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MaterDominici · « **Reply #30 on:** March 04, 2018, 08:54:19 PM »

My answer - I wouldn't "leave" ... I just wouldn't post.

ETA - I'd read whatever was still left of the ghost town.

Matthew · « **Reply #31 on:** March 04, 2018, 08:56:47 PM »

Quote from: MaterDominici on March 04, 2018, 08:51:47 PM

Matthew of all people should know what happens when (crazy) people who disagree with you also happen to have your full name and a tidbit or two to confirm who you are.

He's had someone attempt to get him fired and on the radar of every public official in our area. Fortunately, that person didn't know his last name. So, I can only presume those he contacted wrote him off as nuts.

Yes, there's a reason I disagree with Sean Johnson's position on this matter. I've experienced it first hand.

The crazy man actually did contact my main employer/client, as well as the local chamber of commerce in the nearest town, etc.

By his actions, I can conclude that if it had been within his power, he would have made me completely unemployed, and my entire family homeless. That would have made him happy. That is how much he hated me.

And we're talking about a so-called Traditional Catholic, even if a sedevacantist one. That is one of the most severe cases of obsessive hatred I have ever seen in Trad Catholic circles.
I asked myself: Is this what buying and selling baseball cards does to you?

Matthew · « **Reply #32 on:** March 04, 2018, 08:59:53 PM »

I don't want to say too much, it might interfere with the results. Just trust me, ok?

Fanny · « **Reply #33 on:** March 04, 2018, 09:05:08 PM »

Quote from: rum on March 04, 2018, 06:23:01 PM

I don't know that Sean Johnson is your real name. It would be helpful if you'd care to upload a pic of yourself with something recently dated and a pic of your driver's license.

Exactly.
How would Matthew know Jane Doe is not my real name?
Or what if I said I am fr. Chazal even if I am not?
The number of hits on cathinfo would decrease.

Matthew · « **Reply #34 on:** March 04, 2018, 09:06:07 PM »

Sean Johnson, a quick question --

Are you self-employed, or not?

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #35 on:** March 04, 2018, 09:08:21 PM »

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Also, I don't see any reason (even from the perspective of the Sean Johnsons of the world) to make that full name GOOGLE SEARCHABLE, or in plain text. What would be the point of that, except to give future employers a chance to easily discover, and then have a problem with, some of your political/world views?

There are ways to generate an image out of a piece of text, so computers can't read it but people can. I think I would probably use some kind of tool like that to display the first/last name data, if it ever came to that.

You and the site might be able to make my name unsearchable, but once a debate starts, and people re-type my name 1,000x, everything will be searchable. I often search for catholic articles on google and this site comes up a lot, because the things we discuss (tradition and history) aren't discussed with accuracy anywhere else.

I see no reason to provide my name. The main reason I come here is for news, to share news, to keep abreast of politics both church-wise and govt-wise. I think one should post their name if they are writing something formal - like a blog, a book, a website, etc. I think of this as an informal place, therefore my name is irrelevant. Besides, from a debating standpoint, if you knew me in real life, you might disregard my arguments, whereas if i'm unknown, you might be more open to the truth.

I see no way for anyone's name to be unsearchable, even if a login was required everytime and more security was added to this site. Security and privacy are illusions nowadays.

We live in a police state, let's face it. We also live in a country where the 1st amendment is under constant "back door" attacks from companies who use "PC culture" to curtail information and stop people from spreading info. The crackdown of alternative news is just starting on youtube, with many good channels having to stop posting the truth about parkland and any other controversial news story. Things are only going to get worse. There's no way I can post on topics of politics, zionism, conspiracy theories, etc without getting fired. The risk is just too high in our society.

Maybe I'm paranoid, but the fact that you, Matthew, were already taken to court over a site like this, proves my point that we've lost our true 'freedom of speech' already.

2Vermont · « **Reply #36 on:** March 04, 2018, 09:29:43 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on March 04, 2018, 08:56:47 PM

And we're talking about a so-called Traditional Catholic, even if a sedevacantist one.

Really Matthew? You had to include that?

Centroamerica · « **Reply #37 on:** March 04, 2018, 09:32:04 PM »

Pretty sure I've posted my full name, pictures of myself and links to my blog and translations bearing my name. Nothing to hide.

That said, giving your full name would put an end to detractions and build the integrity of Cath Info. People would actually be responsible for what they say, which is how it should be anyway.

Imagine on judgement day how all the sins of the damned are revealed to all mankind. And then think of how some wouldn't even sign their name to an online comment.

Fanny · « **Reply #38 on:** March 04, 2018, 09:51:16 PM »

Quote from: Centroamerica on March 04, 2018, 09:32:04 PM

Pretty sure I've posted my full name, pictures of myself and links to my blog and translations bearing my name. Nothing to hide.

That said, giving your full name would put an end to detractions and build the integrity of Cath Info. People would actually be responsible for what they say, which is how it should be anyway.

Imagine on judgement day how all the sins of the damned are revealed to all mankind. And then think of how some wouldn't even sign their name to an online comment.

And think of all those who may sign YOUR name to THEIR posts...

Matthew · « **Reply #39 on:** March 04, 2018, 10:00:45 PM »

CentroAmerica: What detractions? Links please.

You speak as if "detractions" are a given, or commonplace. Not from where I stand.

