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Title: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 04, 2018, 04:08:29 PM
What would you do if CathInfo.com started requiring your true Christian and Surname (first and last name) as a new condition for continued membership on the forum?

For purposes of this poll, let's assume that the first and last name you give would be displayed publicly next to each of your posts as an image (not text) so Google couldn't read it. It would be right below your username on each of your posts.

Furthermore, please assume that the HYPOTHETICAL new terms of service would require that you claim that the name you give is your true first and last name. You wouldn't be required to swear an oath, but you would be required to FORMALLY STATE that such is your true first and last name.


Free free to discuss as well. But please don't forget to vote in the poll! 
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: songbird on March 04, 2018, 04:29:07 PM
Refuse.  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: JezusDeKoning on March 04, 2018, 04:32:26 PM
I would be fine with it. 
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: stgobnait on March 04, 2018, 04:38:19 PM
For publication?
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Fanny on March 04, 2018, 04:42:30 PM
There is currently nothing stopping anyone from signing up with first and last name, if they so choose.  The way I see it, requiring such would discourage participation and would push most topics to the anonymous forum.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: compline on March 04, 2018, 04:48:10 PM
Option 3: Comply by providing an alias.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 04, 2018, 04:56:54 PM
For purposes of this poll, let's assume that the first and last name you give would be displayed publicly next to each of your posts as an image (not text) so Google couldn't read it. It would be right below your username on each of your posts.

Furthermore, please assume that the HYPOTHETICAL new terms of service would require that you claim that the name you give is your true first and last name. You wouldn't be required to swear an oath, but you would be required to FORMALLY STATE that such is your true first and last name.

P.S. Great discussion so far, but PLEASE don't forget to vote in the actual poll as well! It's very important.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: jvk on March 04, 2018, 05:02:23 PM
Well, if people wanted to use their real first and last names, what's stopping them from providing them as a user name now?  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 04, 2018, 05:05:32 PM
Option 3: Comply by providing an alias.

Personally, I design my polls very carefully. 

In this case, I gave exactly 2 poll responses for very good reason: If such a change were made, those would be your only choices: comply and allow your "claimed" first and last name to be public next to each of your posts, or be forced to leave CathInfo.

There would be no "third" option. Doing nothing would eventually (in X days or weeks) result in your account being locked. So you'd effectively be choosing the 2nd option.

So please vote in the poll, as it is written.

Again, this is all hypothetical, but that isn't to be confused with academic or a waste of time. I created this poll for a reason.
Title: Re: If CathInfo began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 04, 2018, 05:07:19 PM
Well, if people wanted to use their real first and last names, what's stopping them from providing them as a user name now?  

You are the second person to ask this.

Answer: Nothing is stopping them. However, in the hypothetical situation presented by this poll, CathInfo would begin REQUIRING it as a mandatory condition for membership. Anyone refusing to provide their true first/last name would have their account locked.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: rum on March 04, 2018, 05:14:40 PM
No I wouldn't.

People like Steve Sailer, VoxClamantis and former member Ggreg would flourish on the forum and those with views that could get them fired or put their lives in danger would avoid joining. People only say un-PC things in public if they're false opposition and pro-Jєωιѕн (alt-right, suscipedomine and fisheaters types), nutters who have psychological disorders, or seasoned people of rare learning and education (Faurisson, Bishop Richard Williamson) who have deep-pocketed support networks. A huge reason for why the internet is so incredibly useful as an information exchange is anonymity (or near anonymity).

If people with un-PC views joined then you'd just have a bunch of fake names and maybe 1 or 2 genuine people with un-PC views (probably nutters) would use their real names. So I don't see how it would be worth it.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Cantarella on March 04, 2018, 05:31:49 PM
Refuse and leave CathInfo
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Croix de Fer on March 04, 2018, 05:33:18 PM
I'm simply too elusive to be giving my surname over CathInfo or any public forum.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 04, 2018, 05:38:59 PM
Rum makes a good point, about the controversial and "against the world's grain" nature of CathInfo's discussion matter.

cօռspιʀαcιҽs, the Jєωs, Freemasons, anti-Feminism, anti-Americanism, anti-Federal Reserve...

...the list of non-PC and controversial topics piles up to the moon -- that celestial body which has never been visited by man.  ;)
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: SeanJohnson on March 04, 2018, 06:02:14 PM
Seeing as it is Sunday...

Here are the reasons Bishop Williamson gives for posting in your own name (or not posting at all), beginning at 16:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W43qm_g-jvk&t=1238s

Until this time, I posted as "Seraphim."

The next day, I asked Matthew to attach my real name to all my posts.

As regards some of the reasons given for remaining anonymous (e.g., exposing yourself to harassment; etc), it is admittedly true.

But if you really believe what you are posting is the truth, then it seems to me that that is worth absorbing a bit of artillery for, and the willingness to do so would then be pleasing to God (the only thing that really matters).

There is a price to pay for being a public truth-teller (lost friendships, social alienation, seeing your name dragged through the mud by some of your opponents; etc.), but I should think myself very low if I were to compromise my integrity and not tell the truth for fear of those repercussions (or for fear of those repercussions, fail to attach my name to my own opinions).

Believe it or not, a District official once told me that he respected me for posting in my own name (while objecting to nearly everything I say).

No doubt, he found it convenient for tracking purposes.

But at the same time, all these years later, I have still not been banned from my SSPX chapel (i.e., to be respected by your adversary counts for something), for which I am grateful.

In any case, if Mossad hit squads were going to take me and Matthew out, they sure are taking their time.

Bishop Williamson nailed it: Either put your name to what you say, or don't say it at all.

Our Lord needs men willing to stand up against the rise of the tide.

Without that, not much is possible: God hates a coward.

As an afterthought, it occurs to me that all the writers I most respect attach their names to what they write.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: PG on March 04, 2018, 06:03:31 PM
Matthew - do you, being a computer guy, know of a way to block results of a name search in google from coming up when isolated to cathinfo posts?  It sounds possible.  I went to a job workshop, and one of the things the lady does who hires at this resource center said is go online and look up such and such person applying.  That is not to say that I would not sign up with my name if that was the only cause of concern.  I actually think I would give my first and last name.  And, if you have a nosy boss like that, perhaps you are working at the wrong place anyway. 

Also, what would happen to our past posts where we quite frankly felt free to post w/e the heck we wanted while only considering our CI credibility being at stake?  I feel quite certain that I would post differently with my full name next to every post.  And, I am not afraid of that prospective.  It could really be a good thing.  In spirit I am not far from it already.  PG are my first and last initials.  

A solution to a boss searching the net for you is to put ones full name in small letters in a somewhat conspicuous place next to each post.  Like how about at a bottom corner of sorts.  Or, better yet, the full name could only be revealed to members in the member information section.  That sounds almost full proof.  A boss couldn't get to that, unless they join, which is like 100% unlikely.  And, a boss would actually have to do a lot of digging to get results anyways.  And, unlike facebook, CI would not be demanding a current photo.  I think that the manager internet search wouldn't be that big of a problem.  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: josefamenendez on March 04, 2018, 06:06:55 PM
Even though the zionists on the web know who everybody is with their IP addresses et al, it would be difficult to work, as an application for a job (along with Homeland Security background check) now includes a perfunctory Google search of your name. i would have to opt out.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: PG on March 04, 2018, 06:16:25 PM
One other thing to consider, when you apply for a job, a boss is not allowed to ask about ones religion(unless you are a christian).  And, being that there is no picture there, and surely there are other people with the same name as you, it would be as stretch for an employer to jump to the conclusion that such and such forum poster is the same as the person who works for them.  As long as you do not provide your geographical location, a full name does not sound that bad.  And, if you work at such a public place of employment, how likely are you to be talking about cathinfo subjects, to where your coworkers would know by the subject matter that such and such member is the person who works with you?  For those who have unusual names with unusual spellings, you are not in the advantage.   But, for those whose name is john smith, you have nothing to worry about.  I feel pretty confident in saying I would provide my full name.

Seanjohnson, thanks for that bishop williamson link.  He did a great job of answering.  "Either be a man and do not speak on grave subjects in public, or be a man and when you speak about grave matters in public, stand by it fully with your full name, and especially on the internet."  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: rum on March 04, 2018, 06:23:01 PM
Seeing as it is Sunday...

Here are the reasons Bishop Williamson gives for posting in your own name (or not posting at all), beginning at 16:35

...

Until this time, I posted as "Seraphim."

The next day, I asked Matthew to attach my real name to all my posts.

As regards some of the reasons given for remaining anonymous (e.g., exposing yourself to harassment; etc), it is admittedly true.

But if you really believe what you are posting is the truth, then it seems to me that that is worth absorbing a bit of artillery for, and the willingness to do so would then be pleasing to God (the only thing that really matters).

There is a price to pay for being a public truth-teller (lost friendships, social alienation, seeing your name dragged through the mud by some of your opponents; etc.), but I should think myself very low if I were to compromise my integrity and not tell the truth for fear of those repercussions (or for fear of those repercussions, fail to attach my name to my own opinions).

Believe it or not, a District official once told me that he respected me for posting in my own name (while objecting to nearly everything I say).

No doubt, he found it convenient for tracking purposes.

But at the same time, all these years later, I have still not been banned from my SSPX chapel (i.e., to be respected by your adversary counts for something), for which I am grateful.

In any case, if Mossad hit squads were going to take me and Matthew out, they sure are taking their time.

Bishop Williamson nailed it: Either put your name to what you say, or don't say it at all.

