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Offline roscoe

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Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2020, 03:03:00 PM »
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  •  Pope Pius XII  is a higher authority than those  claiming the Consecration is still needed. :sleep:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #16 on: March 17, 2020, 04:13:51 PM »
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    Pope Pius XII  is a higher authority than those  claiming the Consecration is still needed.
    He never said/claimed that he fulfilled the request.  He simply consecrated Russia on his own.  This wasn't even close to doing what Our Lady asked.


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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #17 on: March 17, 2020, 04:13:59 PM »
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  • Dude, anyone who has spent more than a few hours reading the WHOLE story of Fatima, knows that the request to consecrate Russia happened in 1929, not in the original 1917 apparitions.  See below for the famous message.  The requirement for "all the bishops of the world" to be involved is clear, and everyone has known this for decades.  Ergo, while P. Pius XII's consecration was good, as was P. JPII's, they did NOT fulfill the Fatima request.
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    You shouldn't be talking about Fatima if you're this uninformed.  Have some humility.
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    The Vision of the Most Holy Trinity and Our Lady of Fatima at Tuy, Spain, June 13, 1929
    It was at this time, at the most solemn apparition of the whole series of Fatima apparitions, that Our Lady said to Sister Lucy:
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    “The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father to make, and to order that in union with him and at the same time, all the bishops of the world make the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to convert it because of this day of prayer and worldwide reparation.”
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    I do stand corrected.  Obviously I thought I knew what I was talking about, otherwise I wouldn't have said it.  I was simply going by what Our Lady asked in 1917, which did not contain details about how this consecration was to take place.  I'm sure I read, many years ago, about her further request at Tuy in 1929, but that was not on my radar screen.   Thank you for reminding me.

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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #18 on: March 17, 2020, 04:23:50 PM »
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    I do stand corrected.  Obviously I thought I knew what I was talking about, otherwise I wouldn't have said it.  I was simply going by what Our Lady asked in 1917, which did not contain details about how this consecration was to take place.  I'm sure I read, many years ago, about her further request at Tuy in 1929, but that was not on my radar screen.   Thank you for reminding me.
    No problem.  It's shocking that there is still so much misinformation about Fatima out there and I get irritated.  I'm sorry for that.

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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #19 on: March 17, 2020, 04:47:44 PM »
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  • At this point, wouldn't it be more profitable to focus on the consecration of oneself to the BVM?
    True Devotion To Mary

    I've come to accept that sin causes a kind of spiritual amnesia or corruption -- any number of people I may encounter on any given day are so steeped in it that they've come to hate God and virtue. I cannot allow myself to become of that number. The only solution is to armor myself with God. I pray for the people I encounter each day, but I am powerless over them and I feel that we're all running out of time. 

    I must attend to my own soul. 


    Offline josefamenendez

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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #20 on: March 17, 2020, 06:52:18 PM »
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  • What does the "Reign of the Immaculate Heart" mean to you?
    The  Reign of the Immaculate Heart was described by Our Lady as a "period of peace"- a generation when all would acknowledge her Queenship and the Social Kingship of her Son. Most (if not all) will convert to Catholicism. This will be a period of adherence to the restored Church and a time of abundance and good will. As is the nature of man,this period will eventually be corrupted by sin and the pride of life.
    Of course the Reign of the Immaculate Heart can take place now in our own (hearts)

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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #21 on: March 17, 2020, 07:34:18 PM »
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  • Lord have mercy.

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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #22 on: March 24, 2020, 11:27:44 AM »
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  • You couldn't make it up, could you? Here is the response of the guy who occupies the chair of Peter. This is little less than pantheism of sorts. 



    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-blames-coronavirus-on-nature-having-a-fit-over-environmental-damage?utm_source=onesignal


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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #23 on: March 24, 2020, 06:57:43 PM »
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  • What Our Lady actually predicted [re: Russia], came true; that time has come and gone.
    What are you smoking...and can you send me some?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #24 on: March 24, 2020, 08:48:13 PM »
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  • "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #25 on: April 22, 2020, 11:34:58 AM »
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  • I presume we all know about the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?

    Today, across the world, a virus threatens many living humans. It is a world war like no other.

    How many of us, if Pope, would not seek the help of heaven in the best way we could, by enacting the instructions of Our Lady in the hope of divine intervention, rather than closing churches and hiding themselves in the safety of the Vatican.

    Why don't Catholics around the world demand that the man who occupuies the Chair of Peter do what he was asked to do in union with all the bishops of the world?

    When doing so they can ask God to give us protection against this life threatening killer of the elderly and the sick. God protect us all.
    I don't think the coronavirus will cause the consecration.

    However, I do think the Warning will cause the consecration.

    The bishops have not done as Our Lady asked since 1960. It will require that their consciences be corrected for it to happen. The Warning provides that correction of the worlds' consciences, including the bishops.


