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is God's omnipotence conditional?
« on: May 04, 2009, 03:08:58 AM »
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  • I am really puzzled. I used to believe that when God willes sth, it will be done, no matter how many people disagree, no matter how many powerful men plan to prevent it. when God says for example :"this house will not be built" it simply will not be built, even if all mankind plan to do so.
    But some speak as though God is not independant, as though He must take permission from every guy and gall before doing anything....."everything depends on your choice".... "God cannot voilate your free will"," He can do nothing if you/we don't cooperate"
    then Divine promises are nulified?
    1-there will always be some catholics in the world....what if all people decide to apostesize?
    will God oppose human will?
    He must oppose it if He wants to fulfill His promises. He promised to keep the Church, therefore He either opposes those who want to destroy her, or He makes Himself a liar.
    He opposed Herod's plan to kill Jesus. He opposed that of lustful men who wanted to rape St. Agatha.
    And I know that it is not a democracy, God will not ask our permission, He will do what He wants, what His eternal widoms deems the best.
    any ideas?


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    is God's omnipotence conditional?
    « Reply #1 on: May 04, 2009, 04:24:12 AM »
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  • 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


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    is God's omnipotence conditional?
    « Reply #2 on: May 04, 2009, 04:51:50 AM »
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  • I have failed to find anything that explains that God has two wills. But I do know this, God does not will evil. God permits evil to take place in this life for he draws good out of evil.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    is God's omnipotence conditional?
    « Reply #3 on: May 04, 2009, 05:08:59 AM »
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    I have failed to find anything that explains that God has two wills. But I do know this, God does not will evil. God permits evil to take place in this life for he draws good out of evil.

    Christ has two wills, a divine will, and a human will, but these do not conflict but are in harmony:
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    4. As a consequence of these two natures (Divinity & Humanity), Christ had also two wills.

    We can see this very clearly in His prayer in the Garden of Olives before His Passion. He said: "Nevertheless, not My will, but Thine be down." He was referring to His Human will, for His divine will was surely the same as His Fathers. (My Catholic Faith, p. 59)

    Although, I'm looking through my catechisms trying to find out if God the Holy Trinity has two wills, if anyone can prove the contrary then please do so.  
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    is God's omnipotence conditional?
    « Reply #4 on: May 04, 2009, 08:45:15 AM »
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    I believe that the Church is going to exist forever. I just think this dogma is a challenge to those who think that God cannot oppose the human free will. I think this dogma impilicitly says that our Lord will oppose those who want to destroy his Church.