Our Lord needs men willing to stand up against the rise of the tide.

Without that, not much is possible: God hates a coward.

As an afterthought, it occurs to me that all the writers I most respect attach their names to what they write.
I don't know that Sean Johnson is your real name. It would be helpful if you'd care to upload a pic of yourself with something recently dated and a pic of your driver's license.

I've always skimmed over your posts (both as Sean Johnson and as Seraphim) so I can't confirm if you post stuff that might cause you harassment or worse.

If Bishop Williamson is addressing his answer to SSPX laity who fear reprisals from the Menzingen crowd over Catholic issues, then he may have a point. I'm not talking about protection from harassment from SSPX people. I'm not an SSPX member.

If he says that you should knowingly put yourself in harm's way he's wrong about that. He's calling the early Christians cowards, who lived in catacombs. Why do Churchmen have secret meetings behind closed doors? If I picked my brain I could come up with lots of other examples such as these.

Also Williamson is a man of establishment education and has a strong support network. Most Americans are within 3 weeks of homelessness.

Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: rum on March 04, 2018, 06:26:36 PM
Another idea would be to not moderate the anonymous subforum, as was the case when you first started it. Those wanting to post under their real names could have the forum and those of us not wanting to could use the anonymous subforum.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: PG on March 04, 2018, 06:36:12 PM
Rum - +Williamson in the video specifically spoke in favor of actions similar to what the early christians did.  He said either be a man and decline from such discourse(catecombs), meaning do not get sucked into the controversy unwillingly(on the fence).  Or, be a man and meet the controversy "head on", which in this context means do not be anonymous.  

For such an on the spot new question, +Williamsons response was excellent.  
Another idea would be to not moderate the anonymous subforum, as was the case when you first started it. Those wanting to post under their real names could have the forum and those of us not wanting to could use the anonymous subforum.

The anonymous forum somewhat solves these concerns.  At worst, those craving interaction for the sake of interaction still would have the anonymous forum.  That may be good or it may be not be good.  I couldn't say.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: TKGS on March 04, 2018, 06:49:32 PM
I don't know that Sean Johnson is your real name. It would be helpful if you'd care to upload a pic of yourself with something recently dated and a pic of your driver's license.

I've always skimmed over your posts (both as Sean Johnson and as Seraphim) so I can't confirm if you post stuff that might cause you harassment or worse.
We'd also like to see a pdf of your birth certificate, social security card, DD Form 214 (if you served in the armed forces), and your last three income tax returns.  Please include other relevant information such as your mother's maiden name, bank account numbers, and your home address and phone number.

I would no longer be a member of CathInfo.  My name really is TKGS for the purpose of Catholic internet forums and most people I personally know who visit internet forums, know that I am TKGS.  I don't need strangers having my legal name in order to use it for who knows what in this God-hating world.  

Does this question have anything to do with the lawsuit involving a former teacher?
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Ladislaus on March 04, 2018, 07:17:52 PM
I've regularly given my real name out here.  Ladislaus is simply the Latin form of my first name ... Laszlo.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Incredulous on March 04, 2018, 07:26:24 PM
Refuse and leave CathInfo
How about, Refuse, Leave Cathinfo... and Start-up another trad forum?
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Croix de Fer on March 04, 2018, 07:26:28 PM
Bishop Williamson nailed it: Either put your name to what you say, or don't say it at all.

Without that, not much is possible: God hates a coward.

Be ye therefore wise as serpents and simple as doves. ~ Matthew 10:16

Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: PG on March 04, 2018, 08:15:03 PM
My concern is having all of our previous posts accessible by a member search.  And, I do not know if I can make private that function of my profile.  I would provide my full name, so long as the history of our posts cannot be revealed to even members.  I see that as a way to dig for dirt on members of CI.  It would take a lot more/too much work to get dirt on people without access to members past posts on their member page, making it not practical.  So, if that function is removed, then I cannot see any problem with providing my first and last name, despite the fact that I have posted with greater liberty in the past when full name not required.  Perhaps for posts that predate this new full name rule, you leave the posts without first and last name, in case they just so happen to come up in a search.  I think this will affect everyone's behavior, and for the better.  So, with these concerns met, I can say I will provide my first and last name.  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 04, 2018, 08:34:18 PM
I think that would be reasonable (assuming this hypothetical occurred, and for whatever reason I decided to start requiring everyone's first and last name)

You bring up a good point -- past posts were made with the understanding that you were posting with a pseudonym, so it would be downright evil to suddenly place your full name next to THOSE posts.

Also, I don't see any reason (even from the perspective of the Sean Johnsons of the world) to make that full name GOOGLE SEARCHABLE, or in plain text. What would be the point of that, except to give future employers a chance to easily discover, and then have a problem with, some of your political/world views?

There are ways to generate an image out of a piece of text, so computers can't read it but people can. I think I would probably use some kind of tool like that to display the first/last name data, if it ever came to that.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: 2Vermont on March 04, 2018, 08:49:31 PM
I think requiring others to do this on the world wide web where crazies abound is irresponsible at best.  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: MaterDominici on March 04, 2018, 08:51:47 PM
Matthew of all people should know what happens when (crazy) people who disagree with you also happen to have your full name and a tidbit or two to confirm who you are.

He's had someone attempt to get him fired and on the radar of every public official in our area. Fortunately, that person didn't know his last name. So, I can only presume those he contacted wrote him off as nuts.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: 2Vermont on March 04, 2018, 08:53:04 PM
Matthew of all people should know what happens when (crazy) people who disagree with you also happen to have your full name and a tidbit or two to confirm who you are.

He's had someone attempt to get him fired and on the radar of every public official in our area. Fortunately, that person didn't know his last name. So, I can only presume those he contacted wrote him off as nuts.
Then why would he even consider this?  Unless he really isn't considering this and is using this poll to make a point.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: MaterDominici on March 04, 2018, 08:54:19 PM
My answer - I wouldn't "leave" ... I just wouldn't post.


ETA - I'd read whatever was still left of the ghost town.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 04, 2018, 08:56:47 PM
Matthew of all people should know what happens when (crazy) people who disagree with you also happen to have your full name and a tidbit or two to confirm who you are.

He's had someone attempt to get him fired and on the radar of every public official in our area. Fortunately, that person didn't know his last name. So, I can only presume those he contacted wrote him off as nuts.

Yes, there's a reason I disagree with Sean Johnson's position on this matter. I've experienced it first hand.

The crazy man actually did contact my main employer/client, as well as the local chamber of commerce in the nearest town, etc.

By his actions, I can conclude that if it had been within his power, he would have made me completely unemployed, and my entire family homeless. That would have made him happy. That is how much he hated me.

And we're talking about a so-called Traditional Catholic, even if a sedevacantist one. That is one of the most severe cases of obsessive hatred I have ever seen in Trad Catholic circles.
I asked myself: Is this what buying and selling baseball cards does to you?
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 04, 2018, 08:59:53 PM
I don't want to say too much, it might interfere with the results. Just trust me, ok?  

;)
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Fanny on March 04, 2018, 09:05:08 PM
I don't know that Sean Johnson is your real name. It would be helpful if you'd care to upload a pic of yourself with something recently dated and a pic of your driver's license.
Exactly.
How would Matthew know Jane Doe is not my real name?
Or what if I said I am fr. Chazal even if I am not?
The number of hits on cathinfo would decrease.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 04, 2018, 09:06:07 PM
Sean Johnson, a quick question --

Are you self-employed, or not?
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 04, 2018, 09:08:21 PM
Quote
Also, I don't see any reason (even from the perspective of the Sean Johnsons of the world) to make that full name GOOGLE SEARCHABLE, or in plain text. What would be the point of that, except to give future employers a chance to easily discover, and then have a problem with, some of your political/world views? 

There are ways to generate an image out of a piece of text, so computers can't read it but people can. I think I would probably use some kind of tool like that to display the first/last name data, if it ever came to that.
You and the site might be able to make my name unsearchable, but once a debate starts, and people re-type my name 1,000x, everything will be searchable.  I often search for catholic articles on google and this site comes up a lot, because the things we discuss (tradition and history) aren't discussed with accuracy anywhere else.

I see no reason to provide my name.  The main reason I come here is for news, to share news, to keep abreast of politics both church-wise and govt-wise.  I think one should post their name if they are writing something formal - like a blog, a book, a website, etc.  I think of this as an informal place, therefore my name is irrelevant.  Besides, from a debating standpoint, if you knew me in real life, you might disregard my arguments, whereas if i'm unknown, you might be more open to the truth.

I see no way for anyone's name to be unsearchable, even if a login was required everytime and more security was added to this site.  Security and privacy are illusions nowadays.

We live in a police state, let's face it.  We also live in a country where the 1st amendment is under constant "back door" attacks from companies who use "PC culture" to curtail information and stop people from spreading info.  The crackdown of alternative news is just starting on youtube, with many good channels having to stop posting the truth about parkland and any other controversial news story.  Things are only going to get worse.  There's no way I can post on topics of politics, zionism, conspiracy theories, etc without getting fired.  The risk is just too high in our society.  

Maybe I'm paranoid, but the fact that you, Matthew, were already taken to court over a site like this, proves my point that we've lost our true 'freedom of speech' already.  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: 2Vermont on March 04, 2018, 09:29:43 PM
And we're talking about a so-called Traditional Catholic, even if a sedevacantist one. 
Really Matthew?  You had to include that?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Centroamerica on March 04, 2018, 09:32:04 PM
Pretty sure I've posted my full name, pictures of myself and links to my blog and translations bearing my name. Nothing to hide.

