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Offline cassini

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IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
« on: March 16, 2020, 09:22:21 AM »
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  • I presume we all know about the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?

    Today, across the world, a virus threatens many living humans. It is a world war like no other.

    How many of us, if Pope, would not seek the help of heaven in the best way we could, by enacting the instructions of Our Lady in the hope of divine intervention, rather than closing churches and hiding themselves in the safety of the Vatican.

    Why don't Catholics around the world demand that the man who occupuies the Chair of Peter do what he was asked to do in union with all the bishops of the world?

    When doing so they can ask God to give us protection against this life threatening killer of the elderly and the sick. God protect us all.


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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #1 on: March 16, 2020, 10:42:50 AM »
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  • Supposedly, both Putin and the Russian Patriarch would be OK with this.  It's not the Russians who have an issue with it --- it is the Vatican.  Can't imagine why... ;)

    http://op54rosary.ning.com/forum/topics/president-putin-asks-for-the-consecration-of-russia-francis-says-


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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #2 on: March 16, 2020, 02:56:26 PM »
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  • PIUS XII APOSTOLIC LETTER
    SACRO VERGENTE ANNO


     CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA 
      TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY
     July 7, 1952


    9. Consecration of the peoples of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary
     We, therefore, so that more easily Our and your prayers are answered, and to give you a singular attestation of Our particular benevolence, as a few years ago we consecrated the whole world to the immaculate Heart of the virgin Mother of God, so now, so very special, we consecrate all the peoples of Russia to the same immaculate Heart, in the sure confidence that with the most powerful patronage of the Virgin Mary the vows will come true happily as soon as possible, that We, that you, that all the good people form for true peace, for a fraternal concord and due liberty to all and primarily to the church;  so that, through the prayer that We raise together with you and with all Christians, the salvific kingdom of Christ, which is "the kingdom of truth and life, the kingdom of holiness and grace, the kingdom of justice, love and peace », in every part of the earth triumph and consolidate steadily.
    And with supplicative invocation we pray to the very Mother very clear, that she may assist each of you in the present calamities and obtain for her divine Son for your minds that light that comes from Heaven, and implore for your souls that virtue and that fortitude, for which, supported by divine grace, may you victoriously overcome all impiety and error.
                                                                          PIO PP.XII
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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #3 on: March 17, 2020, 07:23:18 AM »
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  • PIUS XII APOSTOLIC LETTER
    SACRO VERGENTE ANNO





    CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA
      TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY
    July 7, 1952


    9. Consecration of the peoples of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary
     We, therefore, so that more easily Our and your prayers are answered, and to give you a singular attestation of Our particular benevolence, as a few years ago we consecrated the whole world to the immaculate Heart of the virgin Mother of God, so now, so very special, we consecrate all the peoples of Russia to the same immaculate Heart, in the sure confidence that with the most powerful patronage of the Virgin Mary the vows will come true happily as soon as possible, that We, that you, that all the good people form for true peace, for a fraternal concord and due liberty to all and primarily to the church;  so that, through the prayer that We raise together with you and with all Christians, the salvific kingdom of Christ, which is "the kingdom of truth and life, the kingdom of holiness and grace, the kingdom of justice, love and peace », in every part of the earth triumph and consolidate steadily.
    And with supplicative invocation we pray to the very Mother very clear, that she may assist each of you in the present calamities and obtain for her divine Son for your minds that light that comes from Heaven, and implore for your souls that virtue and that fortitude, for which, supported by divine grace, may you victoriously overcome all impiety and error.
                                                                         PIO PP.XII
    Then it's really quite simple --- Pius XII fulfilled the request of Our Lady in 1952.  It took 39 years for communism to fall in Russia, but God's time is not our time --- that much is basic Catholicism 101.  End of story.

    As far as I am aware, nowhere in the Fatima message does Our Lady specify that it has to be in union with the bishops of the world, nor simultaneously on the same day in all of the cathedrals of the world, and so on.  Not sure how that part got added in.  All of this sheepish agonizing over "consecrating the world of which Russia is a part", or PJPII muttering under his breath "and Russia" when he consecrated the world, and so on, was unnecessary.

