Quote from: Augstine Baker

Conservatives exist because there are people who are decent enough to understand that the unchanging values bequeathed to us by God almighty are to be cherished, and not ignored or disparaged by revolutionaries of all kinds, whatever name they choose for themselves.

In the modern world, "Conservative" = Zionist.

It's time to wake up to reality, Mr. Baker. Heck, my brother isn't even Catholic, he isn't even religious, and yet HE knows the truth about international Jєωry. So what excuse do you, as a traditional Catholic, who knows what Our Lord said about "the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, those who call themselves Jєωs but do lie," for not recognizing the truth about the "conservative" movement?

We're not talking about international Jєωry, we're talking about the definition of a word which you don't seem willing to discuss.

Quote from: lefebvre_fan

In the modern world, "Conservative" = Zionist.

It's time to wake up to reality, Mr. Baker. Heck, my brother isn't even Catholic, he isn't even religious, and yet HE knows the truth about international Jєωry. So what excuse do you, as a traditional Catholic, who knows what Our Lord said about "the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, those who call themselves Jєωs but do lie," for not recognizing the truth about the "conservative" movement?

He knows the truth about it.  But he has his priorities, and having clerics who speak out against those people the way the apostles did doesn't seem to be critical for him.

Excuse you, we don't even have a common definition for conservative and you accuse me of things we haven't even discussed.

Are you a mind reader, or a fortune teller?

Tele:  a conservative is someone who is willing to go along with the evil plots of International Jєωry!

Me:  No it's not.

Tele:  Don't deny it!! You're a conservative and an agent of International Jєωry!

And so it goes.

Then please tell us your definition of "conservative".

To me,

True conservative = traditional Catholic.

Modern (false) conservative = Zionist.

From what you've written (and we can only go by what you've written; we can't read your mind), you seem to be supporting those (+Fellay, Krah, et al.) who fall into the latter category, which would seem to make you the latter definition of a "conservative".

Quote from: lefebvre_fan

Then please tell us your definition of "conservative".

To me,

True conservative = traditional Catholic.

Modern (false) conservative = Zionist.

From what you've written (and we can only go by what you've written; we can't read your mind), you seem to be supporting those (+Fellay, Krah, et al.) who fall into the latter category, which would seem to make you the latter definition of a "conservative".

I already did.  A conservative is a person who cherishes, defends and lives out interminable virtues and goods.

Fair enough. I must have missed that somehow. Very well then, I guess the next question becomes: what is the 'good'? Does the 'good,' in your view, include the control of the Church by the forces of international Jєωry?

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: lefebvre_fan

In the modern world, "Conservative" = Zionist.

It's time to wake up to reality, Mr. Baker. Heck, my brother isn't even Catholic, he isn't even religious, and yet HE knows the truth about international Jєωry. So what excuse do you, as a traditional Catholic, who knows what Our Lord said about "the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, those who call themselves Jєωs but do lie," for not recognizing the truth about the "conservative" movement?

He knows the truth about it.  But he has his priorities, and having clerics who speak out against those people the way the apostles did doesn't seem to be critical for him.

Excuse you, we don't even have a common definition for conservative and you accuse me of things we haven't even discussed.

Are you a mind reader, or a fortune teller?

Conservatives themselves do not have a definition!!! some are conservative in economics, liberal on morals,etc.
John Lofton, a arrogant calvinist, none the less has the creds in his past to deal with this and did a great radio show, I posted link some yrs ago here, on the Failure of Conservatism and How Rush Limbaugh Typifies this Failure........google around, might could find it....repeatedly, Conservative Mouth Piece in Chief Limbaugh failed to define it, though he tried.

With its roots in Protestant/liberalism of the 17th and 18th C, often very anti-Catholic, I never,ever would consider using the "c" word.....my views on any topic are Catholic, however feebly I explain them and know the facts......

oops, found another cherished value, the worship of the.....silence please.....FOUNDERS.(please see my old, long Americanist thread)..........it is a mortal sin to disparage in any way the.....sign of the, well, whatever.....FOUNDERS....

Cherished values, like elevating the USA to a New Jerusalem, god-like status.....

Never mind, almost to a man, they were anti-Catholic in though and in actions

definition of "conservative"

This is Bishop Williamson's definition:

“Conservative” Catholics: who conserve little but their faith in faithless churchmen.

And the most faithless of all churchmen is the Newpope B16.