That said, giving your full name would put an end to detractions and build the integrity of Cath Info. People would actually be responsible for what they say, which is how it should be anyway.

Imagine on judgement day how all the sins of the damned are revealed to all mankind. And then think of how some wouldn't even sign their name to an online comment. 
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Fanny on March 04, 2018, 09:51:16 PM
Pretty sure I've posted my full name, pictures of myself and links to my blog and translations bearing my name. Nothing to hide.

That said, giving your full name would put an end to detractions and build the integrity of Cath Info. People would actually be responsible for what they say, which is how it should be anyway.

Imagine on judgement day how all the sins of the damned are revealed to all mankind. And then think of how some wouldn't even sign their name to an online comment.
And think of all those who may sign YOUR name to THEIR posts...
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 04, 2018, 10:00:45 PM
CentroAmerica: What detractions? Links please.

You speak as if "detractions" are a given, or commonplace. Not from where I stand.

Detraction is taking away someone's good name by speaking the truth. I would only allow this if the common good required it, or if the matter is extremely public. For example, talking about Bishop Fellay's actions. Perhaps we didn't know about them before. The matter is true. We now have a lower opinion of Bishop Fellay. But that isn't detraction, for several reasons: the matter is public, and Bp. Fellay is an extremely public figure. But furthermore, we have a good justification, because important matters (the SSPX, availability of Mass, the traditional movement, the salvation of souls, the propagation of errors about possible resistance to Vatican II, etc.) are at stake. In other words, the public good requires it. In such a case, speaking up is actually MORE PERFECT than remaining silent about it!

Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: PG on March 04, 2018, 10:26:21 PM
pax vobis - I thought about that, how if people type a persons name in a post, that would then make it show up in a google search.  And, my thought is that we would have to have a pseudonym on top of our real name.  And, real names would not be allowed to be posted, or we would be recommended to use ones pseudonym during discussion as a rule.  Or we could just be encouraged in posts to only use first names, and if last name is used it has a mr. or ms. mrs. addressing them.  It is a tough thing to avoid though.  It makes it a bit complicated.  

Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: St Ignatius on March 04, 2018, 11:01:21 PM
As much as I respect the opinions of +W and Mr Johnson on the subject of anonymity, a friendly reminder to a particular interview in Sweden of +W back in November of 2008. I can't seem to find the interview in it's entirety on YouTube anymore, seems to have been scrubbed... so I'll try to recollect it the best I can. +W was asked about the h0Ɩ0h0αx and the bishop requested that this interview not be made public, because it could mean jail (part of the interview is on YouTube after the bishop makes this comment about possible repercussions.) The interviewer was referring to a conference given in Canada years earlier. To me it seemed that +W was being coerced to validate something he said in another country so that he could be held criminally accountable in Sweden. 

So was +W wrong in his reluctance to own up publicly in Sweden to what he had said in a conference in Canada because of the possible consequences? Or, would it have been better for the bishop to have not commented at all? (Without denial of course)     

Is it wise to, voluntarily, become a political prisoner? Doesn't seem prudent to me...
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: klasG4e on March 04, 2018, 11:28:43 PM
Seeing as it is Sunday...

Here are the reasons Bishop Williamson gives for posting in your own name (or not posting at all), beginning at 16:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W43qm_g-jvk&t=1238s

Until this time, I posted as "Seraphim."

The next day, I asked Matthew to attach my real name to all my posts.

As regards some of the reasons given for remaining anonymous (e.g., exposing yourself to harassment; etc), it is admittedly true.

But if you really believe what you are posting is the truth, then it seems to me that that is worth absorbing a bit of artillery for, and the willingness to do so would then be pleasing to God (the only thing that really matters).

There is a price to pay for being a public truth-teller (lost friendships, social alienation, seeing your name dragged through the mud by some of your opponents; etc.), but I should think myself very low if I were to compromise my integrity and not tell the truth for fear of those repercussions (or for fear of those repercussions, fail to attach my name to my own opinions).

Believe it or not, a District official once told me that he respected me for posting in my own name (while objecting to nearly everything I say).

No doubt, he found it convenient for tracking purposes.

But at the same time, all these years later, I have still not been banned from my SSPX chapel (i.e., to be respected by your adversary counts for something), for which I am grateful.

In any case, if Mossad hit squads were going to take me and Matthew out, they sure are taking their time.

Bishop Williamson nailed it: Either put your name to what you say, or don't say it at all.

Our Lord needs men willing to stand up against the rise of the tide.

Without that, not much is possible: God hates a coward.

As an afterthought, it occurs to me that all the writers I most respect attach their names to what they write.

With all due respect to His Lordship as well as to Sean Johnson, I don't think we are dealing here with a one size fits all issue.  At the same time, I don't mean to imply that either Sean or the Bishop necessarily treat it as such since I simply don't know for sure if they do or not. 

I think with some good reflection on the subject, a properly informed Catholic could discern that for some individuals the posting of their real names would be the right thing to do and depending on what they posted could even be a morally courageous thing to do.  For others to post the very same thing could be an exercise not in candidness let alone moral courage, but rather an exercise in the temporal virtue's extreme of rashness or foolhardiness.

Some of us simply have more to consider than others as stakes on the line were we to post our true names,  and not only our own lives, but the lives of those closest to us.

The history of Christianity is replete with examples of wise and holy individuals who hid their identities so they could carry out their good works while at the same time it is full of wise and holy individuals who acted openly, not disguising themselves.  The former often acted so they could continue the holy battle on Earth while the latter often exposed themselves to persecution, dry and bloody, as a way of trying to imitate Christ.

Even in imitating Christ, however, we are reminded of the fact that he kept His divine identity hidden up to a point only to make it gradually more known as he came closer to the end of His life on Earth.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: PG on March 04, 2018, 11:42:42 PM
So was +W wrong in his reluctance to own up publicly in Sweden to what he had said in a conference in Canada because of the possible consequences? Or, would it have been better for the bishop to have not commented at all? (Without denial of course)    

Is it wise to, voluntarily, become a political prisoner? Doesn't seem prudent to me...
My opinion was that it was a mistake for him to take that interview/answer that question at all.  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Centroamerica on March 04, 2018, 11:46:20 PM
What detractions? Links please.
Yeah man, my bad...I forgot that detractions never ever happen on the Internet or anonymous forums. Zero chance of that happening.
I meant in general...don't be so uppity about the forum, what do you have a bot that sends you emergency alerts when key words like "integrity" pop up? Take it easy.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Maria Regina on March 05, 2018, 12:35:00 AM
If the courts are trying to force everyone to use their real names on the Internet, then this is a sad day.

Already Google, Facebook, and YouTube have censored many by removing posts, videos, and banning people. Already Google and other email services can read all of your emails.

We have lost our freedoms.

The USA, ever since the election of Obama, has become a communist nation with the Military-Industrial-Pharmaceutical-Chemical-Agricultural Complex fully entrenched as the Deep State aka Secret Police.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Maria Regina on March 05, 2018, 12:36:53 AM
I have learned a lot from CathInfo. It would be a sad day if our real names were posted here because of the ever changing laws not only here in the USA but internationally. Certain countries already punish people for believing in the teachings of St. Paul, especially his Epistle to the Romans.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: klasG4e on March 05, 2018, 12:44:47 AM
As much as I respect the opinions of +W and Mr Johnson on the subject of anonymity, a friendly reminder to a particular interview in Sweden of +W back in November of 2008. I can't seem to find the interview in it's entirety on YouTube anymore, seems to have been scrubbed... so I'll try to recollect it the best I can. +W was asked about the h0Ɩ0h0αx and the bishop requested that this interview not be made public, because it could mean jail (part of the interview is on YouTube after the bishop makes this comment about possible repercussions.) The interviewer was referring to a conference given in Canada years earlier. To me it seemed that +W was being coerced to validate something he said in another country so that he could be held criminally accountable in Sweden.

So was +W wrong in his reluctance to own up publicly in Sweden to what he had said in a conference in Canada because of the possible consequences? Or, would it have been better for the bishop to have not commented at all? (Without denial of course)    

Is it wise to, voluntarily, become a political prisoner? Doesn't seem prudent to me...

I and many others are glad that the Bishop said what he said and has had the gumption never to back down from it one iota.  He exposed himself to great ridicule and more, but more importantly he helped to expose a great destructive lie.  His answer was very admirable and if he rendered it in humility which I think he did it may be considered a good battle scar, a particular scar which seemingly very few in this world have the courage to incur.

h0Ɩ0cαųstianity with its sacred six million h0Ɩ0h0αx permeates society like a stench from hell.  The promoters and enablers of the h0Ɩ0h0αx's false paradigm are working harder than ever to have it replace the theology of Calvary.  Jesus Christ the victim is replaced by the "Sacred Six Million."  Calvary is replaced with Auschwitz.  The cross is replaced by the gas chambers.  Those who deny the supposed 6 million h0Ɩ0cαųst are heretics who are tried by the MSM backed up by the high priests of the ADL and SPLC.

Subsequesnt to the Bp. Williamson interview Bp. Tissier de Mallerais was asked twice in the same interview by Der Spiegel what his opinion of the h0Ɩ0cαųst was.  Both times he stated he had no opinion.  I find it very hard to believe that he had then (or has now) no opinion on the h0Ɩ0cαųst.  Nevertheless, I think His Excellency could very well have exercised a morally legitimate use of mental reservation in answering the way he did.

