Greetings, Semi. How on earth did you find this forum? We are mostly Catholics here who as you know believe that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. As an amateur scientist you might be interested in the fact that there are geocentrists who post here. And most of us do not believe in evolution. You would think that we are blinded by our faith and we would think that you are blinded by your pride. Welcome.
I found it while searching for KathJuliane and found Brother Nathanael thread here.
(Actually I've been searching for a speaking platform when B.N. censored my post.) I hope you will not burn (or ban) me at stack for my heresies, otherwise I'd be pleased to discuss and argue with those who disagree.
About salvation - there is hardly a salvation
for you outside of
your church.
(Many others consider themselves to be "one holy catholic and apostolic" too...)About flat Earth - nothing such is written in Scripture. While studying clouds from multiple geostationary satelites
(multiple viewpoints), and sometimes personally feeling difference between air coming from Indian monsoones via Canada to Europe
(it's more wet and unrest) from air comming from Brazilian rainforests or hurricane remnants, and watching cloud animations on the map
(perfectly matching from one satelite's view to another's), I have personal ultimate perception of spherical Earth, while still sitting in mountain cottage. And as I've studied planetary dynamics and personally calculated ephemerides 100k years ahead, I'm ultimately sure about Sun's and Earth's and Moon's gravity and moment of Inertia. Did you experience a Tide ?
(Tidal force is a sum of gravity and moment of inertia (it just seems like a difference of gravity here and at center), which is a scientific heresy, they claim some different complicated nonsense about that. And Moon's orbit is more complicated than what you think, because Moon orbits foremost arround Sun, and then somehow also whirls with Earth arround our common E-M barycenter.) Maybe better to make a separate thread for that, no space in "introduction" thread for a longer talk...About evolution - ten billion letters of DNA code in each cell is a heavy proof - there is Mass, Energy and Information, and you cannot create bulk amount of Information instantly out of nothing.
(And skeletons found in old layers are a proof too.) God is not any smaller if he sowed the life here and patiently tended this garden for hundreds of millions of years, on contrary (He is greater than what you thought). The DNA bio-computer did not evolve here, it came here already perfecly working, and the Eye of mammals also did not evolve here on Earth. The Life descends from Life and not from unalive mud, so when Pasteur proved that, scientists just shifted it by an octave into the past, that Life happened from unalive mud sometimes long ago, but it is a same nonsense. From all that evolved here on Earth there are living remnants and descendants, but there are no descendants of DNA prototype versions, and if it could evolve here that fast just by itself, it would evolve
(different versions) many times since, but that never happened. So the Evolution does not disprove existence of God, on contrary it proves existence of God. "
Formed human dust of ground" probably means from physical elements
(O,H,C,N,...), which indirectly shows there exist beings made from Energies only, or yet otherwise, for example Angels... But God does not cheat and you cannot write billions of letters of DNA code into billions of cells by mere Word at once, and if >90% of those letters are same as in monkey or pig, it is evident, that the biological body has been raised and developed continually. Genesis and rest of Old Testament has not been translated correctly, there are multiple possible readings and incorrect ones have been chosen. It could also make a separate thread... Gn2:8
And J. God have established protection (or garden?) in until now since prehistory and placed there the human which (he) formed. (While reading this paragraph, it could also be arranged as "spirit, energy, mass, information"... Possibly? Nice idea, will think on it more later...) ... Horse'n'carriage ... Truth'n'Dogma
Some Dogmates are rather a Cage and not a Carriage.
(Or a cage to stop the rage?) A Cage to keep you outside but not escaping elsewhere... They served a purpose to stop fruitless arguing and quarrel in antiquity times when correct solutions were out of reach of human intellect of that era... Keeping them literally unchanged into modern times restrains you onto antiquity mental level...
But there are more important things than Evolution anyway and your salvation or liberation does not depend on prehistory much.
Jesus is our Lord regardless of whether some Adam or Jacob existed or not.
("adam" just means "human", or "bloody,red,pink" or "I'll be silent", which is why they didn't translate it well. Jacob and Esau and many others there are just important parables, not a real history, or it does not matter much if it was historically theater-played once by God, but it matters until today what those parables mean...)
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