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Offline greenhill

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Is it permitted for a Catholic to be "anti-semitic"?
« on: November 09, 2009, 09:15:31 AM »
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  • I have an idea that "anti-semitism" is a red herring. Nevertheless I am shocked by certain Christians defending Hitler and splitting hairs about whether the nαzι regime was worse than Communism. It is well known that the Mao Tse Tung regime murdered more people than Hitler and that it is still going on. But isn´t this just a numbers thing? Where Catholics like Bernhard Lichtenberg and Pius XII wrong then? I am aware of the h0Ɩ0cαųst Religion, but was it a hoax? My mother witnessed the nαzι murders in her home town.


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    Is it permitted for a Catholic to be "anti-semitic"?
    « Reply #1 on: November 09, 2009, 09:35:01 AM »
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  • The entire thing was not a "hoax" but went on within the actual cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs is hotly debated.




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    Is it permitted for a Catholic to be "anti-semitic"?
    « Reply #2 on: November 09, 2009, 11:24:42 AM »
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    The entire thing was not a "hoax" but went on within the actual cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs is hotly debated.


    Not by people who know the truth.
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    Offline greenhill

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    Is it permitted for a Catholic to be "anti-semitic"?
    « Reply #3 on: November 09, 2009, 11:45:48 AM »
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  • It is very confusing!!!!
    I think the term "anti-semitism" is a double-bind. I think there is no Jєωιѕн race and if there is no such race what was the nαzι thing all about and Zionism, which is obviously a trick and evil. If Jєω is to do with a religion, does he stop being a Jєω when he becomes a Catholic?

    Are these stupid questions?

    But surely the h0Ɩ0cαųst is not a hoax. Why would the guards and SS officers admit it? And why would they make a desparate attempt to cover up their crimes? And what about non-Jєωιѕн prisoners, like Catholics, who witnessed it? All they all lying?

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    Is it permitted for a Catholic to be "anti-semitic"?
    « Reply #4 on: November 09, 2009, 12:28:56 PM »
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  • Are you serious?  There is nothing confusing about the h0Ɩ0cαųst.  Hitler thought Judaism was a race and had the nαzιs murder around six million Jєωs.  But he didn't stop with them.  Anyone who considered a "pollution" to the Aryan race was killed too.  This taken from the h0Ɩ0cαųst Museum-Houston -

    Between 1939 and 1945, the SS, assisted by collaborationist governments and recruits from occupied countries, systematically killed somewhere between 11 and 14 million people, including about six million Jєωs,[142][143] in cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs, ghettos and mass executions, or through less systematic methods elsewhere. In addition to those gassed to death, many died as a result of starvation and disease while working as slave labourers (sometimes benefiting private German companies). Along with Jєωs, non-Jєωιѕн Poles, Communists and political opponents, members of resistance groups, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, Roma, the physically handicapped and mentally retarded, Soviet prisoners of war (possibly as many as three million), Jehovah's Witnesses, Adventists, trade unionists, and psychiatric patients were killed. One of the biggest centers of mass-killing was the extermination camp complex of Auschwitz-Birkenau. Hitler never visited the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs[citation needed] and did not speak publicly about the killing in precise terms.

    No, they are not stupid questions.  I'm just surprised to hear anyone question this.  You're right too - Judaism is not a race, and the Jєωs I know (and I know a lot), agree that it is a religion.  Therefore, when a Jєω converts to Catholicism, he is Catholic.  However, a lot of Jєωs identify themselves with the culture of Judaism.  In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jєωs are a race, but this was for purposes of certain anti-discrimination laws. Their reasoning: at the time these laws were passed, people routinely spoke of the "Jєωιѕн race" or the "Italian race" as well as the "Negro race," so that is what the legislators intended to protect.

    However, "race" is a genetic distinction, and refers to people with shared ancestry and shared genetic traits. You can't change your race; it's in your DNA. I could never become Black or Asian no matter how much I might want to.

    Don't be confused, just be informed! :smirk:

    Teresa
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    Is it permitted for a Catholic to be "anti-semitic"?
    « Reply #5 on: November 09, 2009, 12:39:44 PM »
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  • Who is by denetics Semites and are not are debatable-the clearest are the Arabs.....