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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #4 on: March 17, 2020, 08:06:43 AM »
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  • Then it's really quite simple --- Pius XII fulfilled the request of Our Lady in 1952.  It took 39 years for communism to fall in Russia, but God's time is not our time --- that much is basic Catholicism 101.  End of story.

    As far as I am aware, nowhere in the Fatima message does Our Lady specify that it has to be in union with the bishops of the world, nor simultaneously on the same day in all of the cathedrals of the world, and so on.  Not sure how that part got added in.  All of this sheepish agonizing over "consecrating the world of which Russia is a part", or PJPII muttering under his breath "and Russia" when he consecrated the world, and so on, was unnecessary.
    Russia was not converted however. It also most certainly did spread its errors. 


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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #5 on: March 17, 2020, 08:45:26 AM »
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    As far as I am aware, nowhere in the Fatima message does Our Lady specify that it has to be in union with the bishops of the world, nor simultaneously on the same day in all of the cathedrals of the world, and so on.  Not sure how that part got added in.
    Dude, anyone who has spent more than a few hours reading the WHOLE story of Fatima, knows that the request to consecrate Russia happened in 1929, not in the original 1917 apparitions.  See below for the famous message.  The requirement for "all the bishops of the world" to be involved is clear, and everyone has known this for decades.  Ergo, while P. Pius XII's consecration was good, as was P. JPII's, they did NOT fulfill the Fatima request.
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    You shouldn't be talking about Fatima if you're this uninformed.  Have some humility.
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    The Vision of the Most Holy Trinity and Our Lady of Fatima at Tuy, Spain, June 13, 1929
    It was at this time, at the most solemn apparition of the whole series of Fatima apparitions, that Our Lady said to Sister Lucy:
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    “The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father to make, and to order that in union with him and at the same time, all the bishops of the world make the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to convert it because of this day of prayer and worldwide reparation.”
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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #6 on: March 17, 2020, 09:17:01 AM »
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  • Dude, anyone who has spent more than a few hours reading the WHOLE story of Fatima, knows that the request to consecrate Russia happened in 1929, not in the original 1917 apparitions.  See below for the famous message.  The requirement for "all the bishops of the world" to be involved is clear, and everyone has known this for decades.  Ergo, while P. Pius XII's consecration was good, as was P. JPII's, they did NOT fulfill the Fatima request.
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    You shouldn't be talking about Fatima if you're this uninformed.  Have some humility.
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    The Vision of the Most Holy Trinity and Our Lady of Fatima at Tuy, Spain, June 13, 1929
    It was at this time, at the most solemn apparition of the whole series of Fatima apparitions, that Our Lady said to Sister Lucy:
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    “The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father to make, and to order that in union with him and at the same time, all the bishops of the world make the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to convert it because of this day of prayer and worldwide reparation.”
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    You are spot on Pax Vobis.  Thank you very much for this TRUTH.

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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #7 on: March 17, 2020, 09:55:17 AM »
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  • Then it's really quite simple --- Pius XII fulfilled the request of Our Lady in 1952.  It took 39 years for communism to fall in Russia, but God's time is not our time --- that much is basic Catholicism 101.  End of story.

    How's that "Reign of the Immaculate Heart" working for you right about now? I guess Our Lady doesn't mind abortion. pedophilia, LGBTQ  ,fake wars and fake pandemics. Sheesh- give me a break.


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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
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  • The CONSECRATION is definitely late, and we were told that this would be the case;  however, the promise is certain that THE CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA WILL BE DONE AND THE IMMACULATE HEART WILL TRIUMPH.

    Here is a story and a link below to the video of the mayor as he consecrates Venice, Italy to the IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY.



    Coronavirus: Mayor Consecrates Venice to Immaculate Heart of Mary



    Luigi Brugnaro, 58, the mayor of Venice, Italy, visited on March 13 the beautiful basilica of Our Lady of Health (Madonna della Salute).
     
     Dressed with his mayor sash, he read out a prayer to Our Lady, praying for health and consecrating his city to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
     
     The prayer was written by the Venice Patriarch Francesco Moraglia.
     
     The basilica and the feast of Our Lady of Health originate from the Italian plague epidemic of 1630-1631.
     
     In June 2015 Brugnaro removed 49 books containing homosex propaganda from public kindergartens and schools.



