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Augstine Baker · « **Reply #15 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:45:28 AM »

Conservatives exist because there are people who are decent enough to understand that the unchanging values bequeathed to us by God almighty are to be cherished, and not ignored or disparaged by revolutionaries of all kinds, whatever name they choose for themselves.

Belloc · « **Reply #16 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:47:55 AM »

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Conservatives exist because there are people who are decent enough to understand that the unchanging values bequeathed to us by God almighty are to be cherished, and not ignored or disparaged by revolutionaries of all kinds, whatever name they choose for themselves.

politically and in context of UK/USA, conservatives do NOT hold to unchanging value at all.....Catholics, true ones, do.....how else can we explain the giving in of conservatives to abortion ,gαy "rights",etc-whre they either support or remain increasingly silent.....no true Catholic really should use the "c" word, I do NOT want to be id with Limbaugh,et al......and the useless people like him....

Telesphorus · « **Reply #17 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:49:16 AM »

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Conservatives exist because there are people who are decent enough to understand that the unchanging values bequeathed to us by God almighty are to be cherished, and not ignored or disparaged by revolutionaries of all kinds, whatever name they choose for themselves.

Catholics believe in preserving the Deposit of Faith.

Archbishop Lefebvre told us what to think about the "conservatives" in Rome.

http://gloria.tv/?media=142663

Bishop Fellay says something entirely different, and he hires a Zionist for a top position because his values are totally different.

And his defenders, if they know this, and continue to defend him, prove to have totally different values as well.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #18 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:50:20 AM »

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politically and in context of UK/USA, conservatives do NOT hold to unchanging value at all.....

Amen, and the same thing holds for Bishop Fellay and Marine LePen who changed the position of the Front Nationale on abortion.

These people have ZERO interest in standing on Catholic principle.

Belloc · « **Reply #19 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:52:25 AM »

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politically and in context of UK/USA, conservatives do NOT hold to unchanging value at all.....

Amen, and the same thing holds for Bishop Fellay and Marine LePen who changed the position of the Front Nationale on abortion.

These people have ZERO interest in standing on Catholic principle.

saw that, yes....

Catholics should stick to the big "C" and stop looking toward secular salvation in a man or Party outside.....some things, I am old school Democrat, some things neither.....etc.....

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #20 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:55:30 AM »

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Conservatives exist because there are people who are decent enough to understand that the unchanging values bequeathed to us by God almighty are to be cherished, and not ignored or disparaged by revolutionaries of all kinds, whatever name they choose for themselves.

Catholics believe in preserving the Deposit of Faith.

Archbishop Lefebvre told us what to think about the "conservatives" in Rome.

http://gloria.tv/?media=142663

Bishop Fellay says something entirely different, and he hires a Zionist for a top position because his values are totally different.

And his defenders, if they know this, and continue to defend him, prove to have totally different values as well.

Really, what values has Bishop Fellay violated?

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #21 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:57:05 AM »

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Conservatives exist because there are people who are decent enough to understand that the unchanging values bequeathed to us by God almighty are to be cherished, and not ignored or disparaged by revolutionaries of all kinds, whatever name they choose for themselves.

politically and in context of UK/USA, conservatives do NOT hold to unchanging value at all.....Catholics, true ones, do.....how else can we explain the giving in of conservatives to abortion ,gαy "rights",etc-whre they either support or remain increasingly silent.....no true Catholic really should use the "c" word, I do NOT want to be id with Limbaugh,et al......and the useless people like him....

There are almost as many gradations of "conservative" as there are of sedevacantist. The definition of the term also varies depending on the discussion one is having too, and the person using the term.

If we're going to agree on anything, we might as well agree on the definition of terms before we continue.

I submit that the conservative is naturally someone who believes in preserving the "good" in family, society, politics and most importantly, religion.

Your definition appears to be something else, which I don't think I agree.

But the good is something unchanging, whatever happens with individuals or institutions.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #22 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:58:57 AM »

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Really, what values has Bishop Fellay violated?

Are Jєωs your elder brothers?

Is Vatican II part of the great tradition of the Catholic Church?

Were the errors of the Council really of the Council or of an interpretation of it?

Is it suitable to have a pro-Zionist managing the money and handling the legal affairs of Archbishop Lefebvre's order?

That's just for starters. There's thread after thread about this. Don't pretend ignorance.

I'm really sick of the conciliar bait and switch followed by a "prove it" - "prove" that their double-talk isn't double-talk, and then take them at their word when they switch back and forth as though lying and hypocrisy were the most natural things in the world for them.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #23 on:** August 07, 2012, 10:59:59 AM »

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There are almost as many gradations of conservative as there are of sedevacantist.

