Author Topic: Is having ice cream, cookies, soda, cakes, chocolate, chips etc. sinful? (Read 2278 times)

Nadir · « **Reply #10 on:** August 11, 2015, 07:52:57 PM »

Quote from: Disputaciones

The catholic encyclopedia entry on gluttony says it's very hard to commit a mortal sin of gluttony, or that it rarely is mortal.

Not when I looked. Do you have a reference for that?

You only have to look around you to know that many folk are gluttonous.

wallflower · « **Reply #11 on:** August 11, 2015, 08:28:54 PM »

Quote from: Matto

This thread reminds me of what an SSPX priest told about the sin of gluttony. I asked him when was gluttony a mortal sin and he told me for it to be a mortal sin you had to eat so much that it made you sick.

See, that's interesting. We would assume that means that one ate so much they got sick immediately with nausea or vomiting and such. Yet so many millions are SICK today from the junk they are eating, it's just more of a slow death. It's not always immediate. In my mind, if a person knows better, and most have some level of consciousness that junk food is not good for them, then it MUST be sinful to some degree.

As far as the foods mentioned in the OP, I would counter that homemade versions of those foods can and do have nutritional benefits. Not enough for a family to live off them daily, but each has its benefits nonetheless.

Ice cream: Cream and eggs are a good source of animal fat, good for the brain. Add fruit, nuts or chocolate flavors and you get their benefits as well.

Cookies: These can be made of many nutrient dense foods such as oatmeal, dried fruit, nuts, butter/lard.

Soda: I would counter that with naturally flavored water kefir. Bubbly with any flavor you choose to give it.

Cakes: Flour, eggs, butter, milk -- all nutritious.

Chocolate: Dark chocolate is very high in Magnesium, the key mineral. Also antioxidants.

Chips: Potatoes are one of the highest potassium foods available. They are also a great source of the B vitamins.

It's really only today's mass-produced sugar & preservative-laden versions of these foods that are almost completely without merit (Soda being the only one I would consider completely without merit). But we've taken substance out of our lives in every other way, of course we've done it to our food too.

In so far as people are becoming more and more aware of just how perverted these treats have become it does seem like they are opting for more wholesome counterparts whenever they can. But it does take more work to make them at home as opposed to stopping by the corner store, so they get put in their place as true treats to celebrate special occasions. You can't be making this stuff everyday, other than the kefir.

Disputaciones · « **Reply #12 on:** August 12, 2015, 05:59:09 PM »

Quote from: Nadir

Quote from: Disputaciones

The catholic encyclopedia entry on gluttony says it's very hard to commit a mortal sin of gluttony, or that it rarely is mortal.

Not when I looked. Do you have a reference for that?

You only have to look around you to know that many folk are gluttonous.

Sorry, i said it from memory. It doesn't actually say what i wrote but it does give the impression of it. This is the part i had in mind:

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Gluttony is in general a venial sin in so far forth as it is an undue indulgence in a thing which is in itself neither good nor bad. Of course it is obvious that a different estimate would have to be given of one so wedded to the pleasures of the table as to absolutely and without qualification live merely to eat and drink, so minded as to be of the number of those, described by the Apostle St. Paul, "whose god is their belly" (Philippians 3:19). Such a one would be guilty of mortal sin. Likewise a person who, by excesses in eating and drinking, would have greatly impaired his health, or unfitted himself for duties for the performance of which he has a grave obligation, would be justly chargeable with mortal sin.

I find those two examples of mortally sinful gluttony hard to commit and thats why i said what i said.

http://newadvent.org/cathen/06590a.htm

Nadir · « **Reply #13 on:** August 12, 2015, 06:09:36 PM »

Quote from: Disputaciones

This is the part i had in mind:

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Gluttony is in general a venial sin in so far forth as it is an undue indulgence in a thing which is in itself neither good nor bad. Of course it is obvious that a different estimate would have to be given of one so wedded to the pleasures of the table as to absolutely and without qualification live merely to eat and drink, so minded as to be of the number of those, described by the Apostle St. Paul, "whose god is their belly" (Philippians 3:19). Such a one would be guilty of mortal sin. Likewise a person who, by excesses in eating and drinking, would have greatly impaired his health, or unfitted himself for duties for the performance of which he has a grave obligation, would be justly chargeable with mortal sin.

I find those two examples of mortally sinful gluttony hard to commit and thats why i said what i said.

http://newadvent.org/cathen/06590a.htm

Thanks. Where (in what country?) do you live?

Disputaciones · « **Reply #14 on:** August 12, 2015, 07:06:08 PM »

Quote from: Nadir

Quote from: Disputaciones
This is the part i had in mind:

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Gluttony is in general a venial sin in so far forth as it is an undue indulgence in a thing which is in itself neither good nor bad. Of course it is obvious that a different estimate would have to be given of one so wedded to the pleasures of the table as to absolutely and without qualification live merely to eat and drink, so minded as to be of the number of those, described by the Apostle St. Paul, "whose god is their belly" (Philippians 3:19). Such a one would be guilty of mortal sin. Likewise a person who, by excesses in eating and drinking, would have greatly impaired his health, or unfitted himself for duties for the performance of which he has a grave obligation, would be justly chargeable with mortal sin.

I find those two examples of mortally sinful gluttony hard to commit and thats why i said what i said.

http://newadvent.org/cathen/06590a.htm

Thanks. Where (in what country?) do you live?

Why?