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Offline graceseeker

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Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
« on: February 26, 2018, 03:39:39 PM »
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  • It seems they are

    But everything in the Church today is questionable..


    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
    « Reply #1 on: February 26, 2018, 06:42:29 PM »
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  • If you believe the Vatican II church is Catholic, then I suppose you will think that the Knights of Columbus are Catholic too. 
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
    « Reply #2 on: March 01, 2018, 02:51:05 PM »
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  • If you believe the Vatican II church is Catholic, then I suppose you will think that the Knights of Columbus are Catholic too.
    If you believe all Catholics since Vatican II church are not Catholic, then I suppose you would  have to   think that Last Tradhican is not Catholic either.

    Offline songbird

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    Re: Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
    « Reply #3 on: March 01, 2018, 04:13:37 PM »
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  • As the saying goes:  A picture is worth a thousand words!  And more!

    Offline alaric

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    Re: Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
    « Reply #4 on: March 01, 2018, 04:22:45 PM »
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  • Best buddies forever!!
    Do you really believe that every KofC is buddied up with scuмbag masons?
    I'm a knight, been one for a long time, believe me, 90% of knights don't have the first clue about Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.
    Do not put them all in a box because of one bs picture.


    Offline alaric

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    Re: Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
    « Reply #5 on: March 01, 2018, 04:28:38 PM »
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  • As the saying goes:  A picture is worth a thousand words!  And more!

     Here's a picture for you.

    Offline songbird

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    Re: Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
    « Reply #6 on: March 01, 2018, 04:38:27 PM »
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  • Do the Knights of Columbus come from the New Order?  Yes.  And does  the New Order with their Bishops support and encourage Catholic Charities and programs?  Yes!  Do these programs support abortion, Lesbian and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ perverts?  Yes  Take a look at your Dioceses newspaper and see the many programs that get Grant money.  That is supporting the agenda of the Federal Gov't the agenda of the Marxists!

    Stephanie Block has written  at least 4 books on the All the proof of Saul Alinsky groups.  New Order dioceses (ALL) are participates in implementing the agendas!  Proof again is in the Federal Grants.

    Have you ever gone to your state and were able to read Federal Grants?  Most likely, no.  I got to do just that by the permission of the Governor of AZ in 1990.  What a surprise I found!  All dioceses were given Grant monies to take care of  the AIDS Task Force ( a million a state).  $$$ to bring sex education into the schools against State Law, implemented Health Fairs promoting Planned Parenthood!  I saw it and I was escorted off the church grounds.

    Get this, I was Pro-life coordinator with bake sale.  NOT ONE KofC said hello, no penny!  That was 1991 and our family left!!!  My husband was a Knight and when we left, they kept after him for 3 years.  I finally told them what I knew of them and the dioceses full of Masons and they finally left us alone.

    I encourage anyone to check these programs that all dioceses support!  Our newest traditionalist from the New Order was a knight and found St. Vincent De Paul supporting abortion, so easily and he left!

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    Re: Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
    « Reply #7 on: March 01, 2018, 04:42:26 PM »
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  • Masons and KofC have steak dinners together.  I do believe that it is understood in a True Catholic Church, if you mingle with an anti-catholic group, such as the masons, you can be looking at excommunicating yourself.  But, oh, humbug, I just put a hole in your balloon!


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    Re: Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
    « Reply #8 on: March 01, 2018, 04:55:09 PM »
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  • Masons and KofC have steak dinners together.  I do believe that it is understood in a True Catholic Church, if you mingle with an anti-catholic group, such as the masons, you can be looking at excommunicating yourself.  But, oh, humbug, I just put a hole in your balloon!
     I have never had anything to do with Masons, I am in no danger of excommunication.
    Maybe some of the hierarchy gets cozy with them, whatever, most of the guys I know wouldn't know a freemason from a freeway. Yes, most are N.O. Catholics and not good ones at that. yet, most are crtical of Jєωs and not sucking up to them like your bishop Fellay. But, that's my point. you want to paint all Kof C members with a broad brush, then all SSPX are Jєω bootlickers like most of the Vatican. sorry to burst your bubble as well birdy.