    One would first have to define what semites are and then what antisemitism is......the Church traditionally defines antisemitism as a hatred of a person due to their race.......which is evil, but that opposing systems of beleif/worship are not evil, but ones duty......ie, Zionism...
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    Is it permitted for a Catholic to be "anti-semitic"?
    « Reply #6 on: November 09, 2009, 12:51:59 PM »
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  • "However, until they re-discover their true Messianic vocation, they may be expected to continue fanatically agitating, in accordance with their false messianic vocation of Jєωιѕн world-dominion, to prepare the Anti-Christ's throne in Jerusalem. So we may fear their continuing to play their major part in the agitation of the East and in the corruption of the West. Here the wise Catholic will remember that, again, the ex-Christian nations have only their own Liberalism to blame for allowing free circulation within Christendom to the enemies of Christ."

    Bishop Williamson
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    Is it permitted for a Catholic to be "anti-semitic"?
    « Reply #7 on: November 09, 2009, 02:13:51 PM »
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  • Thank you, Theresa. Actually, I totally agree with you. But, I look at Traditionalist blogspots and see a lot of people calling themselves Catholics who support Hitler because he was against Communism and endless tirades about Jєωs and I get a chilly feeling in my stomach. I think it is un-Christian to lump people together because of their race. My conscience tells me that is wrong!
    Yes, as you say, people like Hitler made the Jєωs a race.

    They go on about Polish antisemitism but many Polish Catholics were murdered for helping Jєωs.
    That to me is true Christianity!


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    « Reply #8 on: November 09, 2009, 02:24:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: Belloc
    "However, until they re-discover their true Messianic vocation, they may be expected to continue fanatically agitating, in accordance with their false messianic vocation of Jєωιѕн world-dominion, to prepare the Anti-Christ's throne in Jerusalem. So we may fear their continuing to play their major part in the agitation of the East and in the corruption of the West. Here the wise Catholic will remember that, again, the ex-Christian nations have only their own Liberalism to blame for allowing free circulation within Christendom to the enemies of Christ."

    Bishop Williamson


    I am not trying to denigrate the good bishop but I think that commercialism, globalism, feminism, "gαy rights", self-expression, indifference, post-post-Vatican II, picturesque New Age nonsense and abortion culture are far greater enemies of Christendom now than the Protocols. Zionism is only a horrible part of that picture. I feel that Judaism is as empty a threat as modern-day Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. Judaism hardly exists anymore anyway. It has become a business and freeloaders club of Zionist atheists.

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    Is it permitted for a Catholic to be "anti-semitic"?
    « Reply #9 on: November 09, 2009, 02:35:44 PM »
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  • Oh dear, will I be chucked out for saying the above?

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    « Reply #10 on: November 09, 2009, 02:54:25 PM »
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  • Nope, that was very arrogant of me. I had no right to criticise a bishop of the Church and think I know better.
    I am sorry for that.......and not only because I am scared of being ejected!!!!!!
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    « Reply #11 on: November 09, 2009, 03:15:37 PM »
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  • Don't worry Greenhill.....Bishop Williamson has set himself up for criticism, and I'm sure he himself is aware of that.

    Teresa
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    « Reply #12 on: November 09, 2009, 04:20:40 PM »
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  • Decent of you to say that Teresa.

    I just had the idea that if we all start criticising bishops, archbishops and popes, the Church will end up even more in crisis. It will end up like a cross between a northern English Novus parish and Catholic Info and then we will be lost entirely! :laugh1:

    Seriously though, it doesn´t do much good for my sins of Pride to always think I have the answer and we will all get judged one day anyway.

    I suppose it is the same in America, England and everywhere. Catholics here in Germany have always got some favourite bishop to knock. Really! It´s like every six months the papers have got a new bishop to bash! Catholic only, of course!

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    « Reply #13 on: November 09, 2009, 04:52:55 PM »
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    « Reply #14 on: November 09, 2009, 06:06:52 PM »
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    The entire thing was not a "hoax" but went on within the actual cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs is hotly debated.


    Not by people who know the truth.


    http://revisionisthistory.org/wwtwo.html