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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
« Reply #45 on: September 05, 2018, 09:29:08 PM »
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    How will the children understand how much Jesus loved His mother, when they aren't as bonded to their own mother, due to skipping breastfeeding which is known to create a strong bond between mother and child?
    Right.  I know there are circuмstances where a mother can't breastfeed, but it seems like it should be the normal way.  I mean "infant formula" is a modern invention of the 1950s.  In the past, if a mother's couldn't feed (for whatever reason), they had a 'wet nurse' or some other alternative.

    p.s.  My comment might be a distraction, so feel free to delete or move.

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    Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
    « Reply #46 on: September 05, 2018, 10:28:47 PM »
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  • My favorite part is where I thank myself for my time.  :laugh1:

    My favorite part is:

    Quote from: Matthew
    What kind of Catholics do you want on CathInfo?

    All Traditional Catholics are welcome. All who can rationally discuss with other Traditional Catholics are welcome. However, they need to be able to get along with those who disagree with them on disputed points. Lay-popes, or those who act as judges or arbiters of truth and attempt to put down "the final, definitive word" on centuries-long theological debates, are not welcome and won't last long here. If you are not the Pope, please do not pass off your opinion as a "Papal Bull". Since you are not the Pope, it is not Papal. So we are left with "Bull".

    I am "Cradle Catholic" but not a "Cradle Trad" like you are. I rejected the conciliar sect A.D. 1980 when I was 17. They had told me, that rules had changed and that it is not necessary to be a Catholic anymore to please the Lord. I left, because I realized that they didn't even believe that the Gospels are true reports. I had heard about Lefebvre at school, but he was presented as some kind of rebel/amish/jehovas witness. 25 years went by before I was kicked back to the faith. Now, other than a "Cradle Trad", I needed justifiable reasons to reject the conciliar sect and move ahead to the SSPX, later to the Resistance, then to my "authority-vacant" position.

    I spent much time on many a topic in the past 13 years. Looking for good substantiation of my decisions. When judgement comes around, I hope to be pardoned.

    With respect to the "more important things" you mention, I have less a load. My wife is more zealous than I am, and then there is a dog only.

    What I have learned in studying, researching, and debating trad issues, is: In many cases, one can do the most obvious thing. For example, on the one hand, one can argue many topics connected to the question whether a certain cleric has lost his office; on the other hand, it is simply absurd to accept someone as an apostolic authority, who walks and houls like a wolf. A study of the Magisterium and/or theologians is never useless, but on the other hand it is not really needed. Noone waits for the judge to condemn the pedophile teacher before making sure that his child is out of danger. So, for all practical purposes, it is the right thing to assume, that the wolf does not represent the authority of our Lord.

    Another example is religious liberty. It is infallibly condemned. But one doesn't even have to know that, to reject it. It is idiotic. They say that God on the one hand reveals commandments and threatens severe punishment, and on the other hand provides a natural right to ignore him and his commandments and punishments. As if God was a lunatic (like they themselves are).



    If anyone has any other good questions, please let me know. The "interviewer" isn't far away, and I know him pretty well.

    Why did you require that one has to have "Trad heroes"? Catholics have as heroes the Lord and his virgin mother Mary, apostles, popes, fathers, saints etc. My special heros are all the fathers of the Vatican Council and of the Council of Trent, St. Pius V. with respect to the mass, and St. Pius X. with respect to modernism. Also I am not a Trad (and they are Catholics). I am a Catholic (and they are the conciliar sect, as Lefebvre appropriately called them).




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    Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
    « Reply #47 on: September 05, 2018, 11:12:45 PM »
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  • I know, and I am extremely critical of such poor excuses for Trads. Some Trads need to learn how to MYOB (Mind Your Own Business).

    (snip)

    Anyhow, these Pharisaical Trads also need to learn basic manners and what is socially acceptable behavior: because, frankly, some atheists and pagans have them beat.
    The phrase "socially retarded" comes to mind.

    Some Trads embrace the Trad package because it means being contrarian, so they can rub it in the world's face. They actually enjoy being a sign of contradiction to the Modern World. That can be a good starting point for spiritual growth, but it can also be a starting point for narcissism and pride. (snip)
    I snipped out the parts about family size because the comments above are right on in a general sense, not just about that topic.
    I love the traditional faith, but find many trads to be unbearable.  That's why I agree with what you said in the interview about many of the theological arguments not being beneficial to the average Catholic.  Pray, and live the faith.

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    Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
    « Reply #48 on: September 06, 2018, 09:45:48 AM »
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  • No doubt many of us have encountered those radical Trads who were just too imbalanced. Pride and hardheadedness amongst one particular matriarch I unfortunately had to deal with. She got into a loggerhead dispute with the priest, got seriously miffed, and the whole family ended up going back to the Nervous OhNo. Certainly shows a Faith poorly grounded.
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    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster

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    Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
    « Reply #49 on: September 06, 2018, 09:58:20 AM »
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  • Why did you require that one has to have "Trad heroes"?