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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #26 on: July 27, 2020, 12:12:30 PM »
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  • It was I who started this thread thinking that this promise of a consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary would solve all the problems of mankind.

    Since then I have pondered on this never ending 'solution' of Fatima that is so wrapped up in controversy that maybe it is time to reconsider all the facts involved. My first, and not my last, problem with Fatima came many years ago when I was told the story that Lucia asked the vision about one of her dead friends. The answer, we are told by Lucia; was that she was in Purgatory and would stay there until the end of time.

    This of course contradicts Catholic teaching on Purgatory introduced in 1476 by Pope Sixtus IV that we can lesson the time souls spend in Purgatory by prayer and that we can even gain a plenary indulgence that takes a soul out of Purgatory.

    I recall as a young altar boy, a group of us used to cycle around churches getting souls out of Purgatory and into heaven. How many millions of such souls have benefited in the following way.

    Visit to a Church or Oratory on All Souls Day. PLENARY INDULGENCE. A plenary indulgence, applicable ONLY to the souls in purgatory, may be obtained by those who, on All Souls Day, piously visit a church, public oratory, or for those entitled to use it, a semi-public oratory.  It may be acquired either on the day designated as All Souls Day or, with the consent of the bishop, on the preceding or following Sunday or the feast of All Saints. On visiting the church or oratory it is required that one Our Father and the Creed be recited.

    Visit to a Cemetery. Only applicable to the souls in Purgatory when one devoutly visits and prays for the departed. A PLENARY INDULGENCE is bestowed for this work each day between November 1 and November 8

    Now can anyone please tell me how the vision, said to be Our Lady from Heaven, could actually tell Lucia that her friend would be in Limbo until the end of time, when the Church of Christ had long shown how to get souls out of Purgatory?


    Offline Mr G

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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #27 on: July 27, 2020, 01:33:53 PM »
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  • It was I who started this thread thinking that this promise of a consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary would solve all the problems of mankind.

    ... The answer, we are told by Lucia; was that she was in Purgatory and would stay there until the end of time.

    This of course contradicts Catholic teaching on Purgatory introduced in 1476 by Pope Sixtus IV that we can lesson the time souls spend in Purgatory by prayer and that we can even gain a plenary indulgence that takes a soul out of Purgatory.
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    Visit to a Church or Oratory on All Souls Day. PLENARY INDULGENCE. A plenary indulgence, applicable ONLY to the souls in purgatory, may be obtained by those who, on All Souls Day, piously visit a church, public oratory, or for those entitled to use it, a semi-public oratory.  It may be acquired either on the day designated as All Souls Day or, with the consent of the bishop, on the preceding or following Sunday or the feast of All Saints. On visiting the church or oratory it is required that one Our Father and the Creed be recited.

    Visit to a Cemetery. Only applicable to the souls in Purgatory when one devoutly visits and prays for the departed. A PLENARY INDULGENCE is bestowed for this work each day between November 1 and November 8

    Now can anyone please tell me how the vision, said to be Our Lady from Heaven, could actually tell Lucia that her friend would be in Limbo until the end of time, when the Church of Christ had long shown how to get souls out of Purgatory?
    Does the Church infallibly teach that indulgences can be be applied to a specific person of our choosing, guaranteed, with no qualifications? Or is the indulgence applied to an unspecific soul in purgatory which is not made known to us?

    Either way, keep praying for poor Amelia and the other souls in Purgatory.

    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #28 on: July 27, 2020, 01:34:32 PM »
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  • 1.  God decides who your prayers/penances are applied to.  2.  There are different levels of suffering in purgatory.  One day spent in the lowest part could be vastly worse than 3 centuries in the upper part.  So just because this girl is said to be there til the end of time, doesn’t mean she’s in the worse spot.  
    3.  Our Lady told us about the girl’s fate AT THAT TIME.  It doesn’t mean that she couldn’t be released earlier.  In fact, the very reason of Our Lady telling us about this girl is a mercy so that others would pray for her.  Had She not told us, no one would probably think to pray for this girl. 

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    Re: IS IT TIME NOW FOR THE CONSECRATION?
    « Reply #29 on: August 04, 2020, 08:21:15 PM »
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  • August 6 1945 first atomic bomb on Hiroshima. 75th anniversary. Four priest of the Jesuit order of Our Lady of the Assumption church, survived. 

    More than a year later, in Plainfield, New Jersey priest Rev. Harold V. Colgan, Pastor of St. Mary's Church had just finished offering a Requiem Mass.  He collapsed at the foot of the altar.  Heart Attack and doctors gave him a few weeks to live.  F. Colgan completely cured, walked from the hospital.  He promised the Blessed Virgin Mary he would spend the rest of his life spreading devotion to Her.  The Blue Army spread to some 25 million persons in 57 nations.

    May we help to spread devotion of the Rosary as St. Dominic did, as well.  Prayer is the answer!