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Offline cassini

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Is Catholicism the only religion with Hell?
« on: July 23, 2017, 10:07:02 AM »
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  • I really cannot come to terms with why God created eternal Hell. Would it not have been enough to have heaven for those who obeyed God and a certain amount of punishment for those who died with unforgiven sins, those who rejected him and then oblivion after a just time, gone forever?

    An eternity of fire in Hell seems out of character for a God of Love. We live a limited time on Earth but there is an eternity based on that limited time.

    This Sunday morning we had again another reading that would scare the daylight out of Catholics who read it or heard it. The endless warnings of Hell if you do this, do that or the other seems to be the basis for our Catholic faith. Fear of God rather than love of God seems to be the core of traditional Catholicisim. How can one love God under threat of Hell? I just do not understand.

    How can one base their Catholicism on love for God and his mother Mary when one is terrified at the thought of eternal fire if you are prone to sin as all human beings are?

    Vatican II I think tried to change the faith from one of fear to one of a loving Jesus and Mary. This didn't work as it ended up hiding sin and luring billions into a false sense of love and infinite mercy.

    That said, I must accept this situation, even if I do not understand it.

    Offline Miseremini

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    Re: Is Catholicism the only religion with Hell?
    « Reply #1 on: July 23, 2017, 10:47:19 AM »
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  • Try not to over think this
    1. God made the soul to be eternal, therefore the reward or punishment must be eternal.
    2. This is not "out of character" for God when you consider how many graces He gives to help you get to Heaven
    3. Many misunderstand the "fear of God".  It means fear of offending God.
    4. Lastly the fear of hell translates to fear of the punishment when it should be fear of offending; but that works too if that's what it takes to deter us.  You've heard the expression "scare the hell out of them"  it works.

    We should be glad we are informed of the consequences of our actions that way we can exercise our free will to our best benefit.

    Never forget free will.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



    Offline Stubborn

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    Re: Is Catholicism the only religion with Hell?
    « Reply #2 on: July 23, 2017, 11:08:09 AM »
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  • Snip from a sermon on hell from Fr. Wathen:
    ...Intrinsic in the idea of hell is it's everlastingness. One cannot conceive of a punishment sufficient for those who have defied God all their lives, till their deaths, and who have simply refused to accept God in His sovereignty and refused to do His will. It is altogether contrary, repugnant to reason that there would not be a punishment. This punishment has to last forever simply because these individuals, if hell did not last forever, would have beaten God. They would have defied Him and gotten away with it.  

    So of course, those who go to hell, don't go for temporary chastisement, they go there because they hate God and they will never do other. That is why hell lasts always, just as the devils do not hate God less because they have been there who knows how many eons. If anything, we would say that the devils hate God more after all that they have suffered because their suffering does not determine whether they will serve Him or despise Him, their own wills determine this.

    Our Lord spoke of hell 15 times in the Scriptures and the things that He said make it clear to us that hell is a state and a place of everlasting burning. He mentioned hell more often, more times then He mentioned the doctrine of the Blessed Eucharist. Among the things He said - "Depart from me ye cursed ones, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels."...

    "...where the worm dieth not, neither is the fire quenched". And therein does Christ tell us of the two terrible torments of hell. "The worm that dieth not" refers to the pain of loss and the "fire that is not quenched" refers to the pain of sense. Because people are inclined to give too much intention to the pain of sense, we want you to consider the pain of loss, which is the essential punishment of hell.

    The pain of loss is simply the everlasting recognition that one is in hell because one chose to be there. On earth he made his alibis and he pointed fingers at others and he imagined that he is going to blame his parents or blame society or blame hard luck, but in hell, no one blames anyone but himself because in hell, everyone knows why he is there, because he knows that he has rejected God -  and in turn, God has, despite His love, rejected him. And the pain of loss is that terrible torment of the recognition of what one might have done but did not. That one might be enjoying the beatitude of heaven, but will never.....
    Do not be afraid to abandon yourself unreservedly to His loving Providence, for a child cannot perish in the arms of a Father Who is omnipotent.