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    Re: Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
    « Reply #9 on: March 01, 2018, 07:21:55 PM »
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  • Birds of a feather flock together, just not New Order.  I read the federal grants, and they don't lie.  They tell All.  I think the New Order is a mixture of the ignorant, and those who like their nest, and the Masons who run the Dog and Pony Show.

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    Re: Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
    « Reply #10 on: March 01, 2018, 10:07:10 PM »
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  • Do the Knights of Columbus come from the New Order?  Yes.

    Umm... No They don't come from the new order. I little bit of history will say otherwise, though they do embrace the new order. 

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    The Knights of Columbus is the world's largest Catholic fraternal service organization. Founded by Father Michael J. McGivney in New Haven, Connecticut, in 1882, it was named in honor of the explorerChristopher Columbus. Originally serving as a mutual benefit society to working class and immigrant Catholics in the United States, it developed into a fraternal benefit society dedicated to providing charitable services, including war and disaster relief, actively defending Catholicism in various nations, and promoting Catholic education.[1][2][3] The Knights also support the Catholic Church's positions on public policy issues, and are participants in the New Evangelization.
     


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    And does  the New Order with their Bishops support and encourage Catholic Charities and programs?  Yes!  Do these programs support abortion, Lesbian and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ perverts?  Yes 

    Is this what you mean by supporting abortion, Songbird.
    https://www.kofc.org/un/en/liberty-life-family/culture-of-life.html
    CULTURE OF LIFE
    2016 US March for Life
    2015 Canada March for Life
     
    100% of your donation will directly support the Culture of Life Fund.
    DONATE TO THE CULTURE OF LIFE FUND

    “Human life is sacred and inviolable at every moment of existence, including the initial phase which precedes birth. All human beings, from their mother’s womb, belong to God who searches them and knows them, who forms them and knits them together with his own hands, who gazes on them when they are tiny shapeless embryos and already sees in them the adults of tomorrow whose days are numbered and whose vocation is even now written in the ‘book of life.’ There too, when they are still in their mothers’ womb—as many passages of the Bible bear witness—they are the personal objects of God’s loving and fatherly providence.” (Evangelium Vitae, 61).
    In his 1995 Encyclical, Evangelium Vitae, St. John Paul II called on all Catholic faithful to bear witness to the Gospel of Life and to build the “civilization of life and love” (100). In keeping with this mission and our Order’s Catholic principles of charity, unity, and fraternity, the Knights of Columbus stands strong in its conviction that every human life is a gift of God, endowed with certain inalienable rights — the first among these being the right to life. Even in the midst of difficulties and uncertainties, we believe that human life is sacred and inviolable, and ought to be defended with maximum determination. To this end, the Knights of Columbus supports policies that promote a Culture of Life and opposes legislative efforts that promote abortion, contraception, sterilization, cloning, the destruction of embryos, assisted ѕυιcιdє, euthanasia, unjust war, and the death penalty when there is an acceptable alternative.
    One of the most effective ways in which the Knights of Columbus has promoted a Culture of Life and helped thousands of women save their children is through the Ultrasound Initiative. As of December 2016, the initiative has funded and placed 829 ultrasound machines – valued at more than $40 million – in all 50 states, as well as in Canada, Jamaica, Guatemala and Peru.

