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« Reply #810 on: January 22, 2017, 03:52:11 AM »
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    • Thank you for answering my question, laststand. I don't think the circuмstances of your parents' marriage makes you a bastard, though I could be wrong.
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    « Reply #811 on: January 22, 2017, 01:10:14 PM »
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    Welcome Cody. How can your family stuation bar you from the priesthood? Who have you tried asking?


    Parents are baptized Catholics. They cohabitted, got married in Vegas away from their families, and were not open to life. Their marriage is invalid by three measurements. That technically makes me an illegtimate.

    Talked to my pastor. Bastards can't be priests. Deuteronomy 23:2. Catechism of Council of Trent and the SSPX doesn't allow it. End of story. Besides, I never had a desire to be a priest so no harm for me.


    Hello!

    Just for the record, none of the measurements you listed would invalidate a marriage.  If two baptized people marry, even outside the Church, the marriage is valid.  It is unlawful in this case (because as baptized Catholics, they had an obligation to marry in the Church) but it is valid.
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    « Reply #812 on: January 22, 2017, 02:21:06 PM »
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    • I have joined this forum to discuss and ask and learn more about the Orthodox beliefs of the Catholic Church  and I am very orthodox.  My name is Tom Jacques     Also I tried to PM someone as they had a real good post and this annoying box comes up instead of just going to the PM part that box gets in my way, stating " you must be a verified member or something " and I am a member    can someone fix this?   thank you
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    « Reply #813 on: January 22, 2017, 04:13:21 PM »
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    • Welcome, Tom!

    Are you Catholic? This is the place to learn more about our faith, as it is handed down to a s from the Apartment stles.

    Usually it takes about a week before you can send a message. Can you not respond to that comment on the thread itself?
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    « Reply #814 on: January 22, 2017, 04:32:27 PM »
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    Just for the record, none of the measurements you listed would invalidate a marriage.  If two baptized people marry, even outside the Church, the marriage is valid.  It is unlawful in this case (because as baptized Catholics, they had an obligation to marry in the Church) but it is valid.

    Are you sure? I thought if baptized Catholics marry outside the Church it is not a valid marriage. I know one traditional Catholic who was in such a marriage and was divorced and was under the impression that his marriage was invalid because he was married outside the Church.
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    « Reply #815 on: January 22, 2017, 06:30:23 PM »
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    Welcome Cody. How can your family stuation bar you from the priesthood? Who have you tried asking?


    Parents are baptized Catholics. They cohabitted, got married in Vegas away from their families, and were not open to life. Their marriage is invalid by three measurements. That technically makes me an illegtimate.

    Talked to my pastor. Bastards can't be priests. Deuteronomy 23:2. Catechism of Council of Trent and the SSPX doesn't allow it. End of story. Besides, I never had a desire to be a priest so no harm for me.


    Hello!

    Just for the record, none of the measurements you listed would invalidate a marriage.  If two baptized people marry, even outside the Church, the marriage is valid.  It is unlawful in this case (because as baptized Catholics, they had an obligation to marry in the Church) but it is valid.






    That's incorrect. It is invalid. By traditional standard AND by Novus Ordo standards which is pathetic. You know you're in a bad situation if you don't even follow the new doctrines. If baptized Catholics get married in front of a heretical minister that is a mortal sin and excommunication.

    Check the Catechism of the Council of Trent for that and under cladestine marriage. My pastor has confirmed all of that his and I have no reason to believe he is wrong.

    Where are you getting your doctrines from?
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    « Reply #816 on: January 23, 2017, 07:31:01 AM »
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    Welcome Cody. How can your family stuation bar you from the priesthood? Who have you tried asking?


    Parents are baptized Catholics. They cohabitted, got married in Vegas away from their families, and were not open to life. Their marriage is invalid by three measurements. That technically makes me an illegtimate.

    Talked to my pastor. Bastards can't be priests. Deuteronomy 23:2. Catechism of Council of Trent and the SSPX doesn't allow it. End of story. Besides, I never had a desire to be a priest so no harm for me.


