I'm having some doubts over the immaculate conception. Many of the Christian writers disagreed with it, most notably Aquinas. If most of the writers found fault in it, then why is it a feast? why is it a dogma? Also, if Bernadette Soubrious tested the spirit to see if it was from God, and it truly was, and she said she was the immaculate conception and all other writings refute that, then isn't Paul right in his declaration about how God will send a delusion? therefore anti-christ? Therefore, we must leave?

I'm having some doubts over the immaculate conception. Many of the Christian writers disagreed with it, most notably Aquinas. If most of the writers found fault in it, then why is it a feast? why is it a dogma? Also, if Bernadette Soubrious tested the spirit to see if it was from God, and it truly was, and she said she was the immaculate conception and all other writings refute that, then isn't Paul right in his declaration about how God will send a delusion? therefore anti-christ? Therefore, we must leave?

This is a Catholic board.  You post topic after topic questioning Church dogmas.  You need to stop doing that.  Discuss the matter privately with someone.  It's not acceptable to continually be expressing doubts about Catholic teachings on a Catholic board.

I'm having some doubts over the immaculate conception. Many of the Christian writers disagreed with it, most notably Aquinas. If most of the writers found fault in it, then why is it a feast? why is it a dogma? Also, if Bernadette Soubrious tested the spirit to see if it was from God, and it truly was, and she said she was the immaculate conception and all other writings refute that, then isn't Paul right in his declaration about how God will send a delusion? therefore anti-christ? Therefore, we must leave?

First of all - you state "Many of the Christian Writers disagreed with it."

I completely disagree with that Statement.

You need to qualify that statement. I would like to see specifics. Then we can address the rest of your post.

Not trying to be uncharitable, but at what point does someone become a troll?

First, it is not the case that the early Fathers of the Church were anything at all like modern Protestants in their derisive attitude toward the Blessed Virgin. On the contrary, they greatly extolled her purity and virtue as being beyond compare. The only question that remained in their mind before the Church had spoken was whether the Immaculate Virgin was free merely from actual sin or even from original sin itself.

In fact, the early Fathers, apart from their many other praises, almost unanimously called her the New Eve as Christ is called the New Adam. And the dogma of the Immaculate Conception is contained in this, though not all drew that inference immediately. For they agreed that Mary in her purity was preserved inviolate to bear Christ like the Ark of the Covenant and in a state loftier than Eve had been before her fall. But Adam and Eve alone were created without original sin, in the state of sanctifying grace. Therefore, from this it follows that Mary, the New Eve, too was created without original sin.

It should go without saying that attempting to quote St.Thomas against the authority of the Roman Catholic Church is so absurd it cannot hope to stand. Read the quote in my signature, to see how in his humility the Angelic Doctor's attitude towards the Church of Peter should be a model to all who hope to study theology, especially given his universally admitted towering intellect.

Gobosox, if you are sincere, here's a suggestion - it is not through knowing the true doctrine on all possible questions that we seek among a multitude of sects to find the true Church, but through knowing by plain sight and the easiest of means the true Church that all men, learned and simple alike, can know with solid certainty and with no trace of error the true doctrine of Christ.

This is Christ's own means of settling all disputes among those who claim to be His followers. Simply tell it to the Church - and listen to Her voice which forever settles the question (Mat 18:17). For this reason, St.Paul calls the Church, not the Scripture, "the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Tim 3:15).

Instead, ask yourself where and where alone the true Church can be found and with what marks she can be known, since the time of the Apostles. These are Apostolicity and Catholicity.

To the early Christians, there was only one answer. To avoid all possible heresy, go to that Church which alone has and can demonstrate succession from the Apostles in her Bishops from the earliest times, and this all around the world, wherever the Apostles went, and most especially in the Roman Church which, with docuмented historical evidence, from St.Peter through St.Linus, St.Cletus and St.Clement, the first four Bishops of Rome through their successors there in the present day.

She is the one, true Church of Christ, and if impious men like Luther who seems to have influenced you called her AntiChrist, that was only because he was possessed with the same spirit of the Pharisees, who saw God Incarnate and called Him Beelzebul. As He Himself said, the same must necessarily happen of his true Church as well, that misguided men say the same of her. (Mat 10:25)

first I have sent a pm to gobosox91.

I have read his post and was stated that has ocd issues. my suggestion is to keep the answers short and concise as possible.

gobosox91 is imho sincerely seeking answers ocd brains work on a different level and cannot help how they ask nor anwers questions. (although topics are fully understood)

this is a great opportunity to show much grace to this poster.

in Him, Pat

The errors of the heretics really began when they departed from the Church that Christ established.

The heresiarchs of novel sects such as Luther denied the privileges of Our Lady because: 1) he denied the divine origin of the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church --> 2) this lessened the majesty and dignity of Christ, leading to the suppression of His Divine nature, which was carried on more and more explicitly as heresies spread further and further --> 3) with the dignities of the Divine Redeemer and of His Mystical Body, the Church, thus profaned, it was logical that these heretics would deny the dignity of Our Lady and her role in the economy of salvation.

The road to hell begins when individuals arrogate to themselves the prerogatives of the magisterium of the Church of Christ, and sink further and further into gross and still grosser errors.

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Not trying to be uncharitable, but at what point does someone become a troll?

I agree , there are Catholics who from time to time have questions about the faith - but in reading several posts from this particular individual it is becoming apparent that either this person isnt Catholic or if they are , they are beginning to become Protestant or being involved with Protestants because the points being raised are essentially Protestant arguments.

Protestantism is a heresy that could be compared to a pool of water one mile wide but no deeper than four inches at any one location.

Protestantism is also man-centered, even moreso than our degraded to the point of invalid novus ordo mass, and is centered almost exclusively on the entertainment value of the minister preaching and opinion of the person reading something that has been altered and edited from ancient languages, hence the likelihood of coming to a wrong conclusion is highly likely.

Protestants say they love Jesus but when invited into Jesus' house they push aside his Beloved Mother...  How would this endear anyone Our Blessed Saviour?

Did I miss anything?