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Offline Adam

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« on: July 29, 2010, 06:25:23 AM »
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  • My SSPX chapel was flooded and we haven't regrouped properly. The NO parishes around here are deteriorating even more than I thought possible from reports from friends who have begun to walk out of Masses. "Conservative NO Catholics waking up?"
    I do not have access to a Traditional Mass and no even half-way decent NO Masses. (Think tambourines and all-women "Eucharistic Ministers" with completely ad-libbed Masses said by "Progressive priests)
    We have a Traditional Anglican Communion priest and an extremely traditional Anglican parish about 20 minutes from my house that I never knew about. I have corresponded with the TAC priest and he confirmed that he is setting up an Anglican Use parish in the Catholic diocese under "Anglicanorum Coetibus". I have checked them out and they are far more Catholic than the NO Catholics and my only option. They are Anglo-Catholics. I know probably not everyone will agree with my decision but I would at least like to get the thoughts of fellow trads on this. It will be a while before the parish will be set up but once it is they will say Tridentine Masses and Sarum Use.

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    « Reply #1 on: July 29, 2010, 08:41:15 AM »
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  •   I understand. Yes it happens to us here too. Many catholics going to Masses of heretics because no Mass (not even a NO) is available. Just keeping the faith is a great sacrifice in this age, let alone the morality.
      While I by no means support your descision, I want to offer symphaties as someone who has fallen into this hereself.
      heading to catacombs... :cry: :cry: :cry:


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    « Reply #2 on: July 29, 2010, 08:54:32 AM »
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  • My priest said that if you cannot go to a mass, meditating on the mysteries of the rosary would make a good substitute. If it's not in your power to go to one, God cannot blame you for it. But you CAN recite a fifteen decade rosary or something like that.

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accumulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #3 on: July 29, 2010, 02:52:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Adam
    We have a Traditional Anglican Communion priest and an extremely traditional Anglican parish about 20 minutes from my house that I never knew about.


    This means nothing, Adam.  Anglican 'priests' are no more priests than the Laker Girls are priests.

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    I have checked them out and they are far more Catholic than the NO Catholics and my only option. They are Anglo-Catholics.


    They are still infinitely removed from the right path and their orders are still null and void.  Please see Apostolicae curae by Leo XIII.

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    I know probably not everyone will agree with my decision but I would at least like to get the thoughts of fellow trads on this.


    Hopefully NO ONE will agree, as you are making a grave, completely unjustifiable mistake.

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    It will be a while before the parish will be set up but once it is they will say Tridentine Masses and Sarum Use.


    So what?  You might as well start your own chapel, as you would be as legitimate a minister as the Anglican non-priest.

    Look, the external rites of Holy Church are beautiful and holy and necessary, but not in the sense that oxygen is necessary.  Although God uses them to give grace, He does not NEED them in order to do so.

    Hold fast, forget this absurd plan, and trust in God -- not mere ceremonies.
    + Vincit veritas +

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    « Reply #4 on: July 29, 2010, 03:02:48 PM »
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  • We have a very large, flourishing Anglican Use church here.

    http://www.atonementonline.com/index.php

    I know a couple from our Trad chapel who go to Mass there on occassion. So, I watched the video (on the website above) of their Mass (which, I beleive, was written only a few years ago specially for Anglican Use parishes). It is much more like the NO than the Tridentine.

    Yes, their church is absolutely beautiful, their Mass is said in Latin, and their priest seems very conservative. But, I wouldn't go to Mass there any sooner than any other NO.

    If they're really intending to offer a Tridentine Mass there, figure out what priest will be celebrating as there might be a slim chance it would be someone other than the former Anglican.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...


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    « Reply #5 on: July 29, 2010, 04:22:08 PM »
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    So what?  You might as well start your own chapel, as you would be as legitimate a minister as the Anglican non-priest.


    Thank you for your response.
    I'll read the Papal bull.

    But, will these Anglican priests be "re-ordained" once they become "Anglican Use" in the Church? I assume the "Anglican Use" parishes are valid?  

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    « Reply #6 on: July 29, 2010, 04:28:55 PM »
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    So what?  You might as well start your own chapel, as you would be as legitimate a minister as the Anglican non-priest.


    Thank you for your response.
    I'll read the Papal bull.

    But, will these Anglican priests be "re-ordained" once they become "Anglican Use" in the Church? I assume the "Anglican Use" parishes are valid?  



    Anglican orders are invalid.  So there's no "re-ordination."

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    « Reply #7 on: July 29, 2010, 04:37:25 PM »
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    So what?  You might as well start your own chapel, as you would be as legitimate a minister as the Anglican non-priest.