Bishop Fellay, on the other hand, said that Bp. Williamson's views on the h0Ɩ0cαųst were not those of the Society of St. Pius X.  Say what?!  Yes, that is what he said and as far as I know he has never backed down from that statement which at the very least implies that the SSPX has some sort of collective or formal view on that which commonly goes by the name of the h0Ɩ0cαųst.  And in the context of all the flak at the time, the clear implication was that the SSPX' s view of the h0Ɩ0cαųst is that of the "official" Kosher Shoa $$$ Business approved Sacred Six Million Version.  How shameful to give support to this most egregious ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan lie.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Kimchi Ninja on March 05, 2018, 01:23:09 AM
Code Names are more fun!😆
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Stubborn on March 05, 2018, 04:05:18 AM
If my last name was Smith, Williams, Jones, Johnson, Brown etc., I would probably not be so hesitant, but as things are these days, there are simply way too many good reasons to stay anonymous.

I haven't read anything in this thread about the other side of posting with real names - that of compromise. Where one's real name inclines them to wave both flags in order to be avoid any possible retaliation online or in real life so that they may be thought of as being completely "open minded" or luke warm.  

 
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 05, 2018, 07:11:15 AM
If my last name was Smith, Williams, Jones, Johnson, Brown etc., I would probably not be so hesitant, but as things are these days, there are simply way too many good reasons to stay anonymous.

I haven't read anything in this thread about the other side of posting with real names - that of compromise. Where one's real name inclines them to wave both flags in order to be avoid any possible retaliation online or in real life so that they may be thought of as being completely "open minded" or luke warm.  

 
In other words, since speaking openly about our decidedly non-PC opinions would get us in trouble at work if our bosses found out, many members would incline towards cowardice in that regard (take the PC position, take the mainstream position) which would scandalize many members and cause them to ACTUALLY BELIEVE and take the mainstream, worldly, liberal, PC position on many topics.
Good point.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: josefamenendez on March 05, 2018, 07:17:36 AM
I get having the courage of your convictions, I have always believed that as well and have a pro-life, peaceful "rap sheet" to prove it. But I think that we have to pick our battles wisely. Should a father of 10 risk his job for his anti-PC comments on a board like Cath-Info? Also should his opinions not be voiced or self-censored because of his traditional Catholic circuмstances in life? I don't think so. There will be a time (that is coming quickly ) that we will no doubt have to stand up and be willingly exposed for the Truth and suffer the terrible consequences as history has shown us will happen(This time in spades). No need to do it yourself ahead of time unless you need the prep.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 05, 2018, 07:25:47 AM
I get having the courage of your convictions, I have always believed that as well and have a pro-life, peaceful "rap sheet" to prove it. But I think that we have to pick our battles wisely. Should a father of 10 risk his job for his anti-PC comments on a board like Cath-Info? Also should his opinions not be voiced or self-censored because of his traditional Catholic circuмstances in life? I don't think so. There will be a time (that is coming quickly ) that we will no doubt have to stand up and be willingly exposed for the Truth and suffer the terrible consequences as history has shown us will happen(This time in spades). No need to do it yourself ahead of time unless you need the prep.

Well said!

It's simply not worth it, just to discuss online, for a father of a family to lose his job.

On the other hand, I think it's important that the truth be spoken SOMEWHERE and that we have the consolation of others being on our side -- at least on a national forum, if we can't find such 
friends locally. It helps reassure us that we're not crazy, AND it gives us courage to stay the course with our Catholic convictions.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 05, 2018, 07:33:07 AM
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many members would incline towards cowardice in that regard (take the PC position, take the mainstream position) which would scandalize many member
I would not compromise as explained above I would just not comment.  I would become a reader if this forum only and eventually this forum would probably turn into an article posting exercise anyway, with article posted by journalists or other people who are already PC or ‘mainstream’.  

There’s no reason for me, as a matter of Faith, to comment on the many things I do - like +Fellay’s weaknesses, or sedevacantism, or Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, political cօռspιʀαcιҽs, etc.  So I would simply not post.  

The issue of compromise wouldn’t enter the equation.  I don’t have a mandate to defend the Faith on the internet, yet I would In certain situations.  But CathInfo is much more than the Faith - the ancillary topics of politics and social catholic norms are just as important to a catholic - but those are things under attack today and while I would defend them on a personal level, man-to-man, I wouldn’t do so on the internet due to the misunderstandings and interpretations that could take place of my views.  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: TKGS on March 05, 2018, 07:47:59 AM
I would not compromise as explained above I would just not comment.  I would become a reader if this forum only and eventually this forum would probably turn into an article posting exercise anyway, with article posted by journalists or other people who are already PC or ‘mainstream’.  
In other words, CathInfo would become another Angelqueen.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: poche on March 05, 2018, 08:54:49 AM
And think of all those who may sign YOUR name to THEIR posts...
On the day of judgement it wouldn't matter. God sees everything. 
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: poche on March 05, 2018, 08:56:31 AM
If the courts are trying to force everyone to use their real names on the Internet, then this is a sad day.

Already Google, Facebook, and YouTube have censored many by removing posts, videos, and banning people. Already Google and other email services can read all of your emails.

We have lost our freedoms.

The USA, ever since the election of Obama, has become a communist nation with the Military-Industrial-Pharmaceutical-Chemical-Agricultural Complex fully entrenched as the Deep State aka Secret Police.
Don't worry, the NSA knows who you are. 
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: josefamenendez on March 05, 2018, 09:30:35 AM
In other words, CathInfo would become another Angelqueen.
I don't think that would ever happen. Angelqueen is a "traditional " dupe that self -censors ("Bleeps" anyone ?) and has neochurch styled zionists as moderators....AND they also use nom-de-plumes. You can't tell the truth on that forum without having the zios gang up on you.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: LaramieHirsch on March 05, 2018, 10:12:07 AM
My 2016 article: "Blogging Anonymity: It's A Good Thing"



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The totally unanonymous David L. Gray has come out to put down all you mean evil anonymous bloggers out there.  He's telling all you people out there to either come out, or shut up!  His reasoning?  He'll argue "I'm out in the open, I can't get a job because of what I say. I'm a hero. You're anonymous, so you're a coward." 

I couldn't disagree more.  But before I state my reasons, let's read a little more of what he has to tell us:

"You know what it costs me?  To have a blog and a website with my name on it?  A Facebook page with my name on it?  A Youtube channel with my name on it?  A Twitter account with my name on it?  And I'm not really all that radical.  At least not as radical as I was a few years ago.  Right?  But you know what it costs me?  

"It means that when someone doesn't like what I said on my website, or they didn't like a video that I posted on Youtube, they call my pastor.  They call the parish.  They call the rectory.  Talk to a priest.  True story.  That's what it means.  It means that, of all the jobs that I've ever interviewed for, that have in any way been associated with the Catholic Church--in all of them, in either the first interview or the second, or somewhere down the line, early on, in the process of working there (I'm speaking of one job in particular, called The Academy)--it wasn't mentioned in the first interview, but it came up later after one of the other teachers  told the administrator of what I wrote, and I was called into a meeting.

"But in every interview, either my blog or my Youtube channel has come up.  That's what it means to not be anonymous.  It also means I don't get those jobs, either.  In every one of those jobs, in which my blog or my Youtube videos came up in the interview process.  I'm never getting those jobs.  RCIA director, RCIA coordinator, high school theology teacher--hell, if I apply to be a janitor in a Catholic church, I'm assured my blog will come up in the interview.  I mean, if they're dumb enough not to google me before they set up the interview, right? 
How brave.  How fantastic for you.  Clearly, you are at peace with the decisions that you are making, in spite of the various temporal penalties that you are willing to unnecessarily endure."


Pure malarkey, all of it.  Steve Skojec chimes in for the second half of this audio hour, but Gray messed up Skojec's audio portion.  So it's likely we'll never know what, exactly, Skojec had to say.  But I am aware that Skojec was in agreement with Gray.   

We are in a culture war.  And if it's one thing our side is really really great at, it's throwing ourselves on our own swords, taking unnecessary blows, shooting each other in the back of the head.  Team Red is really great at losing, and I'm amazed we haven't been thrown in camps yet, we are so ignorant. 

War, I said.  Culture war. 

I'm not buying anything that David L. Gray has said.  If you feel compelled to rush out there with your bayonet and stab as many of the enemy as you can, wearing no armor whatsoever, you go right ahead.  I'll do my best to snipe the bastards that come at you up until your last gasp. 

In the meantime, since we're in a war, how about we read a professional.  Ever hear of Sun Tzu? 

-The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy’s will to be imposed on him. 
-Hence that general is skillful in attack whose opponent does not know what to defend; and he is skillful in defense whose opponent does not know what to attack.  
-In all fighting, the direct method may be used for joining battle, but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure victory. In battle, there are not more than two methods of attack – the direct and the indirect; yet these two in combination give rise to an endless series of maneuvers. The direct and the indirect lead on to each other in turn. It is like moving in a circle – you never come to an end. Who can exhaust the possibilities of their combination?

Our enemies are numerous, and we are a small force.  If we have some shock troops who wanna go barreling into the fray naked, armed with only a spear, that's fine by me.  It'll unnerve the opposition.  But when you are a small force in war, it is your job to appear as a bigger force than you actually are.  Sort of like how the Mongols would burn many campfires, so that their enemies thought that there were actually more of them than there actually were. 