Detraction is taking away someone's good name by speaking the truth. I would only allow this if the common good required it, or if the matter is extremely public. For example, talking about Bishop Fellay's actions. Perhaps we didn't know about them before. The matter is true. We now have a lower opinion of Bishop Fellay. But that isn't detraction, for several reasons: the matter is public, and Bp. Fellay is an extremely public figure. But furthermore, we have a good justification, because important matters (the SSPX, availability of Mass, the traditional movement, the salvation of souls, the propagation of errors about possible resistance to Vatican II, etc.) are at stake. In other words, the public good requires it. In such a case, speaking up is actually MORE PERFECT than remaining silent about it!

PG · « **Reply #40 on:** March 04, 2018, 10:26:21 PM »

pax vobis - I thought about that, how if people type a persons name in a post, that would then make it show up in a google search. And, my thought is that we would have to have a pseudonym on top of our real name. And, real names would not be allowed to be posted, or we would be recommended to use ones pseudonym during discussion as a rule. Or we could just be encouraged in posts to only use first names, and if last name is used it has a mr. or ms. mrs. addressing them. It is a tough thing to avoid though. It makes it a bit complicated.

St Ignatius · « **Reply #41 on:** March 04, 2018, 11:01:21 PM »

As much as I respect the opinions of +W and Mr Johnson on the subject of anonymity, a friendly reminder to a particular interview in Sweden of +W back in November of 2008. I can't seem to find the interview in it's entirety on YouTube anymore, seems to have been scrubbed... so I'll try to recollect it the best I can. +W was asked about the h0Ɩ0h0αx and the bishop requested that this interview not be made public, because it could mean jail (part of the interview is on YouTube after the bishop makes this comment about possible repercussions.) The interviewer was referring to a conference given in Canada years earlier. To me it seemed that +W was being coerced to validate something he said in another country so that he could be held criminally accountable in Sweden.

So was +W wrong in his reluctance to own up publicly in Sweden to what he had said in a conference in Canada because of the possible consequences? Or, would it have been better for the bishop to have not commented at all? (Without denial of course)

Is it wise to, voluntarily, become a political prisoner? Doesn't seem prudent to me...

klasG4e · « **Reply #42 on:** March 04, 2018, 11:28:43 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on March 04, 2018, 06:02:14 PM

Seeing as it is Sunday...

Here are the reasons Bishop Williamson gives for posting in your own name (or not posting at all), beginning at 16:35

Until this time, I posted as "Seraphim."

The next day, I asked Matthew to attach my real name to all my posts.

As regards some of the reasons given for remaining anonymous (e.g., exposing yourself to harassment; etc), it is admittedly true.

But if you really believe what you are posting is the truth, then it seems to me that that is worth absorbing a bit of artillery for, and the willingness to do so would then be pleasing to God (the only thing that really matters).

There is a price to pay for being a public truth-teller (lost friendships, social alienation, seeing your name dragged through the mud by some of your opponents; etc.), but I should think myself very low if I were to compromise my integrity and not tell the truth for fear of those repercussions (or for fear of those repercussions, fail to attach my name to my own opinions).

Believe it or not, a District official once told me that he respected me for posting in my own name (while objecting to nearly everything I say).

No doubt, he found it convenient for tracking purposes.

But at the same time, all these years later, I have still not been banned from my SSPX chapel (i.e., to be respected by your adversary counts for something), for which I am grateful.

In any case, if Mossad hit squads were going to take me and Matthew out, they sure are taking their time.

Bishop Williamson nailed it: Either put your name to what you say, or don't say it at all.

Our Lord needs men willing to stand up against the rise of the tide.

Without that, not much is possible: God hates a coward.

As an afterthought, it occurs to me that all the writers I most respect attach their names to what they write.

With all due respect to His Lordship as well as to Sean Johnson, I don't think we are dealing here with a one size fits all issue. At the same time, I don't mean to imply that either Sean or the Bishop necessarily treat it as such since I simply don't know for sure if they do or not.

I think with some good reflection on the subject, a properly informed Catholic could discern that for some individuals the posting of their real names would be the right thing to do and depending on what they posted could even be a morally courageous thing to do. For others to post the very same thing could be an exercise not in candidness let alone moral courage, but rather an exercise in the temporal virtue's extreme of rashness or foolhardiness.

Some of us simply have more to consider than others as stakes on the line were we to post our true names, and not only our own lives, but the lives of those closest to us.

The history of Christianity is replete with examples of wise and holy individuals who hid their identities so they could carry out their good works while at the same time it is full of wise and holy individuals who acted openly, not disguising themselves. The former often acted so they could continue the holy battle on Earth while the latter often exposed themselves to persecution, dry and bloody, as a way of trying to imitate Christ.

Even in imitating Christ, however, we are reminded of the fact that he kept His divine identity hidden up to a point only to make it gradually more known as he came closer to the end of His life on Earth.

PG · « **Reply #43 on:** March 04, 2018, 11:42:42 PM »

Quote from: St Ignatius on March 04, 2018, 11:01:21 PM

So was +W wrong in his reluctance to own up publicly in Sweden to what he had said in a conference in Canada because of the possible consequences? Or, would it have been better for the bishop to have not commented at all? (Without denial of course)

Is it wise to, voluntarily, become a political prisoner? Doesn't seem prudent to me...

My opinion was that it was a mistake for him to take that interview/answer that question at all.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #44 on:** March 04, 2018, 11:46:20 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on March 04, 2018, 10:00:45 PM

What detractions? Links please.

Yeah man, my bad...I forgot that detractions never ever happen on the Internet or anonymous forums. Zero chance of that happening.
I meant in general...don't be so uppity about the forum, what do you have a bot that sends you emergency alerts when key words like "integrity" pop up? Take it easy.

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