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Offline Meg

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Re: Introducing myself
« Reply #1020 on: August 20, 2019, 01:30:13 PM »
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  • "Meeting someone where they are" can mean a lot of different things. I'd ask for clarification if unsure.

    I mean Paul IN ONE SENSE did so with the Athenians.

    Francis is bad because he strains Pelagian and acts like "good people go to heaven"

    I agree that it can mean different things, but to Pope Francis, and often with Novus Ordo Catholics, it often means that we accept and are okay with whatever "lifestyle" they are attuned to, and we overlook any problems such as co-habitation, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, etc, in hopes that maybe someday, they will be okay with what the Church actually teaches and insists on (or used to insist on).

    Pope Francis is very much into the "meeting someone where they are," which coincides with "accompaniment." The problem with that view is that there is not a clear teaching given to those whom are "met where they are," because it might, for example, cause them to turn away from conversion. But that's a BIG problem, because they absolutely need to know what proper Church teaching is, even if there's a chance that they might reject it and not convert. It may be inconvenient to live as Our Lord expects us to, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it.

    Some of the Apostles themselves were not happy when Our Lord said that divorce and remarriage is not allowed. But that did not stop Our Lord from proclaiming the truth.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Introduce yourself!
    « Reply #1021 on: August 20, 2019, 01:35:58 PM »
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  • Dominic, I will share something I just learned, having been here just slightly longer than you. (But I have been working very hard to get the lay of the land, because I want to know if this is a benign place, or not. I am learning!)

    You should know that you are not allowed to use the "like" and "dislike" buttons. Only regular (not newcomer) members can use those buttons. They are the (swarm of) judges, and you, the newcomer, are here to be judged. You heretic.  :heretic:

    In my first good insider look here at SSPX and SSPX-related groups (I thought it was "Trad Cath" but now inside, I think unless I am in some ways related to SSPX I am in fact a disdained outsider to a chunk of folk here), I am beginning to get the idea that this is an insiders group that probably judges each other quite a bit.  Members of this group of elites, who are so much better than us, work to keep each other toeing the line. That certainly works to feel a bit like being constantly battered to many for these elitists, who must work tirelessly to adjust and align their life so they can avoid being judged for doing it wrong. This is all very tiring. But a newbie showing up here is a delightful opportunity to turn it around and enjoy being the smug batterer, rather than the battered!  That explains the "sharkbait" feeling I got right off.




    If you aren't already an insider, then you just aren't good enough. And you being "ignorant you" means that you have nothing to offer. Just a lot to criticize (and dislike).

    (There are nice folks here too, and I am thankful. I would like to know these like-minded, sincere Catholics better, but I am beginning to doubt I can handle exposing myself to the very real element of ugliness and unkindness, whatever size it is, that is deeply rooted and at home here. And I just cannot understand how exposure to such a beautiful Mass would not transform people to be more Christlike. How?)  

    I hope that you stick around, Eliza. You seem to think that you already know it all (I'm like that too), but that approach isn't going to work well here. There's a lot you can learn here, if you decide to develop a thicker skin. The Catholic Faith isn't all about peace and love, as you have perhaps been led to believe.

    Perhaps you should try to understand why you have downvotes. I know why I have a lot of them, but it's okay. I don't mind. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


    Offline Marys Anawim

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    Re: Introduce yourself!
    « Reply #1022 on: August 20, 2019, 04:07:11 PM »
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  • Hi my name is Melody ;D...
    I was born and raised in the nous ordo, but was really a worldling...

    when I was 21 had a "conversion" into the Charismatic Movement in Bronx, ny. 
    I met my husband there and slowly God has brought us to the traditional latin mass in south jersey
     and more recently to the understanding of the traditional "sects". 

    we attend an SSPX mass in Philly, but have the mindset of the resistance (mainly because we do not agree with the desire of the SSPX to cozy up with and have unity with Rome, when Rome has essentially lost the faith).

    We have 5 beautiful children and have homeschooled since the beginning :laugh2:

    we are hoping and praying to move to the mountains of the Dominican Republic 
    and have a small catholic community there as we live simple, humble, charitable, penitential lives through this crazy time (which I believe to be the beginning of the chastisement.

    Love the Catholic faith and life :)

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    Re: Introduce yourself!
    « Reply #1023 on: August 20, 2019, 04:32:53 PM »
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  • Hi my name is Melody ;D...
    Hi Melody. Do you pray to Saint Cecelia often? 
    My opinions change like the wind but I now think the most beautiful girl in the world is named Cecelia.
    I love the name Melody as I love music. I am learning how to play the guitar.
    My favorite name for a girl is Marina, which makes perfect sense if you know me well enough.
    Shakespeare wrote a play called Pericles (but they think that he only wrote part of it). The part that he wrote is my favorite of Shakespeare's comedies, and Marina is my favorite female character in Shakespeare's plays, except of course for Cordelia.
    God bless you and welcome to our little forum.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.

