllable of that comment.
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* Incidentally, the military was never what it "once" was!—that is to say, what its sentimental apologists would have one believe. Unlike local and state militias from the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, whose purpose was primarily defense and secondarily an occasional evening out with the boys and away from the ball-and-chain, the US military has been an instrument of aggression since at least the First Seminole War. One is hard put to think of an authentically defensive posture since John Adams called Washington out of retirement to direct the naval campaign against the Barbary States, which were seizing unarmed merchant vessels and kidnapping their wealthy occupants and killing the rest. Swollen-head Marines have been singing about "the shores of Tripoli" ever since!

Matto · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2013, 01:10:02 PM »

It's only a good choice if you want to murder people for Jєωs.

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #12 on:** September 13, 2013, 12:10:18 AM »

Quote from: claudel

First and foremost, I recommend that you look for a thread called "First-hand experience in the Military." It may be found in the Catholic Living in the Modern World subforum.

I simply cannot find this thread. At all. I tried google even.

claudel · « **Reply #13 on:** September 13, 2013, 12:21:07 AM »

Quote from: Iuvenalis

Quote from: claudel
First and foremost, I recommend that you look for a thread called "First-hand experience in the Military." It may be found in the Catholic Living in the Modern World subforum.

I simply cannot find this thread. At all. I tried google even.

Here you go.

poche · « **Reply #14 on:** September 13, 2013, 12:22:40 AM »

Quote from: Iuvenalis

Even as a noncombatant, the military is a sea of immorality, sex, even drugs, and women in the service are implicitly encouraged to be (and often are) whorish.

You should not seek a wife there unless you find quite the exception.

The military is not interested in your desire to access *Catholic* sacraments or clergy. You will, at least, have access to a 'chaplain' who may or may not be a Catholic, and they need not even provide you with Catholic 'Mass', and will tell you your spiritual needs are accommodated by the offering of a non-denominational "Christian" service.

This may or many not happen, but be aware it is a possibility. This particularly complicated confessions as well.

Lastly, you will have to endure immoral men in your unit, who will be the norm, as well as an insistence you tolerate now-open ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

These things would be true of almost any job, although the military magnifies these issues of immoral, unCatholic coworkers by also controlling where you live and in what situation you live (until you decide to get your own apartment off base).

So, it can be endured. You'll have to endure the world eventually anyway, but the military is different from being a waiter at a Chili's while you work your way through a community college, because you can go *home* at the end of the day instead of rooming with degenerates (possibly, although there are good people who are not Godless in the military). You can attend Mass on Sunday if you work at a restuarant, retail store, fast food, etc. The military you may get deployed and have to rely on the Mass options (or lack thereof possibly) available where they deploy you.

So, it has pluses and minuses. You will certainly make more money in the military from a lifestyle perspective than you will working entry level jobs while you go to a junior college.

Another option is a skilled trade apprenticeship. People say these require connections, and while knowing someone in a trade union helps, you can get an apprenticeship through diligence, especially since most entrants into apprenticeships "washout", that is, they do not finish because they are unmotivated or uninterested.

You can literally call unions and/or go to their websites to inquire about apprenticeships, or ask a local licensed tradesman (depending on the state you live in) if they'll take an apprentice or know someone who is.

There are more than plumbing, electrician and carpenter.

There are millwright, elevator mechanic (the highest paid bar none), structural steel, various portworkers like the longshoreman, boilermakers, etc all of which have unions and training programs.

Good luck, and pray for St. Joseph's intercession. Set yourself up to be able to afford a family by getting a skill.

You will find the sea of immorality just about wherever you go. God has given us the grace to be Catholic and we have to live that holiness that God calls us to. And who knows who you could be a vehicle of conversion for?