Debate isn't something I can do well nor ever enjoyed because I don't like 'besting' anyone. I've always been an information gatherer and dispenser. I like sharing what has worked for me, particularly with devotions. But now, front and center is this: I'm in the throes of moving after a long time in Hawaii - came to teach, pretty much. Looking for where I'll be living (and dying).
I guess rather than controversy on related but more distant topics, I am interested and need more clarity on the 'stricter side' of pre 1958 Catholicism and how that translates into n o w. What means something to me is getting situated in a place served by bishops who are validly ordained and have jurisdiction. They don't have to be resident, but assuming that they have ordinary or supplied jurisdiction, the priests serving under them would too I believe is accurate. Maybe all this interest comes from having a seminarian even Lutheran in my background... but is very key to where I move because valid sacraments are key.
I've been an epikeia sort of person.... valuing flexibility but in reality, flexibility is destructive - not everything is flexible. That's a protestant approach to life: flexibility to allow for material growth, gain. I understand this very well through experience. There is little other emphasis even from loving parents who did all the right things and gave me everything in one of the wealthiest communities in the country. What I didn't have was : a standard (!) I now see that lack of information made a huge difference in my life. The information wasn't available to me, but it wasn't available to even Catholics. I grew up, we all are growing up in - chaotic times.
Epikeia can only be used in the internal forum, not in gaining any changes in unwanted laws from pre-1958 Catholicism or entirely dispensing with them. I wasn't born knowing this; I did research on the subject since epikeia plays such an important part in my future with traditional Catholicism. I'm gullible, but less so than I used to be.
About this topic of jurisdiction... the more I learned, the more I saw I had assumed way too much about jurisdiction
- something I wasn't even aware of pretty much, until relatively recently. I had always assumed that it came automatically with ordination or consecration. I thought it was simple. I hope to find a middle ground between no options and anything is fine. There cannot be 'no options' because Christ promised there always would be, so to speak, even now. Anyway.... this subject is possibly going to have to be dealt with privately.
I treasure being here. +
Oh... I 'converted' into Catholicism at the local flagship cathedral for the entire island chain: Our Lady of Peace in Honolulu, with the front altar abandoned, and the table set up in the middle of the nave, presiders' chairs, and female dispensers of bread and wine, which is what the meal is. This was less Catholic by several degrees than the Episcopal Church in which I was raised. After some months, I left. During this time, I was on my way to traditional Catholicism through listening to podcasts and reading such places as catholic.com and Catholic Answers and its forum. I was working 18 hour days, commuting 1 hr 10 mins by bike to teach at a school far away from home, and listening all the way! I've always had a 'hearing heart.' I think, or a reading one anyway. That's enough about me: I want to focus on other people and learn from them. I will put my avatar up when I get the one I want.
The only thing a born protestant can offer is this maybe: everything is one way in dealing with Catholics - everything is a gift to me! The only thing I can offer in return is my experience of how things are turning out for me, as it happens so to speak. Because, I am, God willing, finally moving this year, safely and soundly.