    Hello!

    Just for the record, none of the measurements you listed would invalidate a marriage.  If two baptized people marry, even outside the Church, the marriage is valid.  It is unlawful in this case (because as baptized Catholics, they had an obligation to marry in the Church) but it is valid.






    That's incorrect. It is invalid. By traditional standard AND by Novus Ordo standards which is pathetic. You know you're in a bad situation if you don't even follow the new doctrines. If baptized Catholics get married in front of a heretical minister that is a mortal sin and excommunication.

    Check the Catechism of the Council of Trent for that and under cladestine marriage. My pastor has confirmed all of that his and I have no reason to believe he is wrong.

    Where are you getting your doctrines from?



    It is true that traditionally illegitimate children are not allowed to be priests.  I remember that growing up in the novus ordo, even they held this to be the case...

    I don't remember any of the docuмentation, but I am sure that your pastor probably has all of it.

    That being said, if you don't feel called to the priesthood, I wouldn't worry about it too much anyhow.  :-)
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    « Reply #817 on: January 23, 2017, 07:33:08 AM »
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    I have joined this forum to discuss and ask and learn more about the Orthodox beliefs of the Catholic Church  and I am very orthodox.  My name is Tom Jacques     Also I tried to PM someone as they had a real good post and this annoying box comes up instead of just going to the PM part that box gets in my way, stating " you must be a verified member or something " and I am a member    can someone fix this?   thank you


    Welcome to Catholicinfo!

    We are all here for you if you ever have questions or need prayers for yourself or your family!

    As to the PM, it usually takes a few days or a week before you can send them.  I think that this was put in as a safeguard by the admin.

    God bless!  :-)
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    « Reply #818 on: February 15, 2017, 11:24:22 PM »
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    • Hi everybody, I am from Toronto. I have been a church-goer all my life and I have always felt the presence of God calm and reassuring. It feels great to be a part of this forum and I am looking forward to having a good time here.
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    « Reply #819 on: February 16, 2017, 09:04:44 AM »
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    Hi everybody, I am from Toronto. I have been a church-goer all my life and I have always felt the presence of God calm and reassuring. It feels great to be a part of this forum and I am looking forward to having a good time here.


    Welcome, Laurnie!  :-)
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    « Reply #820 on: February 16, 2017, 11:57:10 AM »
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    •     Willkommen!

    "And vich SSPX chapel to you go to?"

    (just joking)  :wink:

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    « Reply #821 on: February 18, 2017, 01:48:21 PM »
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    • I went to novus ordo nearly all my life, with sporadic moments of blessedness @ traditional Mass (which is not to say i had have no such moments @ novus ordo.. i have but i like the R mass way better)

    I dont know why the pope seems to be against the T Mass

    but then i dont u/stand a lot of things about the pope. In any case, guess this is supposed 2b about me

    I found out the hard way how true Catholicism is--did Christianity "my way" for too long, not knowing that was what i was doing..!  

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    Now  i try to bring all those poor people who don't get it  into the Church

    i didn't know how much absolute resistance there was "out there"!!!! Whew!!!!!!

    Jesus, are we there yet?   :sad:
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    « Reply #822 on: March 06, 2017, 08:50:51 PM »
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    Welcome Cody. How can your family stuation bar you from the priesthood? Who have you tried asking?


    Parents are baptized Catholics. They cohabitted, got married in Vegas away from their families, and were not open to life. Their marriage is invalid by three measurements. That technically makes me an illegtimate.

    Talked to my pastor. Bastards can't be priests. Deuteronomy 23:2. Catechism of Council of Trent and the SSPX doesn't allow it. End of story. Besides, I never had a desire to be a priest so no harm for me.


    Hello!

    Just for the record, none of the measurements you listed would invalidate a marriage.  If two baptized people marry, even outside the Church, the marriage is valid.  It is unlawful in this case (because as baptized Catholics, they had an obligation to marry in the Church) but it is valid.






