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  • The ironically named "Truth is Eternal" got all angry and upset, and wouldn't take correction for his material heresy.

    He believes that 100% of the Mosaic Law is still binding on Catholics today. This is a clear cut heresy, so it is not tolerated on a Traditional Catholic forum.

    He also de-facto believes in private interpretation of Scripture, even when those interpretations go against Catholic Church teaching. That is Protestantism!

    He needs prayers.

    As a reminder, CathInfo only allows debate on DISPUTED topics. Anything defined by the Church is off-limits. You either assent to it, or get banned as a pertinacious material heretic. (We can't condemn anyone as a formal heretic, none of us has the authority). But you can stubbornly cling to a material heresy -- and such persons are not welcome on CathInfo.

    For the good of his soul, I have not IP-banned him from the forum, so he can still read the posts on CathInfo.
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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #1 on: May 24, 2018, 12:53:53 PM »
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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #2 on: May 24, 2018, 01:42:25 PM »
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  • The ironically named "Truth is Eternal" got all angry and upset, and wouldn't take correction for his material heresy.

    He believes that 100% of the Mosaic Law is still binding on Catholics today. This is a clear cut heresy, so it is not tolerated on a Traditional Catholic forum.

    He also de-facto believes in private interpretation of Scripture, even when those interpretations go against Catholic Church teaching. That is Protestantism!

    He needs prayers.

    As a reminder, CathInfo only allows debate on DISPUTED topics. Anything defined by the Church is off-limits. You either assent to it, or get banned as a pertinacious material heretic. (We can't condemn anyone as a formal heretic, none of us has the authority). But you can stubbornly cling to a material heresy -- and such persons are not welcome on CathInfo.

    For the good of his soul, I have not IP-banned him from the forum, so he can still read the posts on CathInfo.
    You're 100% right in saying this is Protestant. It's called Theonomy.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theonomy
    I have some Calvinist friends who believe this. Fortunately, St. Paul condemns this idea in Galatians 2:21
    "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness[ were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose"

    Sadly, the kind of thinking that got this guy banned is becoming rampant in Catholic circles today. I used to attend an FSSP parish, and the priest there said that the Old Covenant might still be valid( I guess he's never read Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, or Hebrews) That's when I left the parish an joined the SSPX.  
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #3 on: May 24, 2018, 02:06:04 PM »
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  • I don't think that TiE really sees it as "Judaizing."

    He never really quoted anything from Judaism, or looked at it from that POV. He just seemed to see the word of God in Sacred Scripture, and took it to mean that God said something important, and we should pay attention. It's others here who have accused him of "Judaizing." I can't see that TiE is in any way Jewish or has any affinity for Judaism. He does, however, have an affinity for Sacred Scripture, whether it's the OT or NT. 

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #4 on: May 24, 2018, 02:16:04 PM »
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  • It's others here who have accused him of "Judaizing." I can't see that TiE is in any way Jewish or has any affinity for Judaism. He does, however, have an affinity for Sacred Scripture, whether it's the OT or NT.

    I don't care if you like it or not, or if Truth Is Eternal was a major Flat Earth proponent. Facts are facts. Insisting that Catholics follow Jewish laws, or placing the Jews on a higher pedestal than the rest of the (unclean, Gentile?) Catholics is the textbook definition of Judaizing.

    And you can't dismiss his heresy as, "he has an affinity for Sacred Scripture". So do I. I love Scripture and revere it as the Word of God. However, I am a Catholic so I look to Tradition -- the Catholic Church -- for the TRUE interpretation of what I read there. For me, a Catholic, Scripture is only one of the two pillars of the Faith. And even then, it only contributes to the body of doctrine (the Catholic Faith) what the Catholic Church says it does.

    Are we going to praise ALL Protestant HERETICS for their "love of Holy Scripture"?  Of course not! They are heretics who don't possess the truth, and often persecute the True Church. Their so-called love of the Bible won't save them.

    If a man takes a bomb and blows up a bunch of atheists or protestants, can you dismiss it as, "Well, he is zealous for the Catholic Faith"? No, he's a maniac who certainly needs the Death Penalty for committing mass murder.

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #5 on: May 24, 2018, 02:31:53 PM »
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  • I don't care if you like it or not, or if Truth Is Eternal was a major Flat Earth proponent. Facts are facts. Insisting that Catholics follow Jewish laws, or placing the Jews on a higher pedestal than the rest of the (unclean, Gentile?) Catholics is the textbook definition of Judaizing.

    And you can't dismiss his heresy as, "he has an affinity for Sacred Scripture". So do I. I love Scripture and revere it as the Word of God. However, I am a Catholic so I look to Tradition -- the Catholic Church -- for the TRUE interpretation of what I read there. For me, a Catholic, Scripture is only one of the two pillars of the Faith. And even then, it only contributes to the body of doctrine (the Catholic Faith) what the Catholic Church says it does.

    Are we going to praise ALL Protestant HERETICS for their "love of Holy Scripture"?  Of course not! They are heretics who don't possess the truth, and often persecute the True Church. Their so-called love of the Bible won't save them.

