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Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2018, 03:14:28 PM »
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  • St. Paul says the food restrictions are now meaningless

    Where does he say it? That's definitely helpful.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #16 on: May 24, 2018, 03:19:28 PM »
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  • The teaching of Florence is based on many things as the Fathers have expounded on it to say the whole Jєωιѕн law is defunct.  But Scripture cuts to the chase for us.  
    Acts 10:9-16
    Peter’s Vision
    9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
    14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
    15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
    16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

    Yes, I know about the above quote, but a bit farther in Scripture it is said that Peter realized that the vision meant that he wasn't to dismiss other people, such as Gentiles, for being unclean. Even though the vision had animals in it, it was referring to humans. I can't really understand why a vision about animals would really mean humans (it doesn't make a lot of sense), but that appears to be the case.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #17 on: May 24, 2018, 03:23:18 PM »
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  • Yes, I know about the above quote, but a bit farther in Scripture it is said that Peter realized that the vision meant that he wasn't to dismiss other people, such as Gentiles, for being unclean. Even though the vision had animals in it, it was referring to humans. I can't really understand why a vision about animals would really mean humans (it doesn't really make a lot of sense), but that appears to be the case.
    Its the same principle and applies to animals and men insofar as the Mosaic Law is concerned.  The passage spoke of animals included in the Mosaic Law. The problem with Peter is that he respected only those who were circuмcised out of respect and fear of the Jєωs--more Jєωιѕн law.  Paul resisted him to his face because, as Scripture said, "he was to be blamed".  
    Circuмcision belonged to the old law and was no longer applicable since it was replaced by Baptism.  What Paul objected to was identical to what Peter was shown in the scroll.  The Mosaic Law ceased.  

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #18 on: May 24, 2018, 03:28:44 PM »
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  • Its the same principle and applies to animals and men insofar as the Mosaic Law is concerned.  The passage spoke of animals included in the Mosaic Law. The problem with Peter is that he respected only those who were circuмcised out of respect and fear of the Jєωs--more Jєωιѕн law.  Paul resisted him to his face because, as Scripture said, "he was to be blamed".  
    Circuмcision belonged to the old law and was no longer applicable since it was replaced by Baptism.  What Paul objected to was identical to what Peter was shown in the scroll.  The Mosaic Law ceased.  

    I suppose you are right. Everything about the old law has ceased. I appreciate that you have been charitable in explaining it. Unlike you-know-who (she who must be obeyed). 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #19 on: May 24, 2018, 03:30:42 PM »
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  • Where does he say it? That's definitely helpful.
    1 Corinthians 8:7-9
    "However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do."

    And
    1 Cor 9:19-21
     "For though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win more of them.  To the Jєωs I became as a Jєω, in order to win Jєωs. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. 21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law"

    He is saying that he is not under the law. 
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9


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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #20 on: May 24, 2018, 03:39:48 PM »
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  • Paul understood that the Old Law had ceased.  The Old Covenant is out.  The new law of love is the New Covenant and is binding.  Practicing the Old Law is damnable according to the Council of Florence since it was tolerated at first, if no one placed faith in it, but then it was abolished and makes one practicing it in any of its forms, anathema.

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #21 on: May 24, 2018, 03:41:38 PM »
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  • Promoting or practicing the Mosaic Law today makes vain the Cross of Christ, which alone has any saving or propitiatory power (power to forgive sins).

    It's not a small heresy!
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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #22 on: May 24, 2018, 03:42:55 PM »
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  • Paul understood that the Old Law had ceased.  The Old Covenant is out.  The new law of love is the New Covenant and is binding.  Practicing the Old Law is damnable according to the Council of Florence since it was tolerated at first, if no one placed faith in it, but then it was abolished and makes one practicing it in any of its forms, anathema.

    Okay, I understand it now. Thanks.

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #23 on: May 24, 2018, 04:19:48 PM »
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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #24 on: May 24, 2018, 05:29:28 PM »
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  • At the Apostolic Council of Jerusalem, the Apostles declared that the only dietary rule that the Christian converts from paganism had to follow was to "that they refrain themselves from the pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." (Acts 15:20)  I've read that the many pagans of the time strangled their sacrificial victims so strangled animals were almost always pagan sacrifices.

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  • [....]
    Acts 10:9-16
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    13  Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
    14  “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
    15  The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

    Oh!  Butter-sauteed abalone!  Crispy bacon!   Fried catfish!  Steamed Dungeness crabCrawfish boils!  Seafood gumbo!  "Boiled"[×] lobsters!  Raw oysters![†]  Pulled porkShrimp & grits!  Uni!  Yaaay!

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    Note ×: The classic book Joy of Cooking (1973 paperback) fussily insists that in this instance, the cooking method is technically not "boiling" but poaching.
     
    Note †: Harvested with appropriate caution, heeding any quarantines by  health officials that might be in effect at the time; customary rules invoking the presence or absence of 'R' in the name of a month are dangerously inadequate.


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    Oh!  Butter-sauteed abalone!  Crispy bacon!   Fried catfish!  Steamed Dungeness crab!  Crawfish boils!  Seafood gumbo!  "Boiled"[×] lobsters!  Raw oysters![†]  Pulled pork!  Shrimp & grits!  Uni!  Yaaay!

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    Note ×: The classic book Joy of Cooking (1973 paperback) fussily insists that in this instance, the cooking method is technically not "boiling" but poaching.
     
    Note †: Harvested with appropriate caution, heeding any quarantines by  health officials that might be in effect at the time; customary rules invoking the presence or absence of 'R' in the name of a month are dangerously inadequate.
    Yum! Not to mention the entire week is a feast for Pentecost.

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #27 on: May 24, 2018, 09:11:56 PM »
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  • The dogmatic canons of the Council of Trent regarding baptism or the desire thereof have long been declared "disputed topics" here at Cath Info and the fruits of such was the support given to the Kentuckian feenyite chapel.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #28 on: May 25, 2018, 01:31:44 AM »
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    Just for the record,  here is the thread where the offending post(s) was/were removed. 
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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #29 on: May 25, 2018, 01:38:44 AM »
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  • “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
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    "Kill and eat." It's a commandment of Scripture. Motto of hunters. Anathema of environmentalists and Liberals...



    .... And perhaps to some degree of flat-earthers?
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