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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #9 on: March 17, 2020, 11:55:36 AM »
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  • In the past, a Catholic Italy would have had all the bishops consecrating the country to Our Lady to help with corona.

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  • Italian air forces are flying over entire cities, with our Lady of Fatima and the Most Blessed Sacrament





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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #11 on: March 17, 2020, 02:08:54 PM »
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  • Supposedly, both Putin and the Russian Patriarch would be OK with this.  It's not the Russians who have an issue with it --- it is the Vatican.  Can't imagine why... ;)

    http://op54rosary.ning.com/forum/topics/president-putin-asks-for-the-consecration-of-russia-francis-says-

    Great debate lads, and this video from Simpleman is a must see for everyone. I heard about it before, but it is far more credible nowadays. How is Our Lady going to get it done?  Keep well lads and lassies and may God keep us safe. Got Mass today St Patrick's day.

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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #12 on: March 17, 2020, 02:22:25 PM »
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  • [All this has all been revealed by GOD throughout the entire history of mankind from its CREATION BY GOD up to today as we face the global pandemic, corona virus, which is a chastisement for the sins of mankind that are committed on the global scale. Also, we must not forget that Our Blessed Mother revealed in Her Fatima Messages that the sins of men would bring about the chastisements which are war, plagues, famines, and bad leaders in the church and throughout the world, etc… According to GOD’S JUSTICE and DUE TO the overwhelming SINS of mankind, we face all these.

    If we turn to God in repentance, we will face the mercy of GOD at his appointed time; however, if we do not repent and turn back to GOD, it stands to reason that we will most likely lengthen the time and degree of the chastisements.  Also, as individuals, we choose the eternal damnation of our souls if we refuse God’s call to repentance.

    In God’s mercy, our Queen of Heaven and Earth also revealed that the commanded CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA WILL BE DONE, and HER IMMACULATE HEART WILL TRIUMPH (though it will be late).

    The Blessed Virgin Mary has revealed that we must pray the daily Rosary and wear Her Brown Scapular for these times in which we live.  She is Mother of GOD and our Mother.]

    [I have excerpted and rearranged the following long article from LIFESITE NEWS.]

    Coronavirus is ‘the killer of globalization’ and a ‘scourge’ from God: Roberto de Mattei

    God does not only exist; God is concerned for his creatures, and he rewards or chastises rational creatures according each one’s merits or faults. The Catechism of Saint Pius X teaches: “God rewards the good and chastises the wicked because he is infinite justice....”

    But history is not a deterministic succession of events. The master of history is God, not the masters of chaos. The killer of globalization is a global virus called the Coronavirus.

    Justice, theologians explain, is one of the infinite perfections of God. The infinite mercy of God presupposed his infinite justice.

    Among Catholics the concept of justice, like the concept of divine justice, is often removed. And yet the doctrine of the Church teaches the existence of a particular judgment that follows the death of every person, with the immediate reward or punishment of the soul, and of a universal judgment in which all angels and all human beings will be judged for their thoughts, words, actions, and omissions.

    The theology of history tells us that God rewards and punishes not only men but also collectivities and social groups: families, nations, civilizations. But while men have their reward or chastisement, sometimes on earth but always in heaven, nations, which do not have an eternal life, are punished or rewarded only on earth.

    God is righteous and rewarding and gives to each what is his due: he not only chastises individual persons but he also sends tribulations to families, cities, and nations for the sins which they commit. Earthquakes, famines, epidemics, wars, and revolutions have always been considered as divine chastisements. As Father Pedro de Ribadaneira (1527-1611) writes: “wars and plagues, droughts and famines, fires and all other disastrous calamities are chastisement for the sins of entire populations.”

    “But while men have their reward or chastisement, sometimes on earth but always in heaven, nations, which do not have an eternal life, are punished or rewarded only on earth.”

    The great sin of our time is the loss of faith by the men of the Church: not of this or that man of the Church but of the men of the Church in their collective whole, with few exceptions, thanks to whom the Church does not lose her visibility. This sin produces blindness of the mind and hardening of the heart: indifference to the violation of the divine order of the universe.

    The priests are silent, the bishops are silent, the Pope is silent.