    If a man takes a bomb and blows up a bunch of atheists or protestants, can you dismiss it as, "Well, he is zealous for the Catholic Faith"? No, he's a maniac who certainly needs the Death Penalty for committing mass murder.
    While the right to interpret Scripture belongs to the Church, Scripture is the highest authority/source on doctrine 
    St. Thomas on Scripture

    “Sacred doctrine makes use of these authorities as extrinsic and probable arguments; but properly uses the authority of the canonical Scriptures as an incontrovertible proof, and the authority of the doctors of the Church as one that may properly be used, yet merely as probable. For our faith rests upon the revelation made to the apostlesand prophets who wrote the canonical books, and not on the revelations (if any such there are) made to other doctors. Hence Augustine says (Epis. ad Hieron. xix, 1): "Only those books of Scripturewhich are called canonical have I learned to hold in such honor as to believe their authors have not erred in any way in writing them. But other authors I so read as not to deem everything in their works to be true, merely on account of their having so thought and written, whatever may have been their holinessand learning"
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #6 on: May 24, 2018, 02:33:37 PM »
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  • If TIE believes Catholics are bound by the Mosaic law (not just the 10 commandments) he is definitely in the wrong because that is a serious heresy.  Council of Florence is clear.

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #7 on: May 24, 2018, 02:35:54 PM »
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  • If TIE believes Catholics are bound by the Mosaic law (not just the 10 commandments) he is definitely in the wrong because that is a serious heresy.  Council of Florence is clear.

    I don't recall that he ever said anything about Mosaic law. Or that Catholics are bound to it. 


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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #8 on: May 24, 2018, 02:51:44 PM »
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  • I deleted his heresy. I don't want to confuse future readers. CathInfo is a popular, high traffic forum.

    TiE clearly said that God forbid us to eat unclean animals. That's the Mosaic Law. You can argue semantics all you want for your Flat Earth buddy -- but I'm not going to allow a clear-cut material heretic to run loose on CathInfo.

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #9 on: May 24, 2018, 02:52:33 PM »
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  • Never mind, I found it.  Its true the Council of Florence condemned the Mosaic Law:

    It firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to the divine worship at that time, after our Lord’s coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of the law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. Yet it does not deny that after the passion of Christ up to the promulgation of the Gospel they could have been observed until they were believed to be in no way necessary for salvation; but after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts that they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation. All, therefore, who after that time observe circumcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors. Therefore, it commands all who glory in the name of Christian, at whatever time, before or after baptism, to cease entirely from circumcision, since, whether or not one places hope in it, it cannot be observed at all without the loss of eternal salvation.


    This is a matter of salvation. The Jewish Mosaic law is forbidden for Catholics. From the seders, to the food restrictions to circumcision. 

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #10 on: May 24, 2018, 03:06:25 PM »
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  • Never mind, I found it.  Its true the Council of Florence condemned the Mosaic Law:

    It firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to the divine worship at that time, after our Lord’s coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of the law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. Yet it does not deny that after the passion of Christ up to the promulgation of the Gospel they could have been observed until they were believed to be in no way necessary for salvation; but after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts that they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation. All, therefore, who after that time observe circumcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors. Therefore, it commands all who glory in the name of Christian, at whatever time, before or after baptism, to cease entirely from circumcision, since, whether or not one places hope in it, it cannot be observed at all without the loss of eternal salvation.


    This is a matter of salvation. The Jewish Mosaic law is forbidden for Catholics. From the seders, to the food restrictions to circumcision.

    Okay, but where does the above quote from the Council of Florence refer to food restrictions? The above quote describes circumcision, of course. And it also mentions the matter pertaining to Mosaic law being divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments. But I don't see anything about food.

    I suppose it could fall under the category of "other requirements" mentioned also above, but it doesn't say what those other requirements are. 


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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #11 on: May 24, 2018, 03:10:34 PM »
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  • Now, if you would only ban Meg... ;D

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #12 on: May 24, 2018, 03:11:01 PM »
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  • Okay, but where does the above quote from the Council of Florence refer to food restrictions? The above quote describes circumcision, of course. And it also mentions the matter pertaining to Mosaic law being divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments. But I don't see anything about food.
    St. Paul says the food restrictions are now meaningless 
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
    « Reply #13 on: May 24, 2018, 03:13:29 PM »
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  • Now, if you would only ban Meg... ;D

    I'm sure there are quite a few here that would agree with you on that. 

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    Re: Ironically named Truth is Eternal banned for Judaizing heresy
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  • Okay, but where does the above quote from the Council of Florence refer to food restrictions? The above quote describes circumcision, of course. And it also mentions the matter pertaining to Mosaic law being divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments. But I don't see anything about food.

    I suppose it could fall under the category of "other requirements" mentioned also above, but it doesn't say what those other requirements are.
    The teaching of Florence is based on many things as the Fathers have expounded on it to say the whole Jewish law is defunct.  But Scripture cuts to the chase for us.  
    Acts 10:9-16 
    Peter’s Vision
    About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
    14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
    15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
    16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

     

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