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« on: July 02, 2010, 11:20:26 AM »
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    • My name is henry (forgot to cap the h). I'm not Catholic yet, but I have some Catholic connections in my family and have learned quite a bit about the Church. I've been thinking about converting for a while. If this was 1950 or 1850 or 1050 I would have already become a member of the Church. But Vatican II has thrown me for a doozy and so I'm trying to find the Church of the saints amidst all this apostasy and sometimes it feels as if I'm finding my way in the dark.

    I hope my time here is fruitful. Thank you.

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    « Reply #1 on: July 02, 2010, 11:23:24 AM »
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    • Or is it "thrown me for a loop"? I forget the expression. Oh well. :idea:
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    « Reply #2 on: July 02, 2010, 11:32:52 AM »
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    My name is henry (forgot to cap the h). I'm not Catholic yet, but I have some Catholic connections in my family and have learned quite a bit about the Church. I've been thinking about converting for a while. If this was 1950 or 1850 or 1050 I would have already become a member of the Church. But Vatican II has thrown me for a doozy and so I'm trying to find the Church of the saints amidst all this apostasy and sometimes it feels as if I'm finding my way in the dark.

    I hope my time here is fruitful. Thank you.


    Hi Henry,
    Welcome to this forum.  Hopefully we can give you some answers to your questions.
    The most important thing for you to do immediately is to find a Tridentine Mass and talk to a priest.     :wave:
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    « Reply #3 on: July 02, 2010, 11:36:45 AM »
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    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 02, 2010, 11:47:54 AM »
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    Hi Henry,
    Welcome to this forum.  Hopefully we can give you some answers to your questions.
    The most important thing for you to do immediately is to find a Tridentine Mass and talk to a priest.     :wave:


    Thank you! I have not talked to a priest yet. I actually prefer learning through reading and correspondence rather than through face to face interaction. I find faces so interesting that when I am talking to someone I'm focused on observing their looks than in listening to what they are saying. Weird, I know. Maybe I should be a painter. Much better if I could have a discussion with a priest through email, so I should try that route first. I am convinced that the Novus Ordo is not the way to go, so at least that narrows it down. I find the SSPX and Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary appealing, but these two groups don't approve of each other. I've looked into sedevacantism as well, but I feel that if these modern popes are anti-popes then this paints such a dismal picture of things that it would likely lead me to despair and I would lose all interest in becoming Catholic.
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    « Reply #5 on: July 02, 2010, 12:03:39 PM »
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    • I deleted my post because for a second I thought you were Pope Augustine in another form, then reconsidered.  You probably don't understand what I'm talking about -- never mind.  Welcome to the site.

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    I've looked into sedevacantism as well, but I feel that if these modern popes are anti-popes then this paints such a dismal picture of things that it would likely lead me to despair and I would lose all interest in becoming Catholic.


    Why?  It doesn't mean that all those who follow them are damned, any more than those who followed the wrong candidate to the papacy in the Great Western Schism were damned.  I believe sedevacantism is yet to be made official, but nonetheless an objective fact that just hasn't been adopted by the majority yet.
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    « Reply #6 on: July 02, 2010, 12:08:46 PM »
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    • Henry said:
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    I find faces so interesting that when I am talking to someone I'm focused on observing their looks than in listening to what they are saying. Weird, I know.


    ... Praise be to Edison, he has the solution to your problem -- the telephone!

    But you don't have to meet a priest at all, you can read the various approaches on the Internet.  A CMRI priest will say what you read on the CMRI site; an SSPX priest will say what you read in the Angelus ( for the most part, some of them are more amenable to sedes than others ).
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    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 02, 2010, 12:21:42 PM »
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    I deleted my post because for a second I thought you were Pope Augustine in another form, then reconsidered.  You probably don't understand what I'm talking about -- never mind.  Welcome to the site.


    No worries! I am not Pope Augustine. :laugh1:

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    Why?  It doesn't mean that all those who follow them are damned, any more than those who followed the wrong candidate to the papacy in the Great Western Schism were damned.  I believe sedevacantism is yet to be made official, but nonetheless an objective fact that just hasn't been adopted by the majority yet.


    Is this a view that is common to all sedevacantists. I thought there were people in that camp that claim that anyone who belongs to SSPX or similar groups is not Catholic and that sedevacantists shouldn't even socialize with them.
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    « Reply #8 on: July 02, 2010, 12:23:56 PM »
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    • Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong with the quote function?
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    « Reply #9 on: July 02, 2010, 12:25:16 PM »
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    Henry said:
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    I find faces so interesting that when I am talking to someone I'm focused on observing their looks than in listening to what they are saying. Weird, I know.


    ... Praise be to Edison, he has the solution to your problem -- the telephone!

