Author Topic: Interesting discussion on how the economy is harming the formerly (Read 621 times)

sedetrad · « **on:** July 13, 2012, 10:07:34 AM »

A friend of the wife works for a state run (medicaid) hospital as an admissions/payment counselor....basically she helps people get state aid for their medical care through Medicaid.

In years past, her clients were what you would normally think of for a state run hospital; drug addicts, prostitutes, mentally ill, by and large the lower strata of society.

However, here in 2012, she says it's a totally different deal...formally "middle class" people are now walking through the door on a daily basis...they've lost their job, or they're working but at a fraction of their old pay with no health insurance benefits...for whatever reason, they need care and their income isn't covering it...there's your 20% increase!

If the states don't expand Medicaid, the people that get shut out will just show up at the regular hospital with no (or little) ability to pay. They will be patched up and then sent to the state hospital where they will run up more bills they can't pay.

Game over folks, the number of people with someone else to pay their insurance bills is dropping dramatically...the system is going to die...ObamaCare repeal or not.

sedetrad · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2012, 10:08:16 AM »

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=208543

Scroll all the way down to the discussion section under the article. The article and the discussion are both interesting.

sedetrad · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2012, 10:10:17 AM »

As a social worker, I see the truth of what is happening daily and it isn't pretty. Formerly hard working middle class people are being driven to total poverty. The people I have seen are not "lazy."

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:05:46 PM »

Quote from: sedetrad

A friend of the wife works for a state run (medicaid) hospital as an admissions/payment counselor....basically she helps people get state aid for their medical care through Medicaid.

In years past, her clients were what you would normally think of for a state run hospital; drug addicts, prostitutes, mentally ill, by and large the lower strata of society.

However, here in 2012, she says it's a totally different deal...formally "middle class" people are now walking through the door on a daily basis...they've lost their job, or they're working but at a fraction of their old pay with no health insurance benefits...for whatever reason, they need care and their income isn't covering it...there's your 20% increase!

If the states don't expand Medicaid, the people that get shut out will just show up at the regular hospital with no (or little) ability to pay. They will be patched up and then sent to the state hospital where they will run up more bills they can't pay.

Game over folks, the number of people with someone else to pay their insurance bills is dropping dramatically...the system is going to die...ObamaCare repeal or not.

As you see it, what role does the third party payer system work into all of this?

Also, did the creation of Medicare and other government assistance programs cause an artificial increase in the cost of medical care and goods?

Do unions in the medical community bring about the solution or do they also contribute to the artificial rise in prices?

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:06:35 PM »

Quote from: sedetrad

As a social worker, I see the truth of what is happening daily and it isn't pretty. Formerly hard working middle class people are being driven to total poverty. The people I have seen are not "lazy."

Social worker?

Were you ever a fireman?

I thought someone somewhere asked you about that?

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:13:43 PM »

Quote from: sedetrad

Game over folks, the number of people with someone else to pay their insurance bills is dropping dramatically...the system is going to die...ObamaCare repeal or not.

This may be true. Government control of the health care system began many decades ago and is now nearly complete.

I guess once the health care system is under control of government workers who can't be fired, the busy bodies will go to work on the food industry.

These are the two components absolutely necessary for tyranny. All must eat and sooner or later all will need a doctor. You can let the little people talk about their gun rights all day long.

sedetrad · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:20:20 PM »

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Were you ever a fireman?

I was never a fireman. I think you are referring to Srea? The artificial cause in the rise of healthcare prices is made up of many factors. The market ticker author goes into all of those causes in many his articles and this can be searched at his website using the like provided.

theology101 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2012, 09:12:54 PM »

Socialism won't work if there is a middle class not dependent on the government for their daily needs. Which is why the PTB is working overtime to destroy it.