I defer to what Vox Day has to say on precisely this matter:

"But anonymity is an absolute necessity for every non-combatant who dares to stand in the way of the pinkshirts, which of course is why they are desperate to eliminate it in the belief that everyone will cower obediently before them once they are stripped naked and forced to choose between submission and being unable to make a living. They don't realize that there are millions who will embrace the ISIS model before submitting to them. Their triumphalism is not merely foolish, it is insanely suicidal."

I will let God judge me as to whether or not I've acted heroic in this life.  I am disinterested in winning the acclaim of David L. Gray for being a hero.  This is a war of attrition for both Team Red and Team Blue, and there are many roles for many different types of fighters.  If a handful of us choose to become cannon fodder, then great.  Diversion tactics always help. 

As for the rest of us bloggers, combox denizens, and forum lurkers, we'll be just fine, thank you very much.  We remember how Old Hickory and his Dirty Shirts blew the formations of the Redcoats to living hell in the swamps of New Orleans in 1812.  Andrew Jackson and his men weren't standing there, waiting for their enemy in a neat set of boxed rows, guns pointed and ready.  No.  The Battle of New Orleans was won by a ragtag team of militia men, frontiersmen, slaves, Indians and pirates.

We are at the stage in our cultural decline that such battles are the brand of the day.  Our cultural "leaders" have sold out.  Our priests and bishops are silent.  The laity, the everyman--we are all that is left, now.  And we will not pretend that the Geneva Convention applies to us when it never did for the liberals who attack us. 

Our ideas will stand for themselves.

Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 05, 2018, 10:35:44 AM
Let's also remember the secrets and tactics used by the Christians in the first 3 centuries, while under persecution.  Their goal was to attend mass, receive the sacraments and practice the Faith, not to stand on the street corner (or internet site) and preach to the public.  They practiced the Faith in secret if they had to, this is not shameful.  When the time came, when they had to defend the Faith publicly, they did so, but this was always a matter of Divine Providence and not their will or their plan.  I'm speaking mostly of the laity; the clergy have a duty to preach publicly, moreso than the laity.

We are now under persecution, though indirectly, all signs point to more and more future direct persecution.  The Church has always required prudence in the face of persecution and She has not allowed people to run willy-nilly towards death/martyrdom, but has cautioned our job is to glorify God and fulfill our daily duty and allow Him to decide our martyrdom, if He so wills.  So it is with other areas of life - one is to be prudent and not put oneself in harm's way unless one is obligated to out of duty or obedience, and most of us are not required out of duty of obedience to defend the Faith on the internet...yet.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: LaramieHirsch on March 05, 2018, 10:38:56 AM
The godless Left is trying to disemploy you all, and if they could kill you all, they would.  

This smirking self-righteous attitude of "you're a coward because you're anonymous" is as idiotic as gun control.  Remove anonymity, and this short burst of Catholic and right-wing thinking that we've had for 10+ years will evaporate overnight.  You will be inundated with absolutely nothing but Leftism until the end of your days, with no recourse of networking with anyone online ever again.  

Anti-anonymous glibs are short-sighted and pretentious.  

Myself, I hope it happens.  I hope they get what they want.  I hope all of the stupid people in this country get what they want, so that we can experience two centuries of oppression and genocide.  So that maybe, if there's anyone left on the other side of the nuclear winter of Leftism, they will never never be as stupid as we were ever again.  I'm tired of all of these stupid people.  Let's just go full on Leftism now.  Let's just do it.  This wink and a nod towards stupidity is irritating as hell.  Just pull the trigger, and let's go ahead and have this experiment at the cost of your life and the lives of our kids.  Social engineering to the max.  Fun.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 05, 2018, 10:57:49 AM
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I hope all of the stupid people in this country get what they want, so that we can experience two centuries of oppression and genocide.  So that maybe, if there's anyone left on the other side of the nuclear winter of Leftism, they will never never be as stupid as we were ever again.
I know what you're saying and it can be frustrating but our country (and the whole world) is blinded to evil and philosophical error because of sin.  It's easy to say "let's watch society crash to the ground" but at what cost to the Faith would this cause?  Instead, we must pray that as evil slowly surrounds and closes in, that people, through the suffering and pain caused by their former 'benefactors' will see their errors and convert to God.  Thus our ranks will grow and evil will be defeated.  This has happened all throughout history.  As Our Lady said, She will triumph, but because the pope's consecration will "be late", that evil will spread everywhere.  If all of us Trads made this the BEST lent we can possibly make, then maybe we can speed things up a bit?
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: St Ignatius on March 05, 2018, 10:58:18 AM
My 2016 article: "Blogging Anonymity: It's A Good Thing"
"Our ideas will stand for themselves."


As for me, I might find this the most interesting... the less I know about a person, the more attention I tend to give to what a person might say. Then, judge the ideas accordingly. 
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: graceseeker on March 05, 2018, 11:06:59 AM

:-X

There is enough invasion of privacy in this anti-Catholic world!


8)
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: St Ignatius on March 05, 2018, 11:18:55 AM
I and many others are glad that the Bishop said what he said and has had the gumption never to back down from it one iota.  He exposed himself to great ridicule and more, but more importantly he helped to expose a great destructive lie.  His answer was very admirable and if he rendered it in humility which I think he did it may be considered a good battle scar, a particular scar which seemingly very few in this world have the courage to incur.

h0Ɩ0cαųstianity with its sacred six million h0Ɩ0h0αx permeates society like a stench from hell.  The promoters and enablers of the h0Ɩ0h0αx's false paradigm are working harder than ever to have it replace the theology of Calvary.  Jesus Christ the victim is replaced by the "Sacred Six Million."  Calvary is replaced with Auschwitz.  The cross is replaced by the gas chambers.  Those who deny the supposed 6 million h0Ɩ0cαųst are heretics who are tried by the MSM backed up by the high priests of the ADL and SPLC.

Subsequesnt to the Bp. Williamson interview Bp. Tissier de Mallerais was asked twice in the same interview by Der Spiegel what his opinion of the h0Ɩ0cαųst was.  Both times he stated he had no opinion.  I find it very hard to believe that he had then (or has now) no opinion on the h0Ɩ0cαųst.  Nevertheless, I think His Excellency could very well have exercised a morally legitimate use of mental reservation in answering the way he did.

Bishop Fellay, on the other hand, said that Bp. Williamson's views on the h0Ɩ0cαųst were not those of the Society of St. Pius X.  Say what?!  Yes, that is what he said and as far as I know he has never backed down from that statement which at the very least implies that the SSPX has some sort of collective or formal view on that which commonly goes by the name of the h0Ɩ0cαųst.  And in the context of all the flak at the time, the clear implication was that the SSPX' s view of the h0Ɩ0cαųst is that of the "official" Kosher Shoa $$$ Business approved Sacred Six Million Version.  How shameful to give support to this most egregious ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan lie.
I agree with you.

But, my intention was not to necessarily bring the content of the interview into question, but rather, the conditions set forth by +W, that is, this particular part of the interview would NOT be published. +W was keenly aware that on the soil of this decadent Nation, it was "against the law" to "deny" the h0Ɩ0h0αx. I believe that +W, to some degree, believed it to be unwise to be put publicly "on the record."

Surely the bishop knew that these dishonest rats conducting this interview, couldn't be trusted. But he chose to answer the question anyway... practicing the essence of one of his numerous quotes, "Let the chips fall where they may."

Hoping not to derail this thread, I'd like to make a couple of points...

I think this interview exposed something far more sinister, that is, the treachery taking place in Menzingan. Remember the Krah-Gate files? (Which disappeared mysteriously into the ether, never to be seen again.) There was sufficient evidence to support the idea that Menzingan was key in staging this interview, for the purpose of having +W  "fall from grace," and to the eventual ousting of the bishop from the Fraternity. It was this whole debacle that was a severe warning sign of where things were going with the SSPX, 2012 was just the "nail in the coffin" for me.

Another point on anominity, I just finished revisiting one of the greatest books penned in the 20th century, The Plot Against the Church. The authors were hidden behind the pseudonym, Maurice Pinay. I believe the authors consisted of 12 cardinals. (A MUST read for all Catholics and non-Catholics alike)
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: happenby on March 05, 2018, 11:52:18 AM
Seems counter intuitive to the forum itself to ask full exposure of participants.  Who doesn't talk one way with a like-minded person and another way to an opponent?  Do we always tell family members what we say to friends?  While there are problems with anonymity, it seems to keep the 'politics of persons' down to a dull roar.  Hostilities aside, keeping topics apart from what might be extra baggage by association, anonymity allows individuals freedom to express themselves.  On forums like this, it almost doesn't matter who is saying what, but what the idea is that matters. Going with objective over subjective, I would hunt for another forum like this.  Having said that, I would not mind trying a sister site that included true identity of persons.  Might be interesting.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: happenby on March 05, 2018, 12:01:01 PM
I agree with you.

But, my intention was not to necessarily bring the content of the interview into question, but rather, the conditions set forth by +W, that is, this particular part of the interview would NOT be published. +W was keenly aware that on the soil of this decadent Nation, it was "against the law" to "deny" the h0Ɩ0h0αx. I believe that +W, to some degree, believed it to be unwise to be put publicly "on the record."

Surely the bishop knew that these dishonest rats conducting this interview, couldn't be trusted. But he chose to answer the question anyway... practicing the essence of one of his numerous quotes, "Let the chips fall where they may."

Hoping not to derail this thread, I'd like to make a couple of points...