    It's simple.

    It borders on blasphemy to sit there claiming the Trad movement hasn't begun, or that God hasn't sent anyone to help us during this time in the desert.

    That isn't how God has worked in the past. There have always been heroes or prophets sent by God to help His people through trying times. Why wouldn't he do this in the New Testament, for Catholics who are in a special way part of Jesus Christ Himself (via the Mystical Body)? God always gives help, especially to those of good will and those with eyes to see and ears to hear. The Trad movement fits this modus operandi perfectly. It's difficult enough, but still within reach of virtually everyone WHO WANTS IT.

    If God sent Moses and Joshua to lead the Chosen People through the desert, why would He leave the faithful Catholics, part of the Mystical Body, COMPLETELY FLOUNDERING with no help or guidance for 50+ years?

    That's not the God I know, love, and serve.

    See what I'm saying? This isn't about suffering or trials. God has always tried those He loved like gold in the furnace. However, in those trials there was always a path, a certain amount of guidance, and a way to deal with it.

    This is why I have zero respect, and nothing but criticism, for those who would throw the entire Traditional Movement into the rubbish bin or stay aloof from it.
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    Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
    « Reply #50 on: September 06, 2018, 12:02:07 PM »
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  • Only thing I like about cats is that, in Buddhism, the cat was said to be the only animal to refuse to bow down to Buddha.  

    So I'll give it credit for that at least.

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    Cats don't bow down to anything, that is, unless they're getting ready to grab it and EAT it.
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    Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
    « Reply #51 on: September 06, 2018, 12:07:45 PM »
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  • A man of varied talents which means you can likely whistle Dixie as you clean your muzzleloader. :cowboy:

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    Then you could say, "He's not just whistlin' Dixie!"                         
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    Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
    « Reply #52 on: September 06, 2018, 12:29:27 PM »
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  • Since cats have been mentioned, I mistyped Cathinfo, leaving out a character (not having actually hit that key when reaching for it) ... and ended up here --

    https://catinfo.org/
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    Looks like a useful site for sage advice, from a DVM, with a grateful cat named Robbie. Doesn't have such a bad life:
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    Saying "Thank you" for dinner....................... Checking out tomorrow's handcrafted menu.
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    Author, Lisa Pierson, DVM, explains in detail Robbie's health crisis which she remedied by designing a special diet for him.
    The best pets are often those who are rescued from life-threatening situations, as if they're aware they owe everything to you.
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    Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
    « Reply #53 on: September 06, 2018, 12:47:46 PM »
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    Why did you require that one has to have "Trad heroes"? Catholics have as heroes the Lord and his virgin mother Mary, apostles, popes, fathers, saints etc. My special heros are all the fathers of the Vatican Council and of the Council of Trent, St. Pius V. with respect to the mass, and St. Pius X. with respect to modernism. Also I am not a Trad (and they are Catholics). I am a Catholic (and they are the conciliar sect, as Lefebvre appropriately called them). 
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    All throughout history God has provided contemporary living saints for the current generation, whenever it was. 
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    We are not left on our own quasi-Deist-like where everything was set in motion long ago and God is at a vast distance.
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    Although I never met him myself, I met several others who had known Padre Pio firsthand.
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    A great saint has a way of rubbing off on others, their spirit is contagious; this is a very important feature of a living faith.
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    There's only so much you can glean from reading books --- it takes real one-to-one interaction with living people. 
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    Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
    « Reply #54 on: September 06, 2018, 02:58:14 PM »
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  • Claiming that God has stopped sending us saints, ESPECIALLY in a great time of tribulation like the past 50 years, is also quite foolish. Anyone who suggests something like that must not know God very well.

    And if there are saints today, where would we find them? They might be sprinkled here and there, but I guarantee you a bunch of them would be in the Traditional Movement. I've read enough Lives of the Saints to confidently make that prediction. Now we might be surprised about who they are -- quietly praying in the back of the chapel next to their walker (because they are 90 years old and can't walk very well) rather than vesting for Mass in the Sacristy... but I digress.

    Nothing against Trad priests today -- I'm just extrapolating from actual Lives of the Saints, and private revelations that have been given to us in the past. I distinctly remember a certain person was shocked to hear from God that the holiest person in the parish was actually a married housewife or something like that. Also, the number of canonized parish priests in the past 200 years: isn't it just the Cure of Ars and maybe Fr. Miguel Pro?
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    Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
    « Reply #55 on: September 06, 2018, 10:52:40 PM »
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  • It's simple.

    It borders on blasphemy to sit there claiming the Trad movement hasn't begun, or that God hasn't sent anyone to help us during this time in the desert.

    That isn't how God has worked in the past. There have always been heroes or prophets sent by God to help His people through trying times. Why wouldn't he do this in the New Testament, for Catholics who are in a special way part of Jesus Christ Himself (via the Mystical Body)? God always gives help, especially to those of good will and those with eyes to see and ears to hear. The Trad movement fits this modus operandi perfectly. It's difficult enough, but still within reach of virtually everyone WHO WANTS IT.