    St. Margaret Mary Alacoque

    Offline Mithrandylan

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    Re: Is Catholicism the only religion with Hell?
    « Reply #3 on: July 23, 2017, 12:11:26 PM »
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  • The punishment of a crime is proportionate to the heinousness of the offense. That is justice. 

    A crime against an infinitely Good Being is infinitely heinous, and requiring of eternal punishment. 
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    Re: Is Catholicism the only religion with Hell?
    « Reply #4 on: July 24, 2017, 06:06:27 PM »
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  • who told you God made Hell?

    I think the devil did that. And people loved the devil so they went to be with him after death. Makes sense to me


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    Re: Is Catholicism the only religion with Hell?
    « Reply #5 on: July 24, 2017, 07:12:17 PM »
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  • I believe your line of thinking is the product of modernism.

    Modernism has twisted Christianity.  Christianity has started to reflect modern norms rather than shape them.  By Modernist morality, everything is acceptable, no one is responsible for any wrong doing.  Many modern Christians know of God's love, but it isn't politically correct by the secular world to even mention God's justice.  In fact, I believe that this rejection of the existence of Hell is the Devil's doing.  After all, if everyone is going to Heaven, why not live it up? 

    Some Christians have even openly adopted the concept of Universal Salvation.  They believe God loves people so much that EVERYONE is going to Heaven.

    But the reality is God is just and generous.  He gives us numerous chances at repentance and salvation.

    Salvation is an economy of sorts:  follow God's laws and you get to exist with Him in Heaven for eternity.  Violate his laws, and the consequence is you are cut off from God's love forever.

    Offline An even Seven

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    Re: Is Catholicism the only religion with Hell?
    « Reply #6 on: July 25, 2017, 01:53:45 AM »
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  • who told you God made Hell?

    I think the devil did that. And people loved the devil so they went to be with him after death. Makes sense to me
    Hell was made before the devil got there. Are you a traditional Catholic or do you belong to the New Order Church? It doesn't matter what we "think", it matters what the Church teaches.
    Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:
    “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives


    Matthew 15:9 And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and commandments of men.

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    Re: Is Catholicism the only religion with Hell?
    « Reply #7 on: July 25, 2017, 03:51:37 AM »
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  • I think  you should bone up on your Catechism, graceseeker.  Are you a convert? Some of the things you say sound like Protestant ideas. The NO is also inundated with Protestant ideas, as well as the ones that sneak in as soundbites from the world at large. Unless we investigate further we can take these ideas at face value and end up in serious error. 


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    Re: Is Catholicism the only religion with Hell?
    « Reply #8 on: July 25, 2017, 08:40:51 AM »
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  • Excellent advice in this thread, makes for an excellent sermon, everyone contributing something additional.

    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Is Catholicism the only religion with Hell?
    « Reply #9 on: July 26, 2017, 11:23:58 AM »
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  • Interesting to see what our current Vicar of Christ, Pope Francis, has to say about Hell:

     Bad enough that a Superior General does not believe in the devil but remember that another prominent Jesuit denied damnation: “There is no punishment, but the annihilation of that soul. All the others will participate in the beatitude of living in the presence of the Father. The souls that are annihilated will not take part in that banquet; with the death of the body their journey is finished.” So said Francis of Rome.

    "Whatsoever shall be bound upon Earth shall also bne bound in Heaven."

    Confusing, isn't it, are we all off the hook?

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    Re: Is Catholicism the only religion with Hell?
    « Reply #10 on: July 26, 2017, 06:25:50 PM »
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  • I  am traditional, and I was asked to view, "Wolves in Sheep's clothing," movie from EWTN.  It states in the movie, that Saul Alinsky, Jew, who died saying he would take on hell.  In the mean time, New Order will pray for him.  Well, I don't think you can pray for someone who is in hell, without Sanctifying Grace, not baptized.

    That is how New Order programs their new doctrines.  See this at www.novusordowatch.


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    Re: Is Catholicism the only religion with Hell?
    « Reply #11 on: July 26, 2017, 10:49:20 PM »
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  • who told you God made Hell?

    I think the devil did that. And people loved the devil so they went to be with him after death. Makes sense to me
    The devil can't create, he can only copy.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


     

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