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Offline tdrev123

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Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
« on: December 31, 2018, 07:59:45 PM »
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  • Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?  I know he doesn't like modern 'traditional catholics' but is he any sort of Catholic?

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    Re: Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
    « Reply #1 on: December 31, 2018, 08:36:51 PM »
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  • Good question!

    Hollingsworth claims he is, but I've seen evidence in his prolific writings that totally lack a Catholic reference point.

    He's definitely tuned-into the jews , but there's some concern he has a hidden agenda. 

    I recall him attacking canonized Saints and members on this forum accusing him of blatant heresy.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
    « Reply #2 on: January 01, 2019, 05:38:58 PM »
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  • Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?  I know he doesn't like modern 'traditional catholics' but is he any sort of Catholic?
    I pretty much get the impression that he doesn't like anyone.

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    Re: Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
    « Reply #3 on: January 01, 2019, 07:09:10 PM »
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  • Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?  I know he doesn't like modern 'traditional catholics' but is he any sort of Catholic?

    In a word: "no."

    Quote from: Michael Hoffman
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    Puritan haters fail to engage in a basic obligation incumbent on the unbiased historian: to trace the theological distance traveled from Puritan origins to late 18th and early 19th century post-Puritan New England Protestantism. Roman Catholics who undertake this study should ask themselves whether they would accept the proposition that Vatican Council II came about due to a congruence of rigid papal authoritarianism and a history of developing Catholic theology, of which the promulgation of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception is most striking. To Protestants the connection must seem patent. Consequently, before Catholics sneer that Puritanism was only a stage in a process of decay that inevitably devolved into modern buccaneer capitalism, they ought to consider whether they will entertain the likelihood that an inordinate obedience to papal authority and a history of promulgating as infallible doctrine claims for which there is no Biblical or patristic basis, fomented obedient subservience to Vatican II and post-Conciliar modernism.

    Usury in Christendom, page 224

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    Re: Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
    « Reply #4 on: January 02, 2019, 05:04:33 AM »
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  • I can't get the gist of what he is saying in that quote from Usury in Christendom. Can someone simplify it or explain it to me, please? Is he putting in doubt the Immaculate Conception?


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    Re: Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
    « Reply #5 on: January 02, 2019, 05:47:14 AM »
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  • Like a prot, he is saying that the Immaculate Conception is a dogma that popes simply made up.
    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine

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    Re: Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
    « Reply #6 on: January 02, 2019, 08:49:04 AM »
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  • Like a prot, he is saying that the Immaculate Conception is a dogma that popes simply made up.

    Yeah, wow... but unwrap his rabbinic logic, to see how he's connecting multiple concepts for a "cause & effect" condemnation of the Catholic Church:

    1. The "congruence of rigid papal authoritarianism + a history of developing Catholic theology"
         + without a Biblical or patristic basis

    2. Yielded => Immaculate Conception theology, obedience to papal authority, infallible doctrinal claims

    3. Resulting in => Vatican II modernism.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
    « Reply #7 on: January 02, 2019, 09:16:20 AM »
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  • Mr. Hoffman is accused of being a "ringer*", along with several others, who made-up the fraudulent "white racists" community in Coure d'Arlene, Idaho.  

    The whole story is a bit overwhelming, but suffice to say Zionist ghostwriters & ringers are a mainstay of the judaic revolution:    Coure d'Arlene judeo-conspiracy



    Michael Hoffman - Ringer
    Supposedly a renegade, extremely articulate speaker and writer, who is based in Coeur d’Alene


    Hoffman has or had a certain degree credibility as an expert on the Talmud, a historian and political commentator within the traditional Catholic movement. It wasn't until trads noticed his subtle attacks on Church authority, the Saints, the origin of the Jesuits... etc. that we were able to figure out his true agenda.



    * Ringer Slang Definition: A racehorse, athlete, or the like entered in a competition under false representation as to identity or ability. a student paid by another to take an exam. any person or thing that is fraudulent; fake or impostor.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
    « Reply #8 on: January 02, 2019, 04:07:28 PM »
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  • I can't get the gist of what he is saying in that quote from Usury in Christendom. Can someone simplify it or explain it to me, please? Is he putting in doubt the Immaculate Conception?

    Please allow me, Nadir, to take a stab at explaining the passage that BTNYC cites.

    First of all, getting the gist of the passage is heavy sledding because, in a real sense, there is no gist to get. The passage is a complex structure that is resistant to further reduction, if indeed it is reducible at all.

    Probably the best explication is the one offered by Hoffmann himself. It is contained within a comment he made in reply to a not especially coherent review of the book found on at Amazon.

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    There is nothing in the preceding paragraph that terms the Immaculate Conception a heresy. The Catholic Church has witnessed a development of its own doctrine, as the Puritan Church witnessed its doctrine develop. The point I was making is that it would be wrong and hypocritical to refer to this developing doctrine in Puritanism as ipso facto an indication of an error-prone creed, without accounting for the development of Catholic doctrine, such as the Immaculate Conception.

    In a later comment upon the same review, Hoffmann plainly avows his belief (1) in the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, (2) in its Scriptural basis, and (3) in the liceity of the ex cathedra papal authority underlying the doctrine's promulgation.

    As you probably know, one of the principal theses of the book is that the core Apostolic doctrinal condemnation of usury, strictly defined, has been consciously altered (that is, twisted, subverted, falsified) by theologians, bishops, and popes—including Aquinas and numerous canonized popes and prelates—for eight hundred years and more. The book's subtitle expresses this view succinctly: The Mortal Sin That Was and Now Is Not.