    Thank you for your response.
    I'll read the Papal bull.

    But, will these Anglican priests be "re-ordained" once they become "Anglican Use" in the Church? I assume the "Anglican Use" parishes are valid?  



    Anglican orders are invalid.  So there's no "re-ordination."


    They're converting and starting from scratch in training to become a priest. (Although, I'd guess they probably have a "fast track" option here.) The allowance made for former Anglican ministers is that they can choose this path even if they are already married. Whether or not their NO ordination is valid is matter for an entirely different discussion. : )
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...


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    « Reply #8 on: July 29, 2010, 04:37:52 PM »
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    So what?  You might as well start your own chapel, as you would be as legitimate a minister as the Anglican non-priest.


    Thank you for your response.
    I'll read the Papal bull.

    But, will these Anglican priests be "re-ordained" once they become "Anglican Use" in the Church? I assume the "Anglican Use" parishes are valid?  



    Anglican orders are invalid.  So there's no "re-ordination."


    So all Anglican priests coming in through Anglicanorum Coetibus will be ordained?
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    « Reply #9 on: July 29, 2010, 04:38:33 PM »
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    So what?  You might as well start your own chapel, as you would be as legitimate a minister as the Anglican non-priest.


    Thank you for your response.
    I'll read the Papal bull.

    But, will these Anglican priests be "re-ordained" once they become "Anglican Use" in the Church? I assume the "Anglican Use" parishes are valid?  



    Anglican orders are invalid.  So there's no "re-ordination."


    They're converting and starting from scratch in training to become a priest. (Although, I'd guess they probably have a "fast track" option here.) The allowance made for former Anglican ministers is that they can choose this path even if they are already married. Whether or not their NO ordination is valid is matter for an entirely different discussion. : )



    okay, makes sense.
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    « Reply #10 on: July 29, 2010, 04:43:29 PM »
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  • The Anglican Use is just one more thing getting Catholics familiar to the "everything goes" mentality. These Anglicans want to convert to Catholicism but want to keep the look/feel of Anglicanism. What they need is a true Tridentine Mass, not yet another version of the NO.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...


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    « Reply #11 on: July 30, 2010, 08:39:18 AM »
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    The Anglican Use is just one more thing getting Catholics familiar to the "everything goes" mentality. These Anglicans want to convert to Catholicism but want to keep the look/feel of Anglicanism. What they need is a true Tridentine Mass, not yet another version of the NO.


    These are my feelings as well.  I've had the discussion with a convert through the Episcopal Church about the problems I am having with this whole "Anglican Ordinariate".  I find it all very disturbing.  My first question was in regards to the priests.  Since we know that all Anglican ministers are not priests, that their orders are not valid, what is the process for them?  How will they be ordained?  Will they be allowed to "fast track", as many call it, or will they have to go through the same process as all other seminarians?  Are provisions being made for the married men who want to become priests?  What happens to the congregation of people who are "following" their minister?  It all seems a bit fishy to me.  It seems that, in my uninformed mind, that people should become Catholic converts individually.  That would also include former ministers of any denomination.  I also believe that in the past if a man was already married, he would be excluded from the priesthood, unless there were special circumstances.  I mean if a priest is married to the Church, how can he be married to a living woman?  Wouldn't that be bigamy?  It's not a joke, I really see it that way.  I think this whole thing is just a way to ease the whole Catholic Church into a married priesthood.  Just my thoughts....

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    « Reply #12 on: July 30, 2010, 10:03:52 AM »
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  • Is there any anglo catholic parishes using the
    pre-reformation sarum rites?
    This is the liturgical forms used in England for
    about a 1000 years prior to the introduction
    in 1549, the book of common prayer.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 30, 2010, 07:21:15 PM »
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  • I've decided to head to the Cathedral and see how bad the NO Mass is there and if I can, simply tolerate it. After reading the Papal Bull there is no point in going to an Anglo-Catholic parish. I'll still support the Anglican Use one being created though as it might be a stepping stone in the Bishop allow a Tridentine Rite parish.
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    « Reply #14 on: July 31, 2010, 12:09:46 AM »
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  •   Think about the origin of Angelicans and maybe you will end in avoiding them all together. The adulterous king, Murder of St. Thomas More and so many innocent catholics he sacrificed for his beloved sin.....
      I think we must contemplate on a beheaded Saint whenever we pass doors of Henty VIII's church. Drops of blood trumpled under feet by those who enter.
    (horrible! I am condemning myself too!)

     

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