    That's incorrect. It is invalid. By traditional standard AND by Novus Ordo standards which is pathetic. You know you're in a bad situation if you don't even follow the new doctrines. If baptized Catholics get married in front of a heretical minister that is a mortal sin and excommunication.

    Check the Catechism of the Council of Trent for that and under cladestine marriage. My pastor has confirmed all of that his and I have no reason to believe he is wrong.

    Where are you getting your doctrines from?


    Cody,

    If Catholics get married outside of the church, then it is a mortal sin.  I don't recall whether or not an excommunication follows, but even if it does, that doesn't make it invalid.  It is an excommunicable offense, latae sententiae, to consecrate without an apostolic mandate, but consecrations made without such a mandate are not invalid.  Ditto marriage.

    Something can be bad without being invalid.

    Anyways, in the case you're describing, and with the information you've provided, I don't see why one should conclude that the marriage is invalid.  I am "getting my doctrines" from pre-conciliar canon lawyers, who, when listing the diriment impediments to marriage, do not list "getting married outside the church."  

    If it was truly clandestine, i.e., without witnesses, then that's a different story, or at least COULD be a different story, since the marriage would lack the canonical proof to be considered valid (though don't get upset at me, since you didn't use the word "clandestine" until now, and I'm not even sure that you're using it correctly-- it means that there's no proof that the marriage was attempted).  However, I'm sure a certificate with witnesses exists.  Besides, marriage enjoys the favor of the law; it is a unique sacrament in that it is assumed valid even in the face of doubts, unless it is proven invalid.


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    « Reply #823 on: March 22, 2017, 10:09:19 AM »
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    Parents are baptized Catholics. They cohabitted, got married in Vegas away from their families, and were not open to life. Their marriage is invalid by three measurements. That technically makes me an illegtimate.

    Talked to my pastor. Bastards can't be priests. Deuteronomy 23:2. Catechism of Council of Trent and the SSPX doesn't allow it. End of story. Besides, I never had a desire to be a priest so no harm for me.

    Hello!

    Just for the record, none of the measurements you listed would invalidate a marriage.  If two baptized people marry, even outside the Church, the marriage is valid.  It is unlawful in this case (because as baptized Catholics, they had an obligation to marry in the Church) but it is valid.





    That's incorrect. It is invalid. By traditional standard AND by Novus Ordo standards which is pathetic. You know you're in a bad situation if you don't even follow the new doctrines. If baptized Catholics get married in front of a heretical minister that is a mortal sin and excommunication.

    Check the Catechism of the Council of Trent for that and under cladestine marriage. My pastor has confirmed all of that his and I have no reason to believe he is wrong.

    Where are you getting your doctrines from?


    It is true that traditionally illegitimate children are not allowed to be priests.  I remember that growing up in the novus ordo, even they held this to be the case...

    I don't remember any of the docuмentation, but I am sure that your pastor probably has all of it.

    That being said, if you don't feel called to the priesthood, I wouldn't worry about it too much anyhow.  :-)

    I know of at least one Catholic bishop from the sixth century in Scotland, who is a canonized saint, who was illegitimate. His parents weren't even married. His father is unknown. His name is St. Mungo (aka St. Kentigern). He is an important and revered Scottish saint, and the patron saint of Glasgow. Not only that, but his mother, St. Theneva, is also a canonized saint.

    Neither St. Mungo or his mother were Catholic when he was born. It is believed that St. Mungo was baptized, however, shortly after his birth, as was his mother.

    http://www.mainlesson.com/display.php?author=hallg&book=saints&story=kentigern
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    • Good Day,
    Just introducing myself.  I'm a cradle Catholic, and was raised in the Novus Ordo growing up.  Since college, I've been on a long journey through Catholicism trying to find what I believe is right and true, and ended up joining an SSPX church.  It feels like coming home to me.
    I'm trying to learn more about my faith and meet likeminded people, so I was very glad to find this forum.  I look forward to getting to know y'all better and having intelligent discussions about our faith and living in the world!
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