Just so that everyone sees it I want to state here that I was absolutely wrong in my understanding of what is included in the dogma of the virginal conception of Christ.  I had stated that belief that Mary did not experience pain and the other natural effects of childbirth was no more than a pious opinion on the Bishop Mueller thread on the SSPX sub-forum.  Several people, especially Clint, provided ample docuмentation from irreproachably authoritative sources that this was not true.

If I and an infallible ecuмenical council disagree on a matter of dogma, I know who the chump is.