    If God sent Moses and Joshua to lead the Chosen People through the desert, why would He leave the faithful Catholics, part of the Mystical Body, COMPLETELY FLOUNDERING with no help or guidance for 50+ years?

    That's not the God I know, love, and serve.

    See what I'm saying? This isn't about suffering or trials. God has always tried those He loved like gold in the furnace. However, in those trials there was always a path, a certain amount of guidance, and a way to deal with it.

    This is why I have zero respect, and nothing but criticism, for those who would throw the entire Traditional Movement into the rubbish bin or stay aloof from it.


    Thank you, Matthew, for the detailed answer.


    With respect to "claiming that God hasn't sent anyone to help us during this time in the desert."

    I do believe that there certainly will be a final time of tribulation without precedence (Mt 24, Dan 12). Our Lord will let the reign of Antichrist happen. The prophecies about the final time of tribulation speak of the worst time on earth ever. They don't sound as if there will be much help for the announced scattered handful of faithful left. Rather the opposite: Affliction.

    We may or may not live in this final time of tribulation, when the Church will be "in eclipse" (as St. Jerome said in "In Danielem"). I don't know. My guess is: yes we do. But that's just a guess.

    We may on the other hand live in some other sort of tribulation, less dramatic. Yes, 50 years already, but the last tribulation is announced to be the worst. Then this is a situation not prophecised. At least I wouldn't be aware of the prophecy. You say: then God would send a prophet. Given, you're right, we'd better follow that prophet.

    But why do you want folks to have "a Trad hero"? Wouldn't it have to be a specific hero? Wouldn't it have to be the prophet God sent us? Or did he send more than one? Wouldn't Feeney be a false prophet? Or Pfeiffer? What about Pagliarini?

    Most impressing and helpful to me was Dom Antônio de Castro Mayer. Even more than Abp Levebvre. Both did formidable work. But then: what happened to the majority of their sheep? What happened to the institutions they founded?

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    Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
    « Reply #56 on: September 06, 2018, 11:24:45 PM »
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  • All throughout history God has provided contemporary living saints for the current generation, whenever it was.
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    We are not left on our own quasi-Deist-like where everything was set in motion long ago and God is at a vast distance.

    What are you talking about? "God at a vast distance" or "quasi-Deist-like"?

    I don't see any living saint. Maybe you are one, maybe Matthew is one. Not joking! But I rather stick to the saints declared and defined by popes who recognisibly acted like popes.


    Although I never met him myself, I met several others who had known Padre Pio firsthand.

    Padre Pio is a Novus Ordo Saint, canonized by JPII. I know that that's not a fault of Padre Pio. But I prefer to stick to saints I can safely accept as such.


    A great saint has a way of rubbing off on others, their spirit is contagious; this is a very important feature of a living faith.

    The Council of Trent uses the term "living faith", signifying that the faithful is not only faithful but also in the state of grace (decree on justification in one of the canons). The faith is living in case the faithful acts according to the will of Our Lord.

    I have never heard about contagious spirits which are transmitted by direct or indirect corporeal contact. Books are better:


    There's only so much you can glean from reading books --- it takes real one-to-one interaction with living people.

    No, no, no! You better avoid people as good as you can. Read Thomas à Kempis: The Imitation of Christ, one of the most popular and best known Christian books on devotion. By the way: He's a Rheinländer (and not Irish).
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)

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    Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
    « Reply #57 on: September 07, 2018, 01:43:49 AM »
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    I don't see any living saint. 

    How far does your vision reach?
    Is it necessary for a saint to be a public or well-known figure, and so to be visible?
    How many faithful are being persecuted, tortured for their faith in lands outside America?

    By the way St Pio was never an Novus Ordo priest, and he is not a Novus Ordo saint either, regardless of who canonised him.
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    A living saint (in the sense of living in this world) is one who cannot yet possibly have the stamp of approval by the Church as a saint. That doesn’t mean one cannot recognise  one. I myself, I have no doubt, have experienced living with two saints. There are others who are hidden from us.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
    « Reply #58 on: September 07, 2018, 06:37:43 AM »
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  • My favorite part is where I thank myself for my time.  :laugh1:
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    Re: Interview with Matthew, the Moderator
    « Reply #59 on: September 07, 2018, 08:01:38 AM »
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  • Matthew, why does your forum have like and dislike options?

    In my experience it allows a kind of bullying of opinions,
    especially with regard to comments on the SSPX and the Resistance.

    All one needs is half a dozen 'get lost' hits for someone to move on to a different subject thinking their opinion is not wanted or needed.

    Surely a forum, especially a Catholic one, should allow debate on a subject to decide if it has merit or not, and not be allowed put down by annonomous persons clicking on 'dislike.'

    That said Matthew, many thanks for allowing debate on subjects that other Catholic forums will ban you for bringing them up.