So what are they saying over there? Have you ever heard of a paiche?
Yeah. I know of the paiche fish.
What are they saying? Well, basically, the thread I started at CAF is an exploration of applying logic to faith. But since I don't have much experience in discussing pure logic with people, and since I am a poor apologist, I've approached everything from the purest manner I can. As suggested on this forum by someone, I am utilizing axioms--shared assumptions--between the faithless and myself.
For the last three weeks, I've been trying to slowly build up a series of axioms which we can both agree on. I have had no particular direction to go in, really. I am only aiming for one theme (I do not know if I can achieve it) --to illustrate the presence and handiwork of God in nature.
Here's the link:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=658727- - -
Here's the axioms we've established so far:
Axiom 1: Biological organisms are created from other biological organisms on planet Earth.
Axiom 2: If biological organisms are created from other biological organisms on planet Earth, then therefore, there will be a continual production and likely increase of biological organisms on planet Earth in the Future. (... Excluding biomass, sustainability arguments, and devastating corrections that reduce numbers...)
Axiom 3: The Universe is a closed system.
Axiom 4: The universe will attain a state of maximum homogeneity in which all matter is at a uniform temperature (heat death). (This is the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics in cosmology.) (Axiom 4 depends on Axiom 3.)
Axiom 5: It is possible that there are things in the Universe that are there which are currently undetectable to our senses and current public instruments.
Axiom 6: It is possible that there are consciences and intelligences in our Cosmos which are invisible to our detection.
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Here's the next set of axioms we might agree on:
Originally Posted by Jelrak TB OK.
It is possible. If such beings were to reside on Earth, would not some consequence arise from their necessary proximity to mankind? (Me) Not necessarily. If the objects of
Axiom 5 or the beings of
Axiom 6 exist undetected, then there would not necessarily be serious social consequences. Could this be
Axiom 7?
Yet, if objects of
Axiom 5 or the beings of
Axiom 6 exist, although undetected, then it is possible there may be some sort of consequence from their proximity, detectable or undetectable. Could this be
Axiom 8?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jelrak TB OK.
To clarify, would not some of their activities be the subject of observation and hold a capability of being measured? (Me) However, if the objects of
Axiom 5 or the beings of
Axiom 6 are occasionally detected or obviously revealed to humans in some way, these undetectable things may appear as curious events of our human past. Can we agree this would be
Axiom 9?