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    Re: Introduce yourself!
    « Reply #1024 on: August 20, 2019, 05:02:18 PM »
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  • Welcome Melody! Congratulations of your 5 beautiful children. Maybe over time we can learn more about you plans. Very interesting.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Re: Introduce yourself!
    « Reply #1025 on: August 20, 2019, 07:26:08 PM »
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  • So by going to a diocesan latin Mass, you're acknowledging that the Novus Ordo sacrilege is a legitimate and Catholic Mass, and the primary Mass in the Roman rite. You're supporting the beast.
    Says who?

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    Re: Introduce yourself!
    « Reply #1026 on: August 20, 2019, 09:04:06 PM »
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  • I hope that you stick around, Eliza. You seem to think that you already know it all (I'm like that too), but that approach isn't going to work well here. There's a lot you can learn here, if you decide to develop a thicker skin. The Catholic Faith isn't all about peace and love, as you have perhaps been led to believe.

    Perhaps you should try to understand why you have downvotes. I know why I have a lot of them, but it's okay. I don't mind.
    Thanks, Meg.  I really don't know it all, I just know what I know, and say it. When I do there is openness to correction but "You're wrong I'm right" isn't enough to convince me of anything. I don't mind other people saying they see it another way. I just don't like rudeness. And I am willing to be corrected in my wrong thinking but not just because someone says so - it have to understand it and know it to be true. God gives us discernment if we seek it. But I believe that corrections and information given to the uninformed should be given in a kind, Christlike way, or at least a neutral, not condemning way. (Unless it is some kind of urgent situation). So I think it better to ignore rude folk until they can find some decent way to say what is on their mind. If they know something I need to know, I trust God to will bring it to me another way, through a kind, or at least normal person.  People should not treat other people like everyone needs a thick skin all the time. So if they do they are unlikely to get my attention. 
    Hmm, the Catholic faith isn't about peace and love. Well, I work with children, and they aren't all from Christian homes, and I need to be peaceful and loving even under high stress situations. It is something I cannot maintain on my own but need to be walking with our Lord, offering up my day and also things as they happen, and evaluating how I did that day, and I need to receive the Sacraments as often as possible and sit before the Lord in the Eucharist regularly and also be strict about my disciplines. This is what I try to do and I know I can do more but this is what I am doing now. I often meditate on the sorrowful mysteries and that isn't much peace and love. Well it is love. I often think of the children at Fatima and their very, very serious faces. They of course are an example to us. Maybe that is what you mean by it not being about peace and love?
    I have watched a bunch of TnT with my husband, though not lately, as we both happened, for whatever reason, to take a lot less interest this summer. But we often watch CM (which is nice and short), because I want to understand the reality we are living in. Also because I became Catholic in a very liberal diocese, and so much was off in so many ways, CM's reporting 9also Taylor's Infiltration) explains to me WHY, and puts so many stray pieces of the puzzle together for me. However in order to still have peace after watching it, I find that I need to pray my rosary before I watch it... (I mean already have prayed it that day).
    I know I can be doing more, but doing that to help me maintain the peace of God in me, and being loving to the people in my life, and including a new sort of "hard case" person God has put in my life, is my vocation right now. And my career with children. It's not a Christian environment, but I exist "in the world but not of the world"...
    When I change on a thing, it can sometimes be a sudden turn around, because of sudden clarity and conviction, but more often it is by degrees that Gods leads me, bringing me to understanding of every change I make in my life that He has pointed me to. And I need to have understanding and peace about a thing - peace and conviction that it is God's way, before I jump in (at which point I am all in).  Which is why I said I was wary here of being the object of concerted conversion attempts.
    It's interesting because I came here to fellowship with other TradCaths with no interest in learning about SSPX at all. Then in and looking around, I find I am in a conclave of sorts, which is not what I expected. So if people can show a modicuм of tolerance for someone who does not know all about something they know all about and are committed to, I might end up learning about what I never thought i was too interested in learning about. And maybe it will turn out that God had a reason for that.
    And the peace of God, which surpasseth all understanding, keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus.

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    Re: Introduce yourself!
    « Reply #1027 on: August 20, 2019, 09:32:31 PM »
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  • Meg is right — you must develop a spirit of humility and acceptance that you're always learning if you want a pleasant experience here.

