Author Topic: Innocent XI From the Decree of the Holy Office, Mar. 4, 1679 (Read 1611 times)

Cathedra · « **on:** July 16, 2013, 06:41:25 PM »

8. Eating and drinking even to satiety for pleasure only, are not sinful, provided this does not stand in the way of health, since any natural appetite can licitly enjoy its own actions.

What exactly does this mean? You are not allowed to have snacks?

Sigismund · « **Reply #1 on:** July 16, 2013, 06:44:08 PM »

No, it means it is not a sin to eat until you are full as long as you don't overeat and endanger your health.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #2 on:** July 16, 2013, 06:48:31 PM »

It means Catholics should enjoy good food and drink.

Quote from: Psalm 103

Thou waterest the hills from thy upper rooms: the earth shall be filled with the fruit of thy works: Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth: And that wine may cheer the heart of man. That he may make the face cheerful with oil: and that bread may strengthen man' s heart.

TradCatholic39452 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 16, 2013, 09:51:26 PM »

At first glance it may seem like pigging out just for the enjoyment of eating is fine. But in context I think it is the opposite since this opinion was condemned. There is most likely a lot more research to be done to find exactly what this is referring to.

I highlighted some other condemned opinions I thought were interesting. You can check the source here.

http://www.catecheticsonline.com/SourcesofDogma12.php

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Various Errors on Moral Subjects (II) *

[Condemned in a decree of the Holy Office, March 4, 1679]

1151 1. It is not illicit in conferring sacraments to follow a probable opinion regarding the value of the sacrament, the safer opinion being abandoned, unless the law forbids it, convention or the danger of incurring grave harm. Therefore, one should not make use of probable opinions only in conferring baptism, sacerdotal or episcopal orders.

1152 2. I think that probably a judge can pass judgment according to opinion, even the less probable.

1153 3. In general, when we do something confidently according to probability whether intrinsic or extrinsic, however slight, provided there is no departure from the bounds of probability, we always act prudently. *

1154 4. An infidel who does not believe will be excused of infidelity, since l he is guided by a less probable opinion.

1155 5. Even though one sins mortally, we dare not condemn him who uttered an act of love of God only once in his life.

1156 6. It is probable that the precept of love for God is of itself not of grave obligation even once every five years.

1157 7. Then only is it obligatory when we are bound to be justified, and we have no other way by which we can be justified.

1158 8. Eating and drinking even to satiety for pleasure only, are not sinful, provided this does not stand in the way of health, since any natural appetite can licitly enjoy its own actions.

1159 9. The act of marriage exercised for pleasure only is entirely free of all 1. fault and venial defect.

1160 10. We are not bound to love our neighbor by an internal and formal act

1161 11. We can satisfy the precept of loving neighbor by external acts only.

1162 12. Scarcely will you find among seculars, even among kings, a superfluity for [his] state of life. And so, scarcely anyone is bound to give alms from what is superfluous to [his] state of life.

1163 13. If you act with due moderation, you can without mortal sin be sad about the moral life of someone and rejoice about his natural death, seek it with ineffectual desire and long for it, not indeed from dissatisfaction with the person but because of some temporal emolument.

1164 14. It is licit with an absolute desire to wish for the death of a father, not indeed as an evil to the father, but as a good to him who desires it, for a rich inheritance will surely come his way.

1165 15. It is licit for a son to rejoice over the parricide of his parent perpetrated by himself in drunkenness, because of the great riches that came from it by inheritance

Cathedra · « **Reply #4 on:** July 16, 2013, 10:10:10 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

No, it means it is not a sin to eat until you are full as long as you don't overeat and endanger your health.

What you're saying is different and looks like the normal way of things, not what this is addressing.

Cathedra · « **Reply #5 on:** July 16, 2013, 10:31:44 PM »

Is it speaking about "eating and drinking" as in having a plate of food with alcohol?

Is the "drinking" any drinking, or is it just talking about alcohol?

If drinking for pleasure only is condemned, that would rule out coffee and any soda and things like that, because those are consumed "for pleasure only" i would say, since they don't have any nutritional value and actually they are bad for your health.

shin · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2013, 03:03:47 AM »

Makes me think of the difference between the supernatural life and natural life..

The natural man doesn't say grace before his meals, or give thanks after (i.e. prayerful all through).

The supernatural man, it's in the company of God, sitting at table with the Holy Family.

Sigh.

God help me to make a beginning.

Sigismund · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2013, 09:41:43 PM »

Quote from: Cathedra

Quote from: Sigismund
No, it means it is not a sin to eat until you are full as long as you don't overeat and endanger your health.

What you're saying is different and looks like the normal way of things, not what this is addressing.

It is very possible that I missed the point. It would not be the first time. What is the point, then?