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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Is hunger striking ѕυιcιdє?
« on: May 03, 2014, 03:09:08 PM »
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  • Is hunger striking ѕυιcιdє when wrongfully placed in prison.

    Jesus didn't starve himself.  Instead he took up the cross to be crucified.

    We should pray for the hunger strikers souls in purgatory.

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    Is hunger striking ѕυιcιdє?
    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2014, 04:07:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Is hunger striking ѕυιcιdє when wrongfully placed in prison.

    Jesus didn't starve himself.  Instead he took up the cross to be crucified.

    We should pray for the hunger strikers souls in purgatory.



    Yes, it is sinful to willfully deprive the body of the ordinary means of survival:  food, water, air.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic


    Offline MariaCatherine

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    Is hunger striking ѕυιcιdє?
    « Reply #2 on: May 03, 2014, 06:41:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Is hunger striking ѕυιcιdє when wrongfully placed in prison.

    Jesus didn't starve himself.  Instead he took up the cross to be crucified.

    We should pray for the hunger strikers souls in purgatory.

    According to what I've read of his diary, Bobby Sands received Communion from visiting priests, and prayed the rosary.  I doubt that he thought hunger striking was sinful, since some priests seem to have supported him.  

    http://www.bobbysandstrust.com/writings/prison-diary

    The goal in a hunger strike is something other than to die.  Bobby Sands was striking to demand that Irish Republicans in prison be given recognition as political prisoners, and the rights that come with that recognition.
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    Is hunger striking ѕυιcιdє?
    « Reply #3 on: May 03, 2014, 06:58:15 PM »
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  • Yes, it is ѕυιcιdє, just as dousing oneself with gasoline and lighting oneself on fire is ѕυιcιdє.

    It doesn't matter that one is committing ѕυιcιdє to make a point.  In Catholic moral theology, ends do not justify means.

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    Is hunger striking ѕυιcιdє?
    « Reply #4 on: May 03, 2014, 07:05:29 PM »
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  • I have tried to find a specific teaching from a moralist on this, and have found a great explanation that deals with the issue in specific rather than general terms.

    The following is from The Tablet, the International Catholic News Weekly, 4 December 1920, pages 10-12.

    The Ethics Of Hunger Striking.

    http://archive.thetablet.co.uk/article/4th-december-1920/10/the-ethics-of-hunger-striking
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    Is hunger striking ѕυιcιdє?
    « Reply #5 on: May 03, 2014, 07:12:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: Judas Machabeus
    Yes, it is ѕυιcιdє, just as dousing oneself with gasoline and lighting oneself on fire is ѕυιcιdє.

    It doesn't matter that one is committing ѕυιcιdє to make a point.  In Catholic moral theology, ends do not justify means.

    You're right that the ends don't justify the means.  But I don't see how a hunger strike could be the same as ѕυιcιdє since it takes a very long time to die for lack of food, during which time the situation could change and the striker start eating again.  If the goal was ѕυιcιdє there'd be no point in doing it so slowly.  
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    « Reply #6 on: May 03, 2014, 07:25:03 PM »
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  • I think an important factor in the moral question of the Irish hunger strikes is the encouragement of the priests.  There wasn't exactly a universal condemnation of the practice from them, since some of them were receiving the sacraments right to the end.  Surely this has been factored into their particular judgments.

    At the same time, I do see the romantic influence in this, which is always straight from the devil.  
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    Is hunger striking ѕυιcιdє?
    « Reply #7 on: May 03, 2014, 10:13:44 PM »
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  • First of all, since we have a reputable article from 1920, we need to consider what it says here before we make judgment.

    But the second issue is whether or not the prisoners in the specific issue at hand were justly imprisoned.  I don't know enough about the Irish Republican Army of the 1980s except to say that I've read that they were essentially communists rather than true Irish patriots.  Is that true?  I don't know.

    If the IRA was, in those days, more of a communist front, then I would not place too much stock in the morality of their actions.  If this is simply English propaganda (which is a very good possibility) then their actions could have been meritorious.

    Frankly, I have always doubted the "official news" out of Northern Ireland.  The English really don't have a good track record on respecting the rights of Catholics.  On the other hand, many of the apparent targets of the IRA have not been what true freedom fighters would be targeting.  But then again, I had never heard of "fαℓѕє fℓαg operations" back then, either.

    I just don't know about this particular case.



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    « Reply #8 on: May 04, 2014, 06:18:21 AM »
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  • The English hierarch murdered the Irish. And even native Americans. It was really sick to give blankets with small pox to murder people.  The English were just as bad as the nαzιs during the Great Famine.    

    Yes, we should remember the Mass Rocks.  The Penal days are here again.


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    « Reply #9 on: May 04, 2014, 06:19:55 AM »
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  • Nelson Mandela was in prison.  He didn't hunger strike
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    « Reply #10 on: May 04, 2014, 06:33:54 AM »
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  • The English still persecute the Irish.  The Easter uprising.  Catholics were gunned down.
    And America continues to persecute the Irish Catholics.

    Many American films depict the IRish as criminals and the English hierarchy and police as heroes.

    Now we pray for Gerry Adams.  


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    « Reply #11 on: May 04, 2014, 06:35:53 AM »
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  • The English still persecute the Irish.  The Easter uprising.  Catholics were gunned down.
    And America continues to persecute the Irish Catholics.

    Many American films depict the IRish as criminals and the English hierarchy and police as heroes.

    Now we pray for Gerry Adams.  


    May God bless you and keep you

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    « Reply #12 on: May 04, 2014, 06:41:44 AM »
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  • In the past, I attended a Sinn Fein dinner.  A lot of politicians and Church leaders and clergy and Hibernians.
    No grace or mention of God or blessed Mother.  It upset me. This was long before I became a tradcat .     :cowboy: :cowboy:

    We go to agriculture related meetings and there is grace said.

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    « Reply #13 on: May 04, 2014, 07:48:32 AM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    In the past, I attended a Sinn Fein dinner.  A lot of politicians and Church leaders and clergy and Hibernians.
    No grace or mention of God or blessed Mother.  It upset me. This was long before I became a tradcat .     :cowboy: :cowboy:

    We go to agriculture related meetings and there is grace said.



    Sinn fein now votes for abortion in the parliment, also "gαy rights".

    Cant vote for them.

    Election is coming up now in next few weeks, government is going to get mashed and replaced with lefties and shinners. The days of Catholic Ireland are gone, last nail in the coffin is the removal of all traditional values from the law.

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    « Reply #14 on: May 04, 2014, 12:47:02 PM »
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  • Latest news in the media over here is that Gerry Adams is arrested because of an IRA murder back in 1972. Some woman was killed for helping a british soldier. They were mean times. War is war. Lots of innocent people die. It should not have been like that.