    There is a user like you, named Banezian. He consistently thought he was his own supreme authority and refused to admit he was wrong, which we all have to do. There are very few, in 2019, adult cradle Trads. You can look up his reputation score, which speaks for itself.
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    Re: Introduce yourself!
    « Reply #1028 on: August 20, 2019, 10:27:05 PM »
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  • It's interesting because I came here to fellowship with other TradCaths with no interest in learning about SSPX at all. Then in and looking around, I find I am in a conclave of sorts, which is not what I expected. So if people can show a modicuм of tolerance for someone who does not know all about something they know all about and are committed to, I might end up learning about what I never thought i was too interested in learning about. And maybe it will turn out that God had a reason for that.
    Cathinfo has always had a diverse crowd. Our captain allows Catholics of various stripes to post here. When the forum was in its youth it was officially sympathetic with the SSPX. And then when it reached its adulthood it became sympathetic to "the resistance" which is an unofficial nickname for those priests who left the SSPX and now support Bishop Williamson, a former SSPX Bishop who was expelled and is now independent. But all kinds of Catholics are allowed.
    There are those who go to the "Novus Ordo" or the "Ordinary Form," and those go to the various Eastern Rites, but the majority go the the traditional Latin Mass or the "Extraordinary Form". But there are different kinds of Catholics who attend the Latin Mass and they have different ideas. If you stay here you can learn about all of them.

    As a new member we should be kind to you. In my experience some trads have a temper and some think they know everything, but in general I have known more good than bad, but perhaps I am simply fortunate. So welcome to our forum. I hope it pleases you. sometimes we argue and get mad, but we all mean well. And when someone comes along who does not mean well, he is usually banned. And everyone is happy (except for me. I usually want clemency for the banned, no matter the reason and I pridefully think I know better than our captain. As proof that he was right, on occasion he offers clemency to the banned, but the banned usually deny this mercy. However one of my favorite posters, Ladislaus was banned and he was offered pardon and he accepted and now he is one of the most prominent posters).

    In my current state, as I am now, and as a mortal I am always changing. I offer friendship to all Catholics and I think there are Catholics in many places.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.

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    Re: Introduce yourself!
    « Reply #1029 on: August 20, 2019, 10:45:20 PM »
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  • Meg is right — you must develop a spirit of humility and acceptance that you're always learning if you want a pleasant experience here.

    There is a user like you, named Banezian. He consistently thought he was his own supreme authority and refused to admit he was wrong, which we all have to do. There are very few, in 2019, adult cradle Trads. You can look up his reputation score, which speaks for itself.
    I looked up Banezian out of curiosity and he's not there!
    In the olden days I believe that the name remained but labelled "banned". Not so.
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    Re: Introduce yourself!
    « Reply #1030 on: August 20, 2019, 11:29:44 PM »
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  • Quote
    Says who?

    Says reality. If you can't see it, you really don't understand the Crisis in the Church.
    "I'm running things now, and I'll do everything it takes to destroy the enemies of God. Now, you join me, and I promise you, you'll never have to worry about whether you're doing the right thing or the wrong thing, because we will do the only thing."
    ~ Joseph Croix de Fer


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    « Reply #1031 on: August 20, 2019, 11:33:57 PM »
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  • False trads like to compartmentalize (going to diocesan and FSSP services) which helps them rationalize supporting the beast.
    "I'm running things now, and I'll do everything it takes to destroy the enemies of God. Now, you join me, and I promise you, you'll never have to worry about whether you're doing the right thing or the wrong thing, because we will do the only thing."
    ~ Joseph Croix de Fer

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    « Reply #1032 on: August 21, 2019, 01:27:11 AM »
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  • I looked up Banezian out of curiosity and he's not there!
    In the olden days I believe that the name remained but labelled "banned". Not so.
    https://imgur.com/a/n1YZaLk
    You don't get to a ratio like that being a pleasant human being.
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    « Reply #1033 on: August 21, 2019, 07:12:46 AM »
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  • Meg is right — you must develop a spirit of humility and acceptance that you're always learning if you want a pleasant experience here.

    There is a user like you, named Banezian. He consistently thought he was his own supreme authority and refused to admit he was wrong, which we all have to do. There are very few, in 2019, adult cradle Trads. You can look up his reputation score, which speaks for itself.
    Both Meg and you are right.  She comes off like a proud know-it-all.  Plus, who has time to read treatise posts? 

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  • Hmm, the Catholic faith isn't about peace and love.

    You are misquoting what I said. I said the Catholic Faith isn't ALL about peace and love. Do you understand the difference?

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29