Author Topic: Is it a sin to attend Novus Ordo Mass? (Read 5811 times)

InfiniteFaith · « **on:** May 15, 2015, 08:53:33 PM »

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Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** May 15, 2015, 09:17:48 PM »

I believe it is a sin, especially if there are abuses like altar girls, female Eucharistic monsters and communion in the hand. But I am no expert so I may be wrong.

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #2 on:** May 15, 2015, 09:50:25 PM »

I would say it all depends on your opinion of the NOM. If you think it's a valid Mass (which a point can be made for with the new translation), then going to one is not a sin. If you don't (another point can be made for that), then obviously it is.

Matto · « **Reply #3 on:** May 15, 2015, 10:06:16 PM »

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I would say it all depends on your opinion of the NOM. If you think it's a valid Mass (which a point can be made for with the new translation), then going to one is not a sin. If you don't (another point can be made for that), then obviously it is.

I think you are wrong here. I believe that if the Novus Ordo is valid, it would be a greater sin to attend. Because if it is valid then Christ is truly present where he is mocked and ridiculed and abused by the priest and the people in attendance.

MrYeZe · « **Reply #4 on:** May 15, 2015, 11:23:34 PM »

Well, it might be a sin if it's not a valid mass, but it wouldn't be a mortal sin since, if you've been going to it up until now, you must not have been aware that it wasn't valid, and to be a mortal sin, you have to be aware that it is, indeed, a mortal sin.

Matto · « **Reply #5 on:** May 15, 2015, 11:29:25 PM »

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Well, it might be a sin if it's not a valid mass, but it wouldn't be a mortal sin since, if you've been going to it up until now, you must not have been aware that it wasn't valid, and to be a mortal sin, you have to be aware that it is, indeed, a mortal sin.

I think you are walking on the edge of a very sharp knife.

MrYeZe · « **Reply #6 on:** May 16, 2015, 12:14:35 AM »

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Well, it might be a sin if it's not a valid mass, but it wouldn't be a mortal sin since, if you've been going to it up until now, you must not have been aware that it wasn't valid, and to be a mortal sin, you have to be aware that it is, indeed, a mortal sin.

I think you are walking on the edge of a very sharp knife.

I really just don't want to risk my salvation by attending mass outside the Church which may, or may not, be legitimate. What would you recommend?

Prayerful · « **Reply #7 on:** May 16, 2015, 05:05:56 AM »

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All these Popes have resisted the union of the Church with the revolution; it is an adulterous union and from such a union only bastards can come. The rite of the new mass is a bastard rite, the sacraments are bastard sacraments. We no longer know if they are sacraments which give grace or do not give it. The priests coming out of the seminaries are bastard priests, who do not know what they are. They are unaware that they are made to go up to the altar, to offer the sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ and to give Jesus Christ to souls.

I think Archbishop Lefebvre said it well in his Letter to Confused Catholics. Some Masses may be valid, NO priests may be good and holy, but it is safer for a person's soul to avoid the Masonic Bugini-ICEL service that calls itself a Mass.

Jaynek · « **Reply #8 on:** May 16, 2015, 07:07:01 AM »

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Well, it might be a sin if it's not a valid mass, but it wouldn't be a mortal sin since, if you've been going to it up until now, you must not have been aware that it wasn't valid, and to be a mortal sin, you have to be aware that it is, indeed, a mortal sin.

I think you are walking on the edge of a very sharp knife.

I really just don't want to risk my salvation by attending mass outside the Church which may, or may not, be legitimate. What would you recommend?

It depends on what is available to you. Is is possible for you to attend the Tridentine Mass?

MrYeZe · « **Reply #9 on:** May 16, 2015, 09:15:05 AM »

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Well, it might be a sin if it's not a valid mass, but it wouldn't be a mortal sin since, if you've been going to it up until now, you must not have been aware that it wasn't valid, and to be a mortal sin, you have to be aware that it is, indeed, a mortal sin.

I think you are walking on the edge of a very sharp knife.

I really just don't want to risk my salvation by attending mass outside the Church which may, or may not, be legitimate. What would you recommend?

It depends on what is available to you. Is is possible for you to attend the Tridentine Mass?

I could, actually. There's a SSPX church in the city.

Matthew · « **Reply #10 on:** May 16, 2015, 10:20:34 AM »

Quote from: JezusDeKoning

I would say it all depends on your opinion of the NOM. If you think it's a valid Mass (which a point can be made for with the new translation), then going to one is not a sin. If you don't (another point can be made for that), then obviously it is.

