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Offline Matthew

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Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2018, 12:34:53 PM »
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  • Did I make a typo?

    You made a word-o.
    You said "dogmatic R&R" but I never said that. I referred to Sean as "dogmatic sedeplenist" which is actually more accurate.
    I'm a stickler for accuracy.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #46 on: May 26, 2018, 12:43:12 PM »
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  • You made a word-o.
    You said "dogmatic R&R" but I never said that. I referred to Sean as "dogmatic sedeplenist" which is actually more accurate.
    I'm a stickler for accuracy.

    That's right, you did use the word sedeplenist.  I used the word R&R because that's what he is, since there are dogmatic Novus Ordo sedeplenists too.


    Offline Jaynek

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #47 on: May 26, 2018, 12:51:58 PM »
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  • I don't see how we can now have any debates on the flat earth subforum now. It seems that those who are against it will not let us debate it.
    How are we stopping you?  You (and others) label as trolls those people who are prepared to debate with you.  The flat-earthers encourage each other to ignore the people who are against it.

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #48 on: May 26, 2018, 12:53:12 PM »
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  • That's right, you did use the word sedeplenist.  I used the word R&R because that's what he is, since there are dogmatic Novus Ordo sedeplenists too.
    Who would be an example of dogmatic NO sedeplenist? I always equated sedeplenism with R&R, but maybe I am wrong.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #49 on: May 26, 2018, 01:27:31 PM »
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  • Who would be an example of dogmatic NO sedeplenist? I always equated sedeplenism with R&R, but maybe I am wrong.

    There is a difference and a nuance, but I don't care to get into a long explanation right now.

    Suffice to say: there are dogmatic sedevacantists, who consider non-sedevacantists to be in need of conversion, the Catholic Faith, etc. On CathInfo at least, the phrase has been well-defined, explained many times, and has entered common speech.

    So it's simple to contrast that with "dogmatic sedeplenists" who are exactly the same, only about the statement "the Seat is full" instead of "the Seat is empty".

    And that's precisely what Sean said ("I would ban every one who does not hold Francis is the Pope plain and simple."), so it's simplest and safest to conclude he is a Dogmatic Sedeplenist.

    Saying he's dogmatic R&R would be guessing or going out on a limb. Perhaps a solid limb, but a limb nevertheless.

    I like to stick to facts as much as possible. And again, I'm a stickler for accuracy and also simplicity, whenever the two are compatible.
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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #50 on: May 26, 2018, 03:56:58 PM »
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  • It would be good to have a reference list of all the sede definitions set forth for us rather than to just keep throwing around the ever growing number of
    sede this and sede that terms.  We ain't all up to speed.  :)

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #51 on: May 26, 2018, 05:01:41 PM »
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  • I was thinking that myself for a while now, Klas.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #52 on: May 26, 2018, 07:55:22 PM »
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  • Who would be an example of dogmatic NO sedeplenist? I always equated sedeplenism with R&R, but maybe I am wrong.

    Most conservative Novus Ordites are dogmatic sedeplenists.  You know what the term means, right?, that Holy See is legitimately occupied (currently by Francis).


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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #53 on: May 27, 2018, 06:58:54 AM »
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  • Most conservative Novus Ordites are dogmatic sedeplenists.  You know what the term means, right?, that Holy See is legitimately occupied (currently by Francis).
    Yes, I do.  I just think that in order to be called "sedeplenist" wrt the Crisis, that the person would have to recognize that Vatican II was not Catholic.  Most, if not all, conservative NO's believe, at best, that Vatican II is "ambiguous".
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #54 on: May 27, 2018, 03:50:31 PM »
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  • Yes, I do.  I just think that in order to be called "sedeplenist" wrt the Crisis, that the person would have to recognize that Vatican II was not Catholic.  Most, if not all, conservative NO's believe, at best, that Vatican II is "ambiguous".

    Most dogmatic sedeplenists in the NO believe that V2 was just great.