    We are approaching Holy Week and Easter. And yet for the first time in many centuries in Italy, the churches are closed, Masses are suspended, and even Saint Peter’s Basilica is closed. The Holy Week and Easter liturgies will not be drawing pilgrims from all over the world. God, also punishes by “subtraction” as Saint Bernardine of Siena says, and today it seems like he has removed the churches, the Mother of all churches from the supreme Pastor, while the Catholic people are groping confused in the dark, deprived of the light of truth that should illuminate the world from Saint Peter’s Basilica. How can we not see in what the Coronavirus is producing a symbolic consequence of the self-destruction of the Church?

    The result may be a collapse of the state and of public authority, leading to social anarchy.  But whereas this may look desirable to the globalists longing for one world government, De Mattei argues that it will actually foil their plans.

    “Someone might observe that this process corresponds to the project of the globalist lobbies, the ‘masters of chaos’ as Professor Renato Cristin defines them in his excellent book,” De Mattei says.

    “But if this is true, it is also true that what emerges defeated from this crisis is the utopia of globalization, presented as the great road destined to lead to the unification of the human race,” he continues.

    “Globalization actually destroys space and pulverizes distances: today the key to escaping the epidemic is social distance, the isolation of the individual. The quarantine is diametrically opposed to the “open society” hoped for by George Soros. The conception of man as a relationship, typical of a certain school of philosophical personalism, declines.”

    In terms of political and social sciences, the scholar explains that the Covid-19 coronavirus pandemic may signal the end of globalization. It may cause the collapse of the Italian medical system and of the supply chains that drive the national economy. The central banks will not be able to prevent the resultant financial disaster.

    Saint Bernardine of Siena (1380-1444) admonished:  There are three scourges with which God chastises: war, plague, and famine. Saint Bernardine belongs to a number of saints like Catherine of Siena, Bridget of Sweden, Vincent Ferrer, Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort, who warned how throughout history natural disasters have always accompanied the infidelities and apostasy of nations. It happened at the end of the Christian Middle Ages, and it seems to be happening today. Saints like Bernardine of Siena did not attribute these events to the work of evil agents but to the sins of men, which are even more grave if they are collective sins and still more grave if tolerated or promoted by the rulers of the peoples and by those who govern the Church.

    At Fatima the Blessed Mother has revealed to us the scenario of our time, and she assured us of her triumph. With the humility of those who are aware that they can do nothing by their own strength, but also with the confidence of those who know that everything is possible with the help of God, we do not retreat, and we entrust ourselves to Mary at the tragic hour of the events foretold by the message of Fatima.

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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #13 on: March 17, 2020, 02:48:44 PM »
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  • Dude, anyone who has spent more than a few hours reading the WHOLE story of Fatima, knows that the request to consecrate Russia happened in 1929, not in the original 1917 apparitions.  See below for the famous message.  The requirement for "all the bishops of the world" to be involved is clear, and everyone has known this for decades.  Ergo, while P. Pius XII's consecration was good... they did NOT fulfill the Fatima request.
    What Our Lady said in 1917 came true. The Bishops were not required nor were they predicted to do it. They were merely requested.

    Our Lady’s statement at Fatima on July 13, 1917:
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    You see hell, where the souls of poor sinners go.  To save them God wishes to establish in the world the devotion to my Immaculate Heart.  If they do what I will tell you, many souls will be saved, and there will be peace.  The war is going to end.  But if they do not stop offending God, another and worse war will begin in the reign of Pius XI. When you shall see a night illuminated by an unknown light, know that it is a great sign that God gives you that He is going to punish the world for its crimes by means of war, of hunger, and of persecution of the Church and of the Holy Father.  To prevent this I come to ask the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and the Communion of reparation on the first Saturdays.  If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace.  If not she will scatter her errors through the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church.  The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated.  In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph.  The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and it will be converted and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world.”
    What Our Lady actually predicted, came true; that time has come and gone.
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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #14 on: March 17, 2020, 02:53:56 PM »
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  • How's that "Reign of the Immaculate Heart" working for you right about now? I guess Our Lady doesn't mind abortion. pedophilia, LGBTQ  ,fake wars and fake pandemics. Sheesh- give me a break.

    What does the "Reign of the Immaculate Heart" mean to you?
    An Even7