I think this interview exposed something far more sinister, that is, the treachery taking place in Menzingan. Remember the Krah-Gate files? (Which disappeared mysteriously into the ether, never to be seen again.) There was sufficient evidence to support the idea that Menzingan was key in staging this interview, for the purpose of having +W  "fall from grace," and to the eventual ousting of the bishop from the Fraternity. It was this whole debacle that was a severe warning sign of where things were going with the SSPX, 2012 was just the "nail in the coffin" for me.

Another point on anominity, I just finished revisiting one of the greatest books penned in the 20th century, The Plot Against the Church. The authors were hidden behind the pseudonym, Maurice Pinay. I believe the authors consisted of 12 cardinals. (A MUST read for all Catholics and non-Catholics alike)
The Plot Against the Church is definitely a must read.  It's a fair sized tome and gets a little repetitive, but it's eye-opening on many levels.  I have no doubt the book would have otherwise been buried under pseudo-scandals linked to the authoring bishops, so anonymity was a necessity.  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: St Ignatius on March 05, 2018, 12:11:23 PM
The Plot Against the Church is definitely a must read.  It's a fair sized tome and gets a little repetitive, but it's eye-opening on many levels.  I have no doubt the book would have otherwise been buried under pseudo-scandals linked to the authoring bishops, so anonymity was a necessity.  
It was compiled under a restraint of time which didn't allow for necessary editing, it was compiled so that it could be distributed amongst all the cardinals at VII... unfortunately, as we can see today, the cardinals paid no heed to the books dire warnings.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: klasG4e on March 05, 2018, 12:44:43 PM


 I just finished revisiting one of the greatest books penned in the 20th century, The Plot Against the Church.

Thanks much St. Ignatius for mentioning this book, The Plot Against the Church.  I could not agree with you more in your assessment of same.  Truly, it IS one of the greatest books penned in the 20th Century and perhaps one of the greatest books penned in the history of mankind!  It is an absolute eye opener on many levels.  (Most unfortunately, many of the prelates for whom it was chiefly intended for at the time it came out either did not have eyes to see or who although had eyes to see did not have the moral courage to act upon what they saw.)

One of my favorite chapters was the one dealing with how the great Pope St. Pius V dealt with the Jєωιѕн problem.  His sainthood was founded on heroic charity and one of the ways in which that heroic charity manifested itself was in the concrete measures he took in dealing with the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan of his time.  Those measures would be deemed extremely uncharitable, if not impossible to carry out, in our upside down world of today where so often evil is called good and good is called evil.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: happenby on March 05, 2018, 01:08:25 PM
It was compiled under a restraint of time which didn't allow for necessary editing, it was compiled so that it could be distributed amongst all the cardinals at VII... unfortunately, as we can see today, the cardinals paid no heed to the books dire warnings.
Indeed, a shame.  Another problem is that the book can be quite expensive on the secondary market.  I saw one on Amazon for $100.  I think its available online to read, though some might find that inconvenient.  The book is a shocking account of Catholic history because "Maurice Pinay" pinpoints the Church's enemies and their offenses against Her, revealing Our Lord's enemies are the same as they always were, and still intend to crucify Christ in His people.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Meg on March 05, 2018, 01:34:52 PM

Regarding the poll. At first I thought I would never want to give my real name, but after considering it for awhile, I think that maybe I would be willing to give my real name, given that we might watch what we say if we have to give our real name. But I probably wouldn't give it happily.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: klasG4e on March 05, 2018, 01:50:18 PM
Indeed, a shame.  Another problem is that the book can be quite expensive on the secondary market.  I saw one on Amazon for $100.  I think its available online to read, though some might find that inconvenient.  The book is a shocking account of Catholic history because "Maurice Pinay" pinpoints the Church's enemies and their offenses against Her, revealing Our Lord's enemies are the same as they always were, and still intend to crucify Christ in His people.

The book is listed at just $22.95 at one of the greatest Resistance websites going: http://ca-rc.com/books/the-plot-against-the-church (http://ca-rc.com/books/the-plot-against-the-church)
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: downunder on March 05, 2018, 01:53:51 PM
I vote for a third option. "Continue anyway". I mean, it's just a forum. I can't take it too seriously. Ticking a few boxes is nothing.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 05, 2018, 02:14:01 PM
I vote for a third option. "Continue anyway". I mean, it's just a forum. I can't take it too seriously. Ticking a few boxes is nothing.
There is no third option. For purposes of this poll, if you don't give your first & last name (that is, WITH or WITHOUT lying) then your account would be effectively disabled, and you would effectively be choosing to leave the forum (or read it only, which is close enough).
Please choose the CLOSEST option to what you would do.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: happenby on March 05, 2018, 02:24:56 PM

The book is listed at just $22.95 at one of the greatest Resistance websites going: http://ca-rc.com/books/the-plot-against-the-church (http://ca-rc.com/books/the-plot-against-the-church)

Awesome!
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 05, 2018, 03:14:41 PM
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For purposes of this poll, if you don't give your first & last name (that is, WITH or WITHOUT lying) then your account would be effectively disabled, and you would effectively be choosing to leave the forum (or read it only, which is close enough).
Hypothetically, if you made this change to force use of names, would you still allow the site to be viewed 'publically' (i.e. by those who have no account)?  I don't know if there's a way to "lock out" those who don't have an account, but that would at least be some way to keep a small sliver of privacy. 
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 05, 2018, 03:26:29 PM
Here's another can of worms to open up:  Who would be open to an annual fee to join this site?  Like $25 or $50?  This would help Matthew defray a tiny amount of his costs.  I definitely think this site is worth it. 

However, it might change the nature of the site, considering (in my few years of experience on here) we occasionally get some people who start an account specificially to post rumors and stories which are important, and related to a Resistance topic or some secret sspx news that the poster obviously feels the need to be anonymous.  This could be rectified if there was a way for Matthew to receive anonymous emails so that he could pass along the information.  But then, any follow-up questions would not be able to be asked of this 'source' since they wouldn't have access to the thread (assuming the site is made private and you have to have an account to read posts).  I'm not sure how that would work.  Just brain-storming...
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Maria Regina on March 05, 2018, 03:31:25 PM
Hypothetically, if you made this change to force use of names, would you still allow the site to be viewed 'publically' (i.e. by those who have no account)?  I don't know if there's a way to "lock out" those who don't have an account, but that would at least be some way to keep a small sliver of privacy.
All search robots especially those from Google would have to be denied access.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: PG on March 05, 2018, 05:09:30 PM
It was compiled under a restraint of time which didn't allow for necessary editing, it was compiled so that it could be distributed amongst all the cardinals at VII... unfortunately, as we can see today, the cardinals paid no heed to the books dire warnings.
+Williamson said that happens.  Nobody regards anonymous information sources.  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: songbird on March 05, 2018, 06:54:14 PM
Well, let's give ourselves away and give $$$.  Hm?  Sounds like a perfect Storm to me.  In the movie, no one survives.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Croix de Fer on March 05, 2018, 07:33:54 PM
Let us remember, The Plot Against The Church was written by priest(s) using the pseudonym "Maurice Pinay".

https://archive.org/details/ThePlotAgainstTheChurch_192
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: downunder on March 06, 2018, 03:53:33 AM
There is no third option. For purposes of this poll, if you don't give your first & last name (that is, WITH or WITHOUT lying) then your account would be effectively disabled, and you would effectively be choosing to leave the forum (or read it only, which is close enough).
Please choose the CLOSEST option to what you would do.

Well then you would have a very lonely forum with you and Sean Johnson and a few others talking to each other, and people will go elsewhere. If you want to maintain the popularity of Cathinfo, which I know you do, then stick to what you are doing.


If it ain't broke....
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: klasG4e on March 06, 2018, 04:44:11 AM
This may come across as a bit of an unusual answer, but I defer to Matthew entirely.  What I mean by this Matthew is that my vote is for whatever you would consider preferable or to be hoped for.  I don't know what that may be, but whatever it is I wish to go with it.  Why?  I feel completely undetached in terms of a personal preference in the mater.  Therefore, whatever you prefer (if you, yourself have a preference) then please consider my choice in total conformity with yours.  If you don't have any particular choice then join the club.  I don't either!
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on March 06, 2018, 04:56:56 AM
I don't know.  

I would rather be real and true about who I am with my real name and picture.  

However, I am really concerned about the safety of my family and me.  I have been threatened on Facebook by scary people including Facebook itself.  Recently, weird things happening with my cell phone. There is some real evil online especially from certain organisations and individuals who call themselves "Catholics".  

I don't want to leave Cathinfo.  
But for security reasons I might have to ( hypothetically).  

Yes.  Maurice Pinay.  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Smedley Butler on March 06, 2018, 10:32:38 AM
Seeing as it is Sunday...

Here are the reasons Bishop Williamson gives for posting in your own name (or not posting at all), 
This is bad advice.
Real men have jobs, livelihood, and families to protect.
You can be fired from your job with no recourse for posting anti-semitic things on a Catholic board under your real name.
Wait, that really happened- to +Williamson!
No, I do not agree with his advice as he himself demonstrated the potential consequences.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Smedley Butler on March 06, 2018, 10:47:24 AM
As much as I respect the opinions of +W and Mr Johnson on the subject of anonymity, a friendly reminder to a particular interview in Sweden of +W back in November of 2008. I can't seem to find the interview in it's entirety on YouTube anymore, seems to have been scrubbed... so I'll try to recollect it the best I can. +W was asked about the h0Ɩ0h0αx and the bishop requested that this interview not be made public, because it could mean jail (part of the interview is on YouTube after the bishop makes this comment about possible repercussions.) The interviewer was referring to a conference given in Canada years earlier. To me it seemed that +W was being coerced to validate something he said in another country so that he could be held criminally accountable in Sweden.