    So much for analysis. If you or anyone else were to ask me what I think about all of this, my answer would have to be that, not having read the book in its entirety, I hardly have a view worth expressing. Nonetheless, like BTNYC and many others, I am at a loss to see how Hoffmann squares his view of Church history with such orthodox concepts as inerrancy and divine protection for the Church and the faithful from the long-standing teaching of doctrinal deformity or plain heresy.* Hoffmann is too learned, too sophisticated a man to be written off as simply a bit confused or misinformed. Still, as to whether Hoffmann is a Catholic "of any sort," I am not prepared to go as far as BTNYC does, in part because I see no proximate danger of scandal to the innocent in what Hoffmann has written. That is to say, the number of serious Catholics with a close, scholarly interest in this topic can be comfortably counted using the usual complement of fingers and toes. I think it's pretty safe to say that those who are members of this subset can look after themselves, doctrinally speaking.
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    *Of course, demands for doctrinal, intellectual, or even rhetorical consistency have never lain thick on the ground here at CathInfo. Compare Hoffmann with, say, cassini: for years the latter has falsely declared a narrowly disciplinary 1616 decree of the Holy Office an infallible proclamation and charged the popes of the ensuing three and a half centuries with blasphemy and falsification of doctrine. And for so doing cassini has received vastly more approval and applause than Hoffmann has gotten or is ever likely to get.

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    Re: Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
    « Reply #9 on: January 02, 2019, 06:14:14 PM »
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  • Thank you, Stubborn and Claudel.

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    Re: Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
    « Reply #10 on: January 02, 2019, 06:48:45 PM »
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  • In Claudel & Hoffman's explanation of "what he meant" to say on the formulation of Church doctrines, they both seem to have overlooked the Holy Ghost?  :facepalm:

    This actually reinforces my comment that Hoffman many times lacks a Catholic reference point.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
    « Reply #11 on: January 02, 2019, 10:04:17 PM »
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  • In Claudel & Hoffman's explanation of "what he meant" to say on the formulation of Church doctrines, they both seem to have overlooked the Holy Ghost?  :facepalm:

    This actually reinforces my comment that Hoffman many times lacks a Catholic reference point.

    Tell me, genius, if not from the Holy Ghost, whence comes the authority and the wisdom for a pope to speak ex cathedra and define a doctrine of the Faith? No Catholic with half a brain or more needs to hear this elementary fact of the Faith constantly asserted and repeated. Will your next complaint be that you're hearing insufficient insistence upon the wrongfulness of lying or murder?

    Consider sticking to what you do best, Incredulous: embedding rubbishy pictures accompanied by adolescent wisecracks. Leave the thinking to folks with the requisite software.

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    Re: Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
    « Reply #12 on: January 02, 2019, 11:24:26 PM »
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  • Hoffman's explanation of "what he meant" to say on the formulation of Church doctrines... overlooked the Holy Ghost?  :facepalm:



    Fear not. Hoffman himself touches on the subject in the video below, at 4:21. To be precise, he contemptuously dismisses the dogma of papal infallibility as "Holy Ghost inspiration" that is merely "posited" by the "post-Renaissance Catholic Church."



    Admittedly, he seems to have some cognizance of the detrimental effect that openly flirting (if not outright cavorting) with heresy is liable to have on his (probably substantial) Traditional Catholic fanbase, so he may have backpedaled on this comment as well at some later date in an effort to stanch any further hemorrhaging from his Trad flank.

    If Mr. Hoffman's public statements are in such frequent need of later "clarifications" that interpret them in a light of concordance with Catholic teaching, perhaps the recently departed Vatican press office directors have a potential new employer all lined up for them... one who'll keep them very nearly as busy as their old one did.


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    Re: Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
    « Reply #13 on: January 02, 2019, 11:25:18 PM »
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  • Tell me, genius, if not from the Holy Ghost, whence comes the authority and the wisdom for a pope to speak ex cathedra and define a doctrine of the Faith? No Catholic with half a brain or more needs to hear this elementary fact of the Faith constantly asserted and repeated. Will your next complaint be that you're hearing insufficient insistence upon the wrongfulness of lying or murder?

    Consider sticking to what you do best, Incredulous: embedding rubbishy pictures accompanied by adolescent wisecracks. Leave the thinking to folks with the requisite software.

    Gee, it almost sounds like Michael Hoffman's writing ? :furtive:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Is Michael Hoffman Catholic?
    « Reply #14 on: January 02, 2019, 11:32:28 PM »
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  • Fear not. Hoffman himself touches on the subject in the video below, at 4:21. To be precise, he contemptuously dismisses the dogma of papal infallibility as "Holy Ghost inspiration" that is merely "posited" by the "post-Renaissance Catholic Church."



    Admittedly, he seems to have some cognizance of the detrimental effect that openly flirting (if not outright cavorting) with heresy is liable to have on his (probably substantial) Traditional Catholic fanbase, so he may have backpedaled on this comment as well at some later date in an effort to stanch any further hemorrhaging from his Trad flank.

    If Mr. Hoffman's public statements are in such frequent need of later "clarifications" that interpret them in a light of concordance with Catholic teaching, perhaps the recently departed Vatican press office directors have a potential new employer all lined up for them... one who'll keep them very nearly as busy as their old one did.

    :-\... A most beautiful rebuttal BTNYC!

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

     

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