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Offline Hank Igitur Orate Fratre

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Is Pope Liberius a Saint or isn't he??
« on: March 21, 2018, 12:51:29 AM »
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    • Pretty much every Roman Catholic today agrees that Pope Liberius (the 36th Pope) is not a saint. The Church also claims that he is the first pope not to be canonized a saint, yet ancient Church writings say otherwise. Pope Liberius is referred to as "St. Liberius" as shown in Denzinger right after 57e, while praise is further given to him in Denzinger 88 and 93. The Eastern Orthodox Church (i.e. Schismatics) also consider him a saint and celebrate his feast day on August 27. 

    Since nobody can take away someone's sainthood, does anyone know why is there this major discrepancy? Does anyone know if Pope Liberius was once considered a valid saint in the Roman Catholic Church? If so, do they know when his sainthood was taken away from him? Or is this yet another error in Denzinger? Of course, I'm referring to the 30th edition that is pre-Vatican II because, after all, how can we really trust subsequent editions? 

    Yet the 30th edition, pre Vatican II Denzinger was partly edited by Karl Rahner (and we all know that he made some errors). Was this a deliberate error on Rahner's part to further confuse us Roman Catholics or is there a story behind Pope Liberius that many do not know? 

    I ask that you please help me in this dilemma. Thank you. 
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    Offline poche

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    Re: Is Pope Liberius a Saint or isn't he??
    « Reply #1 on: March 21, 2018, 02:09:38 AM »
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    • From Catholic Online;

    Liberius was a native of Rome and was elected pope in 352. Three years later, Emperor Constantius II exiled the pope for refusing to support the deposing of Athanasius of Alexandria by the Arians. Sent to Beroea in Thrace, Liberius eventually signed, possibly under duress, a docuмent repudiating Nicene Christianity in favor of Arianism and supporting the ousting of Athanasius. Liberius returned to Rome in 358. After the death of Constantius three years later, Liberius reasserted his adherence to the principles of Nicaea. In 362, he began to receive the lapsed into communion. He died in 366; in lists of popes, he is the first uncanonized pope.

    https://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=1010
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    Offline Hank Igitur Orate Fratre

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    Re: Is Pope Liberius a Saint or isn't he??
    « Reply #2 on: March 21, 2018, 02:26:07 AM »
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    • Thank you Poche for your prompt reply. So I guess Karl Rahner manipulated the 30th Edition of Denzinger concerning this matter. 

    This begs the question: if a Traditional Catholic cannot even trust this pre-Vatican II edition of Denzinger, then what edition can we trust?
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