He's right about the "conservative movement" - it's constantly shifting leftward.

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #24 on:** August 07, 2012, 11:00:12 AM »

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In reality these neo-conservatives just distract from the heart of the matter which is the subjectivist Pope who has no possible understanding of objective Catholic Tradition and the destruction of the SSPX by putting themselves under obedience to modernist Rome which remains fundamentally anti-Traditional.

Yes I think it is almost a way to desensitize Catholics when the fundamental issues are much more serious. I read US News and World Report as a kid, which is a neocon rag. They'd always have an editorialist (IIRC John Leo) who would trot out shocking stories to keep conservative readers inflamed and entertained. But the simple fact is that US News and World Report was not truly conservative in any respect, but is in fact a Jєωιѕн magazine with Jєωιѕн interests at heart. In fact an editorialist there had the gall to demand that Bishop Williamson be re-excommunicated.

The SSPX with Krah in such a position becomes in fact a pro-ѕуηαgσgυє anti-Christian organization. You cannot have the friend of your enemy managing your money and legal affairs. Unless you've sold out.

Just as you can't claim to really be serving the Archbishop when you say the things Bishop Fellay has said about the errors of the Council not being of the Council, about Vatican II being part of the "great tradition" of the Church.

The Church is going to be wrecked by these "conservatives" - and what they always do is to use the very tactics of the Left - to try to marginalize, insult and ridicule those who point out the truth about who the traitors are.

Agreed with Ethelred and Telesphorus, these sorts of shocking stories are really just a distraction from the fundamental issue facing the Church today, namely, the vice grip of world Jєωry on the visible Church.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #25 on:** August 07, 2012, 11:04:15 AM »

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The Church is going to be wrecked by these "conservatives" - and what they always do is to use the very tactics of the Left - to try to marginalize, insult and ridicule those who point out the truth about who the traitors are.

Agreed with Ethelred and Telesphorus, these sorts of shocking stories are really just a distraction from the fundamental issue facing the Church today, namely, the vice grip of world Jєωry on the visible Church.

Recently Father Rostand is reported to have responded to someone that "Bishop Williamson has changed."

This is arrant knavery, we know who is changing, how Bishop Wiliamson was removed from Winona and how most of the seminarians who were there ended up not being ordained.

We can tell very well what Bishop Fellay has been saying and where's he's headed. We know whose positions have publicly changed. We're not blind cultists.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #26 on:** August 07, 2012, 11:05:00 AM »

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Really, what values has Bishop Fellay violated?

Are Jєωs your elder brothers?

That kind of harmless dipolmatic language was used before the Vatican Council, anyway.

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Is Vatican II part of the great tradition of the Catholic Church?

It is insofar as it confirms the teachings of the Church as they have been believed, always, everywhere and by everyone.

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Were the errors of the Council really of the Council or of an interpretation of it?
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Since the Vatican Council was a merely Pastoral Council, I think it's pretty clear that a frank discussion of these problems is acceptable.
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Is it suitable to have a pro-Zionist managing the money and handling the legal affairs of Archbishop Lefebvre's order?
How do you think it has impacted the Society for him to have done so?

That's just for starters. There's thread after thread about this. Don't pretend ignorance.

I'm not impressed so far, and your assumption that I'm not in earnest is offensive.

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I'm really sick of the conciliar bait and switch followed by a "prove it" - "prove" that their double-talk isn't double-talk, and then take them at their word when they switch back and forth as though lying and hypocrisy were the most natural things in the world for them.

You're too easily scandalized and jump to unwarranted conclusions, I'll admit.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #27 on:** August 07, 2012, 11:05:56 AM »

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There are almost as many gradations of conservative as there are of sedevacantist.

He's right about the "conservative movement" - it's constantly shifting leftward.

We clearly don't agree on the definition of a conservative, so don't continue on as if we did.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #28 on:** August 07, 2012, 11:07:03 AM »

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You're too easily scandalized and jump to unwarranted conclusions, I'll admit.

You're pretty light on ever making a substantive post. You're too busy admiring the Emperor's clothes.

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #29 on:** August 07, 2012, 11:07:09 AM »

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Conservatives exist because there are people who are decent enough to understand that the unchanging values bequeathed to us by God almighty are to be cherished, and not ignored or disparaged by revolutionaries of all kinds, whatever name they choose for themselves.

In the modern world, "Conservative" = Zionist.

It's time to wake up to reality, Mr. Baker. Heck, my brother isn't even Catholic, he isn't even religious, and yet HE knows the truth about international Jєωry. So what excuse do you, as a traditional Catholic, who knows what Our Lord said about "the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, those who call themselves Jєωs but do lie," for not recognizing the truth about the "conservative" movement?