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    Our Order’s steadfast defense and promotion of a Culture of Life is grounded on our ultimate assurance that in the natural law written in the heart of every person is the recognition that human life is sacred from its very beginning to its end. In the depths of our consciousness, human intellect knows that the very source of its existence—i.e. human life—ought to be protected and celebrated. In that regard, the message of the Knights of Columbus extends far beyond our Order and our religious creed; it is a universal message that every person of good will can come to affirm.
    The right to life is unlike any other right. It is the most basic right and the condition of all other personal rights, constituting the foundation of every human community and the political community itself. St. John Paul II famously noted that if human life itself is not respected, then respect for all other rights—for example, the right to health, to marriage, to culture, to religion—is “false and illusory.” Human rights of every kind are “incomprehensible” without the right to life. Our Order, therefore, joins the universal Church in acknowledging the dignity of human life and in its efforts to achieve legal and constitutional protection for every human person at the international, national, state, and local levels.
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    Re: Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
    « Reply #11 on: March 01, 2018, 10:34:30 PM »
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  •  Here's a picture for you.
    Not sure where you are going with this? Yes, most of us on CI are aware of the way +W was sequestered.

    eta : oh, now I see: and not sucking up to them like your bishop Fellay. But, that's my point. you want to paint all Kof C members with a broad brush, then all SSPX are Jєω bootlickers like most of the Vatican. sorry to burst your bubble as well birdy.

    well, CI is officially an SSPX  resistance forum so....I guess you picked the wrong brush, and our bubbles are safe for the time being.

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    Re: Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
    « Reply #12 on: March 01, 2018, 11:21:13 PM »
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  • I have not heard of any traditional KofC so I'd say yes, they all currently come from the NO. (I do not think that Songbird was referring to their founding.)  There is no excuse for a member of the KofC being ignorant of what their leadership is up to, just as anyone at the SSPX is honor bound to keep up with what their leadership is doing.  The only difference I see is that being a Knight is voluntary, going to a valid Mass is not.  Some in the SSPX feel trapped because it is the only place they can go for valid sacraments but would leave if they could.

    Just because Bp. Fellay is failing in his duties does not mean it is OK for the KofC to do the same; it is not some type of quid pro quo.  BOTH are wrong but we are obliged under pain of sin to attend Mass, you cannot say the same thing for KofC.


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    Re: Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
    « Reply #13 on: March 02, 2018, 08:41:26 AM »
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  • Do you really believe that every KofC is buddied up with scuмbag masons?
    I'm a knight, been one for a long time, believe me, 90% of knights don't have the first clue about Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.
    Do not put them all in a box because of one bs picture.
    I think that the K of C (which many members of my family are 4th degree, several of them have served as Grand Knights) was infiltrated by the Masons and has been compromised for a long time.  I don't believe for one second that 90% of Knights haven't the first clue about Masonry...don't be so naive.
    A few things here.
    1) I've never heard of any tradition Catholic KofC.  The only traditional Catholic "fraternities" that I have heard about are the Fraternity of St. Peter and the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X.
    2) The KofC was formed in response of the massive growth of fraternal organizations in the late 1800's.  Masons do not want to infiltrate it, need to infiltrate it, or anything else for that matter.  Call/Talk to anyone who is one, just don't go off a picture.  I challenge you to find and speak to one who fits the "scuмbag' moniker.  Unless all non-Catholics are scuмbags to you?
    3) Speaking of only my local area, The KofC and area masons have an annual cribbage tournament.  Typically the KofC wins.  I've seen a delegation of KofC at the Shriner's BBQ's presenting a check for the Shriner's Hospitals, which provide free service and surgeries to children with burns, cleft pallets, etc.  Likewise, I've also seen the reverse of the Mason's donating to KofC.  With that article $70,000 was raised for that child who survived cancer.  I thank God that the child survived, and thank the people who donated that money as a relief to the parents. 
    4) Working together on a common goal of raising money, does not mean they have the same goal or are the same organization.  

    Just some thoughts.

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    Re: Is the Knights of Columbus truly Catholic?
    « Reply #14 on: March 02, 2018, 09:06:38 AM »
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  • Wasn't it two Knights of Columbus state legislators in Massachusetts whose votes tilted the win for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ marriage in that state? Not sure, maybe it was NY....but I vaguely remember that.