What if a Black Mass said by an apostate priest is valid? Can you attend that as well?

Validity isn't everything.

B from A · « **Reply #11 on:** May 16, 2015, 10:39:08 AM »

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All these Popes have resisted the union of the Church with the revolution; it is an adulterous union and from such a union only bastards can come. The rite of the new mass is a bastard rite, the sacraments are bastard sacraments. We no longer know if they are sacraments which give grace or do not give it. The priests coming out of the seminaries are bastard priests, who do not know what they are. They are unaware that they are made to go up to the altar, to offer the sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ and to give Jesus Christ to souls.

I think Archbishop Lefebvre said it well in his Letter to Confused Catholics. Some Masses may be valid, NO priests may be good and holy, but it is safer for a person's soul to avoid the Masonic Bugini-ICEL service that calls itself a Mass.

Quote from: Archbishop Lefebvre

It must be understood immediately that we do not hold to the absurd idea that if the New Mass is valid, we are then free to assist at it. ...It is clear that no one can assist at sacrilegious Masses or at Masses which endanger our faith.

Quote from: Archbishop Lefebvre in Open Letter to Confused Catholics

It is obvious that there are fewer and fewer valid Masses ...
Furthermore it can be said without any exaggeration whatsoever, that the majority of Masses celebrated without altar stones, with common vessels, leavened bread, with the introduction of profane words into the very body of the Canon, etc., are sacrilegious, and they prevent faith by diminishing it.

Your perplexity takes perhaps the following form: may I assist at a sacrilegious Mass which is nevertheless valid, in the absence of any other, in order to satisfy my Sunday obligation? The answer is simple: these Masses cannot be the object of an obligation; we must moreover apply to them the rules of moral theology and canon law as regards the participation or the attendance at an action which endangers the faith or may be sacrilegious.

The New Mass, even when said with piety and respect for the liturgical rules, is subject to the same reservations since it is impregnated with the spirit of Protestantism. It bears within it a poison harmful to the faith. That being the case the Catholic of today finds himself in the conditions of religious practice which prevail in missionary countries. There, the inhabitants in some regions are able to attend Mass only three or four times a year. The faithful of our country should make the effort to attend once each month at the Mass of All Time, the true source of grace and sanctification, in one of those places where it continues to be held in honor.

Jaynek · « **Reply #12 on:** May 16, 2015, 11:11:29 AM »

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Well, it might be a sin if it's not a valid mass, but it wouldn't be a mortal sin since, if you've been going to it up until now, you must not have been aware that it wasn't valid, and to be a mortal sin, you have to be aware that it is, indeed, a mortal sin.

I think you are walking on the edge of a very sharp knife.

I really just don't want to risk my salvation by attending mass outside the Church which may, or may not, be legitimate. What would you recommend?

It depends on what is available to you. Is is possible for you to attend the Tridentine Mass?

I could, actually. There's a SSPX church in the city.

You should at least check this out. It is probably a better option than attending Novus Ordo.

Whether or not attending the NO is a sin, we want to offer Our Lord the best worship within our ability.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #13 on:** May 16, 2015, 11:11:37 AM »

Positions and opinions on this differ. I know a SSPX seminary professor who claims it is sinful.

Bishop Williamson says it is not. The last conversation we had with him last Palm Sunday he stated that you cannot say that it is sinful. He gave an example of the little old lady who lives in the middle of no where and knows nothing of the combat for the Faith to preserve tradition, she attends Mass regularly and has no danger of losing her Faith. He said it is impossible to say that she is objectively sinning. (I'm not quoting him here but this is what he said in similar terms.)

I tend to agree with both opinions of the good bishop and the professor-priest.

I personally, have not put a lot of thought in the matter because I have never attended the new mass and never would. The issue only concerns me very little.

ihsv · « **Reply #14 on:** May 16, 2015, 11:14:25 AM »

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Well, it might be a sin if it's not a valid mass, but it wouldn't be a mortal sin since, if you've been going to it up until now, you must not have been aware that it wasn't valid, and to be a mortal sin, you have to be aware that it is, indeed, a mortal sin.

If one has a duty to know, and is expected to know, that principle doesn't apply. Catholics have a duty to know their religion, to know their faith, at least in its essentials. Applying basic catechism and the teachings of the Council of Trent are sufficient to prove that the New Mass is illegitimate, offensive to Catholic piety, and sacrilegious.

The reason most don't know is because they're too lazy and too indifferent to learn their faith. That, in itself, is a sin of culpable ignorance.