So was +W wrong in his reluctance to own up publicly in Sweden to what he had said in a conference in Canada because of the possible consequences? Or, would it have been better for the bishop to have not commented at all? (Without denial of course)    

Is it wise to, voluntarily, become a political prisoner? Doesn't seem prudent to me...
Precisely. 
Men must be prudent and protect their families. 
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: aryzia on March 06, 2018, 11:49:58 AM
I wonder how many would show up to the first ever Cathinfo Gala? There would probably be as many guest speakers as guests because all the guests would try to speak.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Stubborn on March 06, 2018, 01:56:04 PM
I wonder how many would show up to the first ever Cathinfo Gala? There would probably be as many guest speakers as guests because all the guests would try to speak.
Ha ha ha!
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 06, 2018, 02:19:03 PM
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I wonder how many would show up to the first ever Cathinfo Gala? There would probably be as many guest speakers as guests because all the guests would try to speak.
? I don't get it.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Meg on March 06, 2018, 02:20:43 PM
? I don't get it.

I didn't get it either. Can someone explain it?
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Smedley Butler on March 06, 2018, 02:58:20 PM
I wonder how many would show up to the first ever Cathinfo Gala? There would probably be as many guest speakers as guests because all the guests would try to speak.
I got it.
That was funny.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Nadir on March 06, 2018, 03:45:52 PM
I wonder how many would show up to the first ever Cathinfo Gala? There would probably be as many guest speakers as guests because all the guests would try to speak.
I don't know about that. I think there'd be a few sitting around reading.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Jovita on March 06, 2018, 06:42:10 PM
I voted that I would leave. Our family was the target of stalker years ago. With the assistance of the district DA we vanished out of state. Given the psychopathy of a stalker, one must never let their guard down. Never.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Centroamerica on March 06, 2018, 10:26:16 PM

Here's an idea.

Change things up and put real incentives in place for people to use their real names.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 06, 2018, 10:27:41 PM
Yeah, REAL incentives like lawsuites and new jobs.  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Centroamerica on March 06, 2018, 10:38:28 PM
Yeah, REAL incentives like lawsuites and new jobs.  
Well, I just meant like some sort of VIP status. Extra access. Maybe double thumbs down. The ability to down thumb the moderator, perhaps.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Maria Regina on March 06, 2018, 10:54:56 PM
Matthew,

Is CathInfo now under attack as are many of the alternate media like Natural News and Info Wars?

Is this another conspiracy by the Deep State secret police agencies, Google, Yahoo, the Illuminati, the MSM (Mainstream "Fake" Media), and other ungodly secret societies to silence us?

If so, and if we are forced to reveal our true identities by the Courts, could we have the option to register anew so that our previous posts are no longer linked with our new identities?

Could the board then offer private forums for sensitive matters like social-political issues, church matters, and conspiracy theories, which do not allow the CIA, M16, Israeli intelligence, the NSA, FBI, Google, Yahoo, or any of the modern search engines to troll CathInfo's private forums.

If these secret police entities will still have full access to CathInfo, then kindly let us know.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 07, 2018, 06:20:48 AM

Quote
Well, I just meant like some sort of VIP status. Extra access. Maybe double thumbs down. The ability to down thumb the moderator, perhaps.
Sorry I was just joking.  The above is an interesting idea.  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: downunder on March 07, 2018, 10:41:30 AM
I would like the admin to answer one question.

At any point along the way before starting this thread, did he talk to Sean Johnson about this issue?
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: MMagdala on March 07, 2018, 12:43:23 PM
There are many reasons people have for preferring anonymity on the World-Wide Web -- some of which have to do with protecting Catholic Tradition itself.  
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Mr G on March 07, 2018, 01:22:29 PM
If names are used, it should only be used for commenting; but there should be an anonymous "tip line" so people can safely report news and other inside information.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Nadir on March 07, 2018, 03:09:06 PM
If names are used, it should only be used for commenting; but there should be an anonymous "tip line" so people can safely report news and other inside information.
OH NO! Not more anonymous!
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Neil Obstat on March 07, 2018, 03:55:32 PM
OH NO! Not more anonymous!
Don't worry even anonymous tip line calls can be traced.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Neil Obstat on March 07, 2018, 04:02:57 PM
I know what you're saying and it can be frustrating but our country (and the whole world) is blinded to evil and philosophical error because of sin.  It's easy to say "let's watch society crash to the ground" but at what cost to the Faith would this cause?  Instead, we must pray that as evil slowly surrounds and closes in, that people, through the suffering and pain caused by their former 'benefactors' will see their errors and convert to God.  Thus our ranks will grow and evil will be defeated.  This has happened all throughout history.  As Our Lady said, She will triumph, but because the pope's consecration will "be late", that evil will spread everywhere.  If all of us Trads made this the BEST lent we can possibly make, then maybe we can speed things up a bit?
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Good post, PaxVobis
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Neil Obstat on March 07, 2018, 04:17:55 PM
I voted that I would leave. Our family was the target of stalker years ago. With the assistance of the district DA we vanished out of state. Given the psychopathy of a stalker, one must never let their guard down. Never.
.
Members have all manner of personal reasons to safeguard their identity. We ought to be less eager to provide specific details, Jovita. 
Just sayin'
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Nadir on March 07, 2018, 04:19:59 PM
Don't worry even anonymous tip line calls can be traced.
I didn't have in mind the worry of being traced but of having to put up with more anonymous postings. There's already far too many unnecessarily anonymous postings.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 08, 2018, 07:11:46 AM
This thread has introduced many good points into the debate.

Here's another one:

CathInfo is more like a courtroom, where every word is recorded into the public record. CathInfo's audience transcends both space and time! There are no physical boundaries to where your words will reach, and they will be accessible as long as CathInfo exists online. And to add insult to injury, you have the world's most accessible searching method ("Google") helping you to sift through that mountain of information, so you can find whatever you're looking for.

site:cathinfo.com happenby flat earth
site:cathinfo.com Sean Johnson freemasons

I once thought that being anonymous on CathInfo was like coming in to the Coffee & Donuts Hall wearing a ski mask, or a full body burqa, to conceal your identity. In such a case, everyone would be thinking, "What do you have to hide?" For example, when going to the bank, you only wear a ski mask if you're about to rob the place.

HOWEVER

CathInfo is not exactly a coffee & donuts hall at your chapel. If you spoke out loud to everyone in your chapel's Hall after Mass (lambasting Bishop Fellay, promoting the Resistance, talking about the Jєωιѕн conspiracy or the Freemasons) everyone would know who you are and what you said.

But assuming no one was recording video or audio at the time, your words and actions would not leave that room. After you leave the Hall, your words and actions would only exist in the memories of the 150 people in the church Hall. Your employer would not be able to do a quick Google search and find out your opinions about the Jєωs, or that you're involved with the "Resistance", nor could anyone Google search and read those same words 1 year later. On an Internet forum, everything is permanent, and indexed (searchable by keyword) on search engines forever. Big difference!

So even if it were not legitimate to mask one's physical identity in person at a gathering, and even if it were cowardly to not let everyone know what you believe at your coffee & donuts hall, it would STILL NOT FOLLOW that the same things are true on CathInfo as well.

Because CathInfo is NOT a coffee and donuts hall. It is LIKE one, but it's a whole different animal, being accessible worldwide and forever. Just the fact that everything you "say" is recorded and published -- think about it!
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 08, 2018, 08:10:03 AM
If cathinfo offered coffee and donuts, i'd give my name and you could even microchip me.  ;)
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Matthew on March 08, 2018, 08:34:32 AM
Sean Johnson had absolutely nothing to do with this poll, my motivation for this poll, nor did I speak with him on the topic of anonymity, pseudonymity, or any related topic before I created this poll.

Those sample Google searches (above) were purely chosen at random.

I had to think of some person's name -- and when I think "CathInfo member that uses his full name" the first name that pops into my head is Sean Johnson. Plus he's been active on this thread, so he's fair game.

The other one I had more choices on. I happened to pick "Flat Earth" as a good politically incorrect topic. And then I just happened to pick "happenby" out of the 4 to 5 serious Flat Earth proponents in that subforum.
Title: It's Worse/Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names
Post by: AlligatorDicax on March 08, 2018, 12:38:53 PM

CathInfo is more like a courtroom, where every word is recorded into the public record. CathInfo's audience transcends both space and time!  There are no physical boundaries to where your words will reach, and they will be accessible as long as CathInfo exists online.  And to add insult to injury, you have the world's most accessible searching method ("Google") helping you to sift through that mountain of information, so you can find whatever you're looking for.
[....]
On an Internet forum, everything is permanent, and indexed (searchable by keyword) on search engines forever.

The longevity of access to text written by CathInfo members is potentially even more troublesome than you describe:
•  Text written by CathInfo members can easily survive CathInfo itself: All that's needed is for an Internet site to agree to archive CathInfo, whether upon receiving a qualifying number of innocent requests, or by accepting an offer that can't be refused from some government agency of spooky persuasions.
•  There might be some CathInfo memebers who don't already know that all searches on Google provide the searcher's I.P. Address and complete search-query, plus any-&-all Web addresses (when, oh when, can I start writing just "URL" on CathInfo?) snagged, to Google.  At most benign, this allows Google to refine the relevance of results of its searches, in combination with the next bulleted item.
•  Any Google searches whose Web-surfer clicks thro' to a Web page that it snagged, provide the searcher's I.P. Address, search-query, and the URLs of any-&-all pages clicked-thro',  to Google--and to whatever, um, spooky clients it might have.
•  Any loading of Web pages that use Google Fonts [†], whether from a Google search-result, or a link on some nonGoogle page, or a URL typed in from dictation, provides the loading user's I.P. Address and the URL of whatever page is actually loaded, to Google and its clients.

