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It's simple.

It borders on blasphemy to sit there claiming the Trad movement hasn't begun, or that God hasn't sent anyone to help us during this time in the desert.

That isn't how God has worked in the past. There have always been heroes or prophets sent by God to help His people through trying times. Why wouldn't he do this in the New Testament, for Catholics who are in a special way part of Jesus Christ Himself (via the Mystical Body)? God always gives help, especially to those of good will and those with eyes to see and ears to hear. The Trad movement fits this modus operandi perfectly. It's difficult enough, but still within reach of virtually everyone WHO WANTS IT.

If God sent Moses and Joshua to lead the Chosen People through the desert, why would He leave the faithful Catholics, part of the Mystical Body, COMPLETELY FLOUNDERING with no help or guidance for 50+ years?

That's not the God I know, love, and serve.

See what I'm saying? This isn't about suffering or trials. God has always tried those He loved like gold in the furnace. However, in those trials there was always a path, a certain amount of guidance, and a way to deal with it.

This is why I have zero respect, and nothing but criticism, for those who would throw the entire Traditional Movement into the rubbish bin or stay aloof from it.

Thank you, Matthew, for the detailed answer.


With respect to "claiming that God hasn't sent anyone to help us during this time in the desert."

I do believe that there certainly will be a final time of tribulation without precedence (Mt 24, Dan 12). Our Lord will let the reign of Antichrist happen. The prophecies about the final time of tribulation speak of the worst time on earth ever. They don't sound as if there will be much help for the announced scattered handful of faithful left. Rather the opposite: Affliction.

We may or may not live in this final time of tribulation, when the Church will be "in eclipse" (as St. Jerome said in "In Danielem"). I don't know. My guess is: yes we do. But that's just a guess.

We may on the other hand live in some other sort of tribulation, less dramatic. Yes, 50 years already, but the last tribulation is announced to be the worst. Then this is a situation not prophecised. At least I wouldn't be aware of the prophecy. You say: then God would send a prophet. Given, you're right, we'd better follow that prophet.

But why do you want folks to have "a Trad hero"? Wouldn't it have to be a specific hero? Wouldn't it have to be the prophet God sent us? Or did he send more than one? Wouldn't Feeney be a false prophet? Or Pfeiffer? What about Pagliarini?

Most impressing and helpful to me was Dom Antônio de Castro Mayer. Even more than Abp Levebvre. Both did formidable work. But then: what happened to the majority of their sheep? What happened to the institutions they founded?

Matthew, why does your forum have like and dislike options?

In my experience it allows a kind of bullying of opinions,
especially with regard to comments on the SSPX and the Resistance.

All one needs is half a dozen 'get lost' hits for someone to move on to a different subject thinking their opinion is not wanted or needed.

Surely a forum, especially a Catholic one, should allow debate on a subject to decide if it has merit or not, and not be allowed put down by annonomous persons clicking on 'dislike.'

That said Matthew, many thanks for allowing debate on subjects that other Catholic forums will ban you for bringing them up.