    But you don't have to meet a priest at all, you can read the various approaches on the Internet.  A CMRI priest will say what you read on the CMRI site; an SSPX priest will say what you read in the Angelus ( for the most part, some of them are more amenable to sedes than others ).


    But there is something special about having one on one conversation with a priest I would think.
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    « Reply #10 on: July 02, 2010, 01:21:19 PM »
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    Hi Henry,
    Welcome to this forum.  Hopefully we can give you some answers to your questions.
    The most important thing for you to do immediately is to find a Tridentine Mass and talk to a priest.     :wave:


    Thank you! I have not talked to a priest yet. I actually prefer learning through reading and correspondence rather than through face to face interaction. I find faces so interesting that when I am talking to someone I'm focused on observing their looks than in listening to what they are saying. Weird, I know. Maybe I should be a painter. Much better if I could have a discussion with a priest through email, so I should try that route first. I am convinced that the Novus Ordo is not the way to go, so at least that narrows it down. I find the SSPX and Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary appealing, but these two groups don't approve of each other. I've looked into sedevacantism as well, but I feel that if these modern popes are anti-popes then this paints such a dismal picture of things that it would likely lead me to despair and I would lose all interest in becoming Catholic.


    Henry, In my opinion this is entirely the wrong approach.  Reading can be dangerous for a newbie these  days!  Laypeople are assuming the role of  clerics in the church, taking upon themselves the "right" to interpret church teachings.
    The Catholic church has and will always be based on authority.  Priests have the authority to interpret the teachings of the church.  We, as Catholics usually have a spiritual director, a wise priest to guide us and help us.
    Where are you from?
    Traditio.com has a directory of Latin Masses.  It can be downloaded for 10.00.

    Prayer is so essential!  Jesus said "Ask and you  shall receive".  Pray to know the truth with strong sincerity of heart.  Your prayers will be answered!
    I promise I will include you in my daily prayers, especially the rosary........the most powerful prayer of all!     :pray:
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    « Reply #11 on: July 02, 2010, 01:54:44 PM »
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    Henry, In my opinion this is entirely the wrong approach.  Reading can be dangerous for a newbie these  days!  Laypeople are assuming the role of  clerics in the church, taking upon themselves the "right" to interpret church teachings.


    Only by necessity.  Can you blame them?  

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    The Catholic church has and will always be based on authority.  Priests have the authority to interpret the teachings of the church.  We, as Catholics usually have a spiritual director, a wise priest to guide us and help us.


    He is looking into traditionalism and most traditional priests do not have ordinary jurisdiction, and therefore do not have the authority to interpret teachings of the Church in a BINDING way.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong.  

    Despite how some of the followers of Abp. Lefebvre act, their clergy does not have authority.  Neither does the sede clergy.  They are here to provide sacraments in an emergency, for which I am much obliged.

    The other option is that he go to a VII priest, if he thinks they have authority ( which I do not ).  How well do you think that will work out for him?



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    « Reply #12 on: July 02, 2010, 01:57:08 PM »
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    • The answer is given by St. Vincent Lerins --

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    "What if some novel contagion seeks to infect the whole Church, and not merely a small portion of it? Then he will take care to cling to antiquity, which cannot now be led astray by any novel deceit."


    We must study.  We must listen to many priests, many bishops, many laymen, and seek the truth diligently.  ( The irony is that St. Vincent Lerins was a semi-Pelagian, but before this was condemned by the Church ).


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    « Reply #13 on: July 02, 2010, 02:18:15 PM »
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    • You see Henry, just reading the notes here might even confuse you, but please don't let that happen.  One Catholic person giving you advice, and then another giving you different advice is a consequence of the world having no true pope, or as some like to say not a good pope.

    Please don't let this confusion destroy your Faith.  We are after all living in the apostasy as you say.  

    You may meet people on your journey telling you SSPX are damned or SV is not Catholic, but again that is a consequence of having no true leader.  When the shepherd is struck the sheep will scatter.  

    This is a hard time to convert but many people do.

    It is important that you do.  Eternity is forever, just think on that, forever and ever.  Allow no one to steal your Faith away.  God will find a place for you.  
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    « Reply #14 on: July 02, 2010, 02:19:59 PM »
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    My name is henry (forgot to cap the h). I'm not Catholic yet, but I have some Catholic connections in my family and have learned quite a bit about the Church. I've been thinking about converting for a while. If this was 1950 or 1850 or 1050 I would have already become a member of the Church. But Vatican II has thrown me for a doozy and so I'm trying to find the Church of the saints amidst all this apostasy and sometimes it feels as if I'm finding my way in the dark.

    I hope my time here is fruitful. Thank you.




    Good luck to you, Henry, in finding that Church of saints.  The only Catholic Church I know is filled with sinners.  :pop:
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