What relief CathInfo members still have from the privacy-elimination goals of Google and its clients is provided by technical limitations for its implementation:
•  Google's ability to infer semantics (more-or-less the same as deducing meaning) is largely nonexistent.  Context might allow it the information needed to distinguish, e.g., searches about "apple" the fruit from "apple" the technology corporation, or recognize "Ford Administration" as referring to a U.S. presidency, not to the organizational structure of the automotive corporation.
•  Google seems thus far unable to infer what I (in technical disagreement with Matthew) believe are most properly called keywords, i.e., words that do not necessarily occur anywhere in text, that are standardized categorizations [‡] of its content.  Most relevantly to C.I., Google can't infer keywords like SPLC's hostile rhetorical "radical",  "extremist",  or "antiSemitic" [×], nor the Islamophile favorite "Zionism",  from any text about, e.g., evidence of subversive influences of тαℓмυdic Judaism on SSPX, if the text doesn't contain any of the aforementioned keywords.  In the past, such categorization required review of the text by a live human.  At present, the live human would be limited to publicizing the reviewed URL and smearing it as "offensive" on a Web page under his own control, or complaining to the Web-page host (or more recently, to Domain-name hosts) for the offending page.
But!  Don't count on that technical limitation lasting forever.  Now that Google can more-or-less accurately translate text from one natural language to another, much of the challenge involved in inferring semantics has already been accomplished.  I have no doubt that being able to automatically infer keywords accurately has been the topic of Ph.D. theses and research organization projects since at least the early days of Google.  I also have no doubt that such research nowadays is funded not only by Google, but also by government agencies of spooky persuasions.

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Note †: Revealed by keeping an eye on one's browser status bar as the page loads.  It appears in messages in more-or-less this form (actual URLs probably somewhat different from these): "Waiting for fonts.googleapis.com" or "Loading fonts.google.com".

Note ‡: Proper keywords being, e.g., words or phrases from the Library of Congress subject-index, or the corresponding standardized technical list of keywords for the periodical Computing Reviews (Assoc. of Computing Machinery--which has nothing in common with SPLC or ADL).

Note ×: See, e.g., my recent "SPLC?/Re: What is it about cathinfo? blocked in libraries".  Reply #8 (Feb. 24, 2018, 13:07:42): <https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/what-is-it-about-cathinfo-blocked-in-libraries/msg596533/#msg596533 (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/what-is-it-about-cathinfo-blocked-in-libraries/msg596533/#msg596533)>.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: rum on March 08, 2018, 06:14:00 PM
Rum makes a good point, about the controversial and "against the world's grain" nature of CathInfo's discussion matter.

cօռspιʀαcιҽs, the Jєωs, Freemasons, anti-Feminism, anti-Americanism, anti-Federal Reserve...

...the list of non-PC and controversial topics piles up to the moon -- that celestial body which has never been visited by man.  ;)
Actually it's only the Jєω-related stuff that's dangerous. Race is a little dangerous, though less so if you're pro-Jєωιѕн, since you'll be protected by Jєωs. The Freemason, anti-feminism, anti-americanism, anti-Federal Reserve, flat earth, moon landing stuff isn't dangerous at all.

People will just think you're a harmless nutball with the flat earth and moon landing stuff.


I find it hard to believe you think the moon landing was faked. As Apollo astronaut Charlie Duke said, "Why would we fake it nine times, if we faked it?"
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Croix de Fer on March 08, 2018, 06:27:05 PM
(http://www.trueorthodox.com/pictures/defendhatespeech.jpg)


IN A TINY WORLD OF JєωS, a very BIG political issue comes to the fore, that is, the assault on America’s First Amendment, namely free speech.

The chief culprit is the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) which represents American Jєωry in its quest to kill our freedoms beginning (https://www.adl.org/what-we-do/combat-hate/hate-crimes) with “hate crime” legislation strategically calculated to evolve (https://www.adl.org/education/resources/tools-and-strategies/confronting-hate-speech-online) into “hate speech” sh#t so as to stuff a gag into the goyim’s mouth.

While Jєωs make up 1.8% of the US population, as a class, (let’s call them the “monied class),” they make up 99.9% of what goes down as cultural norms.

With their propaganda apparatus in hand, (Jєωs own (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=1008) the media (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=1165)), the cultural norm in today’s Jєω-ruined America is extreme paranoia over offending some minority group.

This development creates an atmosphere of self-censorship in anticipation of the Jєω-owned press and courts charging the offender with “hate speech.”

Thus, especially with regard to “hate speech,” we should categorize Jєωs not only as the “monied class,” and the “propaganda-peddling class,” but also as the “offended class.”

I grew up as a Jєω and know firsthand that Jєωιѕн screeching about whites aggrieving blacks with racist rhetoric and bigotry is simply a cover.

Behind closed doors, Jєωs maintain a personal aloofness towards blacks calling them “shwartzas” and “shooks,” and deem it a disgrace for a Jєω to be so financially-challenged as to be forced to live in a black neighborhood.

Intermarriage between Jєωs and blacks is held as something contemptible by Jєωry and any association of Jєωs with blacks is strictly for utilitarian purposes.

Jєωs are no big friends of queers either, but only to save face for their own children turning to perversion and not continuing the family name, as well as to undermine the perpetuity of the white Christian family, its mores, and its potentiality as an anti-Jєω political bloc.



(http://www.trueorthodox.com/pictures/tripJєωup.jpg)



WHEN DEALING WITH JєωS and their goal of annihilating free speech, here’s a few pointers on how to trip them up:

1. Ask the Jєω, “What is the legal definition of hate speech?”

2. When he cannot answer, ask the Jєω, “Since there is no legal definition of hate speech, why do you think that only you and your shills have the right to define it?”

3. Now that the Jєω is on the defensive, ask him, “Since you and your shills have arrogated the right to define hate speech, why should I, not party to your cabal, obey you?”

THIS CUTS THROUGH THE VERY CORE of the issue, that is, who do we obey?

Jєωs with their hatred of free speech?

Or the founding fathers who bequeathed to us the legal right to speak our minds regardless of who it offends, especially Christ-killing JєωS.

But everything offends the Jєω if it doesn’t conform to his loyalty to Israel over America, to his programme of wiping out a White Christian political bloc, and his mania to dictate to Americans how they should think and talk.

Jєωs constantly whine about what they don’t like, what they want changed, and what leaders should be doing.

It’s time we told the Jєω, “Shut your mouth Jєω and don’t try to shut ours!”

http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=1275 (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=1275)

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See: Who Said: The Jєωs Are Our Misfortune? (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=717) Here (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=717)

ADL’S War On White America (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=634) Here (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=634)

The Killing Of Martin Luther King (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=1272) Here (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=1272)

ADL’S Hate Symbols In Reverse (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=1241) Here (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=1241)

Dress Rehearsal For The Antichrist (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=1274) Here (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=1274)

And: The Silent αnтι-ѕємιтє (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=1251) Here (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=1251)

And: Seeds Of America’s Collapse (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=1244) [BANNED by Jєωtoob] Here! (http://www.realJєωnews.com/?p=1244)










Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: alaric on March 10, 2018, 05:43:07 AM
What would you do if CathInfo.com started requiring your true Christian and Surname (first and last name) as a new condition for continued membership on the forum?

For purposes of this poll, let's assume that the first and last name you give would be displayed publicly next to each of your posts as an image (not text) so Google couldn't read it. It would be right below your username on each of your posts.

Furthermore, please assume that the HYPOTHETICAL new terms of service would require that you claim that the name you give is your true first and last name. You wouldn't be required to swear an oath, but you would be required to FORMALLY STATE that such is your true first and last name.


Free free to discuss as well. But please don't forget to vote in the poll!
I don't think that would be a good idea. Maybe for some, it wouldn't be as consequential than others, but there's a whole different dynamic for each individual posting on here, who do so for various reasons. The Internet becomes a game-changer everyday in many aspects of freedom of thought and speech. I can remember the free flow of thoughts and ideas years ago when I first became attuned to the incredible oppourtunity to the access of the vast information and networking of like-minded individuals. But now, (((they))) are using this very same access and information to destroy the lives of anyone of whom (((they))) disagree with or step out of line. You see this happening everyday, they are literally using people's own personal information out there to publicly humliate and destroy their lives the best they can within the confines of the Constitution, which, (((they))) really have no regard for to begin with, but only obey when the govt or ruling party enforces it.
I can go out, but in summary, while I do applaud  those using the real names (if that's really the case) for those who choose to do so, I think it could be disastrious for others for a variety of reasons. I would also be very suspect of a site that would demand it to being with. 
I think the site is perfect just the way it is, you're doing good things here Matthew, no need to mess with it now.
As the saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. IMO anyway.
Title: Re: If CathInfo.com began requiring true First and Last Names, I would...
Post by: Riddlsnthdrk on March 11, 2018, 11:26:06 PM
Well..obviously! Everyone would leave! Most of the forum is "anonymous" anyway...such a silly question!