In contrast to the "conservative" wishy-washy word which means nothing or everything, a traditional Catholic is a Catholic who stands behind the entire tradition of the Church, i.e. who stands behind the entire doctrine of the Church including all the anti-modernistic encyclicals of the pre-Vatican Popes and in particular those of Pius IX (Quanta Cura & Syllabus) and Pius X (Pascendi) which the Archbishop mainly used to fight against the Newpopes' and Newrome's new religion of man.

A traditional Catholic naturally opposes the Newchurch and its (current) Newpope, too, because B16 is an anti-traditional and "subjectivist Pope who has no possible understanding of objective Catholic Tradition" (quotation from Bishop Williamson).

From what you [Augstine] have written (and we can only go by what you've written; we can't read your mind), you seem to be supporting those (+Fellay,

Well, of course Augstine is a Bp Fellay supporter. Just read his articles, he supports the sellout to Newrome and hence the betrayal of the Faith of the Church, and he attacks with bad words us who resist such a betrayal. All the supporters of the modernistic Newpope B16/Ratzinger do support this betrayal because they belong together.


Augstine is just another accordista from the Bp Fellay gang who destroys Archbishop Lefebvre's SSPX and who doesn't belong to this last English-speaking anti-accordista forum but just damages it.
The administrator Matthew said more than once that the Bp Fellay accordistas have no place here because we're experiencing the death struggle of the Archbishop's traditional SSPX and can't always re-start the "good reasons not to sellout to Newrome" discussion.

Belloc said:

cherished values........to conservatives, water under bridge, nothing to see, lets move on now to blaming all problems on Obummer......

Awesome, good to see you back, Belloc! I like how you defeat "conservative" ideas in these pithy, hilarious sound bites.

This pathetic excuse for "conservatism" is nothing but greedy economic liberalism taken to the nth degree. You mentioned the other day that you take some ideas from Democrats. That would be ANATHEMA to many trads, but in reality, Catholics were always Democrats before the abortion issue, because that party is more in line with Catholic social justice ( and here I am not offering an opinion but a fact, read Quadragesimo Anno by Pius XI where he directly criticizes the neo-con attitude of today, with people thinking that the state should never help anyone ).

At least the Democrats pay some lip-service to charity for the poor; because Catholics follow Republicans, you now have the spectacle of Catholics who support the absolute rape of the poor with the rationale that rich people who make six billion times more than their workers create jobs... Never in history before has there been such a ludicrous disparity of wealth.

And they hold onto this idea even when it has been proven that these CEOs are not regulated by anything and farm out the jobs to India and China, and that the entire infrastructure of the nation, and the world, is being eaten away by them. But no, they blame it on welfare... Oh, and these companies aren't bailed out, along with the banks, by the government?! Why is that kind of welfare okay?

Yeah, it's all Protestant, the whole attitude. It's all about "I got mine, forget everybody else." The American dream. I WORKED to get where I am, even if it was just luck or I'm a sellout or a bastard, or the government bailed me out, these other lazy bums should have become Masons too, then they can be like me instead of the losers they are! It's a game of musical chairs, that's all it is. I wonder if these people thank God for whatever money they have, or if they think they are entitled to it. Do they really work harder than medieval peasants who lived in grinding poverty? Something tells me no. Yet oh, how proud they are of their hard work. No matter how hard you work, it is not inevitable that you  should be rich, that is another American fallacy, where is the humility here?

It is unbelievable. How did Catholics get to the point where they are more sympathetic towards someone like Mitt Romney than towards the poor who are being raped and raped and raped every single second of the day, and it's getting worse and worse? Then if Obama throws the poor a bone to keep them from rioting, they flip out. They still think that elbow grease and gumption is going to make everyone employed, when industries are collapsing every day, and the entire housing market is only propped up by various shenanigans. And yet these same people, who voluntarily support a system that is slowly making us all slaves, are terrified to death of prison camps and so on... Here in CA., almost no one can afford a house even with these whopping FHA loans, so it is investors who are buying up properties to rent them out... So that is slowly disappearing from America, being able to own our own homes, and it isn't because of welfare, it's because of unregulated crony capitalism.

The funny/sad thing is that trads think they have to go along with the entire Jєωιѕн and destructive and greedy and raping "conservative" program, just because of the abortion issue, yet they never really do a thing to stop abortion! So they have accepted all these errors, perhaps lost charity, and gotten